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10-18-2007, 02:29 PM
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Heck, if the Rangers never would have traded Ratelle and Park, I'd probably still be a Ranger fan. And once Espo got here, the Ranger traded Midleton for Hodge. That was the last straw for me.
Exactly why my father became an Islander fan...

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10-18-2007, 02:37 PM
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2) not making it to the 94 final!
Don't understand that one.

Am I missing something?

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10-18-2007, 02:44 PM
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Don't understand that one.

Am I missing something?
I think he means watching the game live at the Garden.

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10-18-2007, 02:49 PM
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The entire 1999 draft.
Yea, that's a good one too. Imagine if Brendl and Lundmark turned out to be a star RW and C combo.

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10-18-2007, 03:07 PM
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Don't understand that one.

Am I missing something?
i think he means he wasnt at the finals perosnally

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10-18-2007, 03:15 PM
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1)Trading Rick Middleton
2)Trading Zubov
3)Trading Ridley & Miller for Carpenter.
4)79 finals, not playing Fotiu to counter Langway.
5)JD's short career
6)Injuries - Cherneski, Blackburn
7)Mike Gartner not winning the cup with us in 94



I wont include draft stuff cause we'll be here all day, but Jessiman over Getzlaf & Parise when those two were on our radar, wow does that hurt now.
strong list. I wouldn't call Cherneski and Blackburns regrets but rather accidents. I don't recall JD's career... Letting Mess go to Vancouver was pretty bad and led to the Ranger's slippery slope of playoff droughts. $6M? What were they thinking? That was not insane to pay for him. Especially after the free agent debacle of 1999.

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10-18-2007, 03:16 PM
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The 99 draft was pretty crappy throughout. We picked a bad year to have two good picks.

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10-18-2007, 03:21 PM
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Exactly why my father became an Islander fan...
I know the Rangers went to the final with Expo, but I'm convinced that they would have won a cup if they kept those three guys and JD in net.

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10-18-2007, 03:23 PM
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1. Zubov & Nedved for Robitaille & Samuelsson: The worst trade of all time in my book. I absolutely loved Zubov, despite how shaky he was at times in the 94 SCF. Zubov is still to this day a top-pairing defenseman, and is the best powerplay quarterback in the league. He's even good in shootouts. Nedved is a waste of a life, but Zubie was the man. How do you trade a player that lead your team in regular season scoring 2 years afterwards? Nevermind winning the cup.

2. The 1996 Deadline Debacle - Ferraro, Norstrom, Lafayette & Laperriere for Churla, McSorley, Kurri, and Larouche: I honestly believe the Rangers could have went a lot deeper with Matty and Ray still on the team, and Laperriere would have given teams ****-fits in the playoffs.

3. Gartner not apart of the 94 Cup: That team could have won without Anderson, who was borderline useless, if you ask me. I'm sorry, but the only thing he was good for was a loose puck battle or two here and there. He lost his skating legs by then, and wasn't exactly the most helpful player in the world defensively. I know Gartner wasn't a defensive player either, but Gartner could have made that cup run a lot shorter by helping us put up more goals.

4. Not going over the top and offering it all for Sakic in 97. We should have went ALL-OUT and offered it all for him. If Smith was going to lowball Messier, he should have made sure he had Sakic aboard.

5. Cablevision taking over ownership of the Rangers. It was almost the death of this franchise.

6. The 2003 draft: Missing out on Parise and Getzlaf, only to draft "Huge Speciman" who has ended up being a Huge Bust. Great job, draft the kid just because he was a Ranger fan. I guess that's the way to repay season ticket holders?

7. Pavel Brendl not having a heart: Who knows what he could have been otherwise.

8. Not tanking during the dark days. The team never showed up anyway, should have tanked and got some draft picks.

9. Letting Matt Cullen go in favor of tools like Hossa, we're gonna feel his loss this year.

10. Tomas Kloucek's ACL injury. He had 2 match penalties for charging hits and knocking two players out right before he blew out his knee. After the knee injury, he just wasn't the same. Those match penalties really killed his game as well. One of the best open ice hitters I've ever seen.

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1) Leetch being traded.
I think we all loved Leetchie.

Honestly, if they were going to trade him, they should have traded him at the 01 deadline. We could have gotten A LOT in return for him at that point. He was contending for the Norris.

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3) I really would have liked to see what this team could have done if it kept Weight and Amonte.
Had a conversation about that a few years back with someone I used to be friends with. It's such a hypothetical that you really can't fully regret it, because who knows what would have happened. I thought the same thing for a little bit. Especially when Weight scored 100 points that year with having only Zdeno Ciger scoring 30 goals... and Amonte scoring 40 goals in Chicago with Zhamnov as his center.

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Still wish Checketts and ITT never sold the Rangers to those *******s.

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10-18-2007, 03:28 PM
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1)Trading Rick Middleton
2)Trading Zubov
3)Trading Ridley & Miller for Carpenter.
4)79 finals, not playing Fotiu to counter Langway.
5)JD's short career
6)Injuries - Cherneski, Blackburn
7)Mike Gartner not winning the cup with us in 94

1-2-3 and 6 surely fit into mine. The Middleton trade was the worst the Rangers ever made. Another deal would be the one that sent Norstrom away. As for 6 we could also add rushing Malhotra into the league and expecting too much out of him and rushing Kloucek back from injuries and not correcting obvious flaws in his defensive game. One other thing not sitting Mike Richter when we were all but mathematically eliminated after he got knocked silly in a warmup. Before the first period was done he'd been beaned twice by long center ice shots and had the head injuries that were to finish his career--all thanks to Ron Low.


