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03-21-2004, 09:22 PM
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Sutter suspended for 2, Oliwa 3

as per TSN
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=77386

Oliwa deserved it for throwing around the official, but personally i disagree with the Sutter suspension. I would say if anything it should only be one game

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How does Trotz get off scot free? Pathetic. I can understand the Oliwa suspension, but I don't agree with Sutter getting suspended. Trotz basically guarantees payback and the league does nothing.

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03-21-2004, 10:29 PM
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The officials better be getting hit in the wallet too. It was their fault this hole situation even happened.....

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They say officials are reprimanded and fined privately, which is a good idea but at least some acknowledgement from the league would be nice.

You can't argue with the oliwa suspenion but Sutter? Come on. Suspended for player selection? Ridiculous. If they're good enough to be on an nhl roster you can put a player on the ice whenever you want to.

Also, people said that Granato was at fault for putting Moore on the ice at the end of the game without a guy like Worrell to protect him, and I bet those same people are saying goons shouldn't be out on the ice that late. Come on people.

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The officials better be getting hit in the wallet too. It was their fault this hole situation even happened.....
agreed.

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03-22-2004, 11:28 AM
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They say officials are reprimanded and fined privately, which is a good idea but at least some acknowledgement from the league would be nice.

You can't argue with the oliwa suspenion but Sutter? Come on. Suspended for player selection? Ridiculous. If they're good enough to be on an nhl roster you can put a player on the ice whenever you want to.

Also, people said that Granato was at fault for putting Moore on the ice at the end of the game without a guy like Worrell to protect him, and I bet those same people are saying goons shouldn't be out on the ice that late. Come on people.
Theres no need to put those players out with 3 seconds left. Yes, you can put players on the ice whenever you want, but those players werenít out there to play hockey. If they're good enough to be on an nhl roster, they should play hockey and fight when they are required to (to boost the emotion of the team), not when the game is over.

Oliwa should have been given a 2 minute delay-of-game penalty when he didnít line up for the faceoff. He was obviously looking for trouble. The ref should have just kicked him out of the game and maybe none of this would have happened.

Both teams are lucky their starting goalie didnít break a hand or anything. Very stupid move to fight so close to the playoffs. It proved nothing and risked the entire playoffs.

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03-22-2004, 01:01 PM
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Theres no need to put those players out with 3 seconds left. Yes, you can put players on the ice whenever you want, but those players werenít out there to play hockey. If they're good enough to be on an nhl roster, they should play hockey and fight when they are required to (to boost the emotion of the team), not when the game is over.
What's all this talk about playerS with a plural? Are you trying to say Warrener, Regehr and Commodore shouldn't be on the ice in the last part of the game? Those players aren't out there to play hockey?

Oliwa was the only goon/fighter/enforcer out there.

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What's all this talk about playerS with a plural? Are you trying to say Warrener, Regehr and Commodore shouldn't be on the ice in the last part of the game? Those players aren't out there to play hockey?

Oliwa was the only goon/fighter/enforcer out there.
Regehr - 6'3", 230
Commodore - 6'4", 230
Warrener - 6'2", 215
Oliwa - 6'5", 240

Including Simon and Gautier, those are 4 of the 6 biggest players on the Flames. Does Sutter usually ice 3 dmen? Was he afriad of letting in another goal with 3 seconds left?

So ya, playerS with a plural. The league saw that and gave a suspension.

I still think that if a player is causing trouble before the face-off, he should be given a penalty just to get him off the ice. Oliwa was obviously looking for a fight. If the refs dont want anything to happen, get the guy off the ice. Refs have to be more pro-active. But first of all, Sutter has to be smarter than that.

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03-22-2004, 06:25 PM
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So Sutter was suspended for player selection and failing to control his team. Fair enough.

Trotz, sent Tootoo out for those final three seconds (player selection), only to pull him back off, after which Tootoo started taunting the Flames from the safety of his own bench (failure to control the team) After the brawl began, Oliwa was suckerpunched, as per Craig Conroy (failure to control the team), and the night ended with Trotz basically threatening revenge.

Uh-huh. Very consistant Cambpell.

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So Sutter was suspended for player selection and failing to control his team. Fair enough.

Trotz, sent Tootoo out for those final three seconds (player selection), only to pull him back off, after which Tootoo started taunting the Flames from the safety of his own bench (failure to control the team) After the brawl began, Oliwa was suckerpunched, as per Craig Conroy (failure to control the team), and the night ended with Trotz basically threatening revenge.