I wont include draft stuff cause we'll be here all day, but Jessiman over Getzlaf & Parise when those two were on our radar, wow does that hurt now.

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10-18-2007, 03:34 PM
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not getting jagr before the caps

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10-18-2007, 04:17 PM
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strong list. I wouldn't call Cherneski and Blackburns regrets but rather accidents. I don't recall JD's career... Letting Mess go to Vancouver was pretty bad and led to the Ranger's slippery slope of playoff droughts. $6M? What were they thinking? That was not insane to pay for him. Especially after the free agent debacle of 1999.
Smith was thinking the Aves wouldnt have matched the Sakic offer sheet.

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10-18-2007, 04:23 PM
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this all time favourite players thing got me thinking. What are your biggest regrets in terms of players that could have and couldn't or didn't make it in BigApple

1) Joe Mullen and Brian Mullen together playing first line for us!
2) not making it to the 94 final!
3) Moose and Gretz being longer and more productively together as teammates
4) Mark Pavelich hanging them up so early
5) Hedberg and Nilsson not being a factor in the 79 final
6) Mathieu Schneider not remaining a Ranger
7) Leetch not finishing career as a life long Ranger
Yes, I must agree. I loved Schneider as a NYR and could'nt believe Starher chose Malakhov over MS, what an *******. I hope he is gone after the season, Sather that is.

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10-18-2007, 05:35 PM
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Yea, that's a good one too. Imagine if Brendl and Lundmark turned out to be a star RW and C combo.
Man I remember being so happy after that draft and then look what happened......Brendl and Lundmark were the only two players to ever step onto NHL ice....heck most of them never even saw AHL time....yikes that was a bad draft.

Brendl
Lundmark
David Inman
Johan Asplund
Patrick Aufiero
Garrett Bembridge
Jay Dardis
Arto Laatikainen
Evgeny Gusakov
Petter Henning
Alexi Bulatov

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10-18-2007, 07:01 PM
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4. Not going over the top and offering it all for Sakic in 97. We should have went ALL-OUT and offered it all for him. If Smith was going to lowball Messier, he should have made sure he had Sakic aboard.

That's exactly (almost verbatim) what I was going to post.

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10-18-2007, 07:46 PM
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We'll never know. It can still be a regret. I regret trading Gartner and they won the Cup.

For all we know, this team could have won two or three Cups with Amonte and Weight.
Wow, you guys win the Cup in arguably the greatest playoff run ever and you regret trading away Amonte and Weight?!

Even if you won two or three other Cups with those guys there is no way the Rangers win it in any better fashion than they did in '94.

The '94 playoffs had everything:

-The Great 7-Game Upset (San Jose over Detroit)
-The Underdog (Vancouver making it to the Finals)
-The Promise (If I have to explain that one to you then you're hopeless)
-Tons of OTs and close games.
-The Intensity (Before the NHL playoffs became domesticated, players would get pummeled w/no penalty called.) Now the playoffs have become a powerplay fest, where every hit has fans demanding a multi-game suspension.

I've been watching Hockey since the '89 - '90 season. '94 is still my favorite all time playoff year. Hockey was at an all-time high...only to be ruined a year later and the ushering of the Dead Puck Era.

I'm not even a Rangers fan. My god, comments like that are just pathetic. Peace.

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10-18-2007, 08:29 PM
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Giving up season tickets after the lockout.

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10-18-2007, 11:29 PM
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Coldshot, I love you.

4. Not going over the top and offering it all for Sakic in 97. We should have went ALL-OUT and offered it all for him. If Smith was going to lowball Messier, he should have made sure he had Sakic aboard.

That's exactly (almost verbatim) what I was going to post.
Haha, yeah.

We should have made sure we had him.

As much as I love LaFontaine and Gretzky, I would still rather have Sakic now.

By the way... are you the same Bretzky from HTR?

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10-18-2007, 11:54 PM
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Smith was thinking the Aves wouldnt have matched the Sakic offer sheet.
Smith was right...The Ave's got bailed out by FOX money by using a loan against there tv contract money...does anybody else remember this?

The Rangers were going to pay Sakic 15 million dollars in the first year..whoever thinks that Smith miscalculated the Sakic part of that summer aren't old enough to remember what 15 million dollars a year was worth 10 years ago...that would be a lot of money now for a hockey contract but in 1997 that was the ultimate poison pill..

If 15M frontloaded in 1997 isn't going over the top and going all out what the hell is?

Revisionist history strikes again....


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10-19-2007, 12:18 AM
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signing Gomez and Drury instead of Briere

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10-19-2007, 12:33 AM
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signing Gomez and Drury instead of Briere
Briere is a slouch defensively, and a diver.

He's not what this team needs.

Sure Philly may be doing good now, but once this team gets going, we'll be deadly.

Markov needs to be brought in though. Malik has to go.

Waive him, ASAP.

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Yes, I must agree. I loved Schneider as a NYR and could'nt believe Starher chose Malakhov over MS, what an *******. I hope he is gone after the season, Sather that is.
and signing ulanov and krapa

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10-19-2007, 06:26 AM
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Don't understand that one.

Am I missing something?
My name is London Ranger. My wife is born in Brooklyn.
We met in NYC, I was a ticket holder from 88/91.

The 94 final was in NY and I wasn't there. I should have been there!

We were trying to get pregnant at the time. Dec 13, 94 my son was born.
so I had a very valid excuse....but a regret none the less.


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