Uh-huh. Very consistant Cambpell.
Didn't quite see the Oliwa incident, but Sutter has really gotta use his head with the players he puts out. Big mistake.

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Didn't quite see the Oliwa incident, but Sutter has really gotta use his head with the players he puts out. Big mistake.
Trotz put Tootoo out. Thats the only reason why Oliwa went on at all. Isnt it a tad hypocritical to be criticizing one coach for that, while ignoring the other coach who did the same thing?

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Trotz put Tootoo out. Thats the only reason why Oliwa went on at all. Isnt it a tad hypocritical to be criticizing one coach for that, while ignoring the other coach who did the same thing?
Geez...Tootoo is what...5'6"? Tootoo, while irritating, isn't a goon. Oliwa is.

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Trotz put Tootoo out. Thats the only reason why Oliwa went on at all. Isnt it a tad hypocritical to be criticizing one coach for that, while ignoring the other coach who did the same thing?
Your playoff run won't last long if 3 seconds of Tootoo is too intimidating to handle without a goon on the ice.

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Geez...Tootoo is what...5'6"? Tootoo, while irritating, isn't a goon. Oliwa is.
Tootoo is 5'9. What's your point? Domi is 5'10. Height doesn't make you a goon

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Trotz put Tootoo out. Thats the only reason why Oliwa went on at all. Isnt it a tad hypocritical to be criticizing one coach for that, while ignoring the other coach who did the same thing?

Tootoo was back on the bench atleast a minute before the face off. Sutter could have easily taken Oliwa off

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Tootoo is 5'9. What's your point? Domi is 5'10. Height doesn't make you a goon
Tootoo weighs 185 to 190 lbs, Domi weighs somewhere in the neighberhood of 220 lbs

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Tootoo weighs 185 to 190 lbs, Domi weighs somewhere in the neighberhood of 220 lbs
I will guarentee he didn't in his early 20's, he was closer to 200.
I'm not saying Tootoo is as tough as Domi, but alot of people are trying to make it like he's not able to defend himself. Give me a break, look how he did against Iggy.
If he wants to play tough, he has to be prepared for the big guys.
Fans of other teams have been saying all year "some one will give it to Tootoo", and Nashville fans have been saying "it hasn't happened yet..." Well now I can see why.


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Tootoo was back on the bench atleast a minute before the face off. Sutter could have easily taken Oliwa off
You still are not addressing why he was put out there in the first place. Trotz wanted to start crap. Sutter finished it.

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Sutter finished it.
No, the nhl finished it.

The Flames better be careful they dont gain a reputation. Having a big tough team is fine and all, but calls tend to go against teams that goon up. Back when Vancouver had Brashear, Huscroft & Ojick, they were a big tough team, and also the highest penalized team in the nhl. Calgary better be careful of this.

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Geez...Tootoo is what...5'6"? Tootoo, while irritating, isn't a goon. Oliwa is.
Irrelevent. Tootoo is not a guy you send out to do anything but stir trouble. He has no other NHL worthy talent.

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No, the nhl finished it.

The Flames better be careful they dont gain a reputation. Having a big tough team is fine and all, but calls tend to go against teams that goon up. Back when Vancouver had Brashear, Huscroft & Ojick, they were a big tough team, and also the highest penalized team in the nhl. Calgary better be careful of this.
Obviously you dont watch the Flames much. Calgary never got the calls in the first place. Starting a brawl against one of the dirtiest teams in the league wont change this.

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Yeah Calgary really needs to stop getting suspended hahahaha!!

But whoever said that Calgary should stop this behaviour before they get a reputation they dont' want and can't shed. In the playoffs this type of reputation could cost the team in terms of calls going against them, and the opposition getting the benefit of the doubt.

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Wonder if anybody floated the idea of parking Al MacNeil back behind the behind during Sutter's suspension? An argument could be made that the turnaround has roots in his time as interim coach.

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I agree. Also while awaiting the face off when Oliwa was skating around trying to find a partner to fight, the refs should have given him a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct or delay of game etc etc. Problem solved.

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I agree. Also while awaiting the face off when Oliwa was skating around trying to find a partner to fight, the refs should have given him a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct or delay of game etc etc. Problem solved.
I dont buy that logic either. Oliwa lined up across Hartnell, offered a fight, was declined, and was told by the linesman to move on, so he did.

He then lined up across Hall, and awaited the faceoff.

I'm not sure what he did to delay the game, or that was unsportsmanlike.

If anything, the Flames as a team should have gotten a bench minor for taking so long to send someone to the penalty box.

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