Messier torn again

[Edge]

Originally Posted by jas

Personally, I'd like to express my gratitude for both of you posting here. To be honest, I truly look forward to both of your posts, because you both offer a glimpse into a world I'm not privy. Edge, I especially appreciate your presence because you have corresponded with me in the past about certain players and questions I've had about the Rangers. For most of us, this is place where we get the opportunity to vent our frustration about this cursed organization that has embedded itself inside of our very souls. For people like yourselves who have such information, it must kill you sometimes. I know that when I have even the correct information about something that happened, such as a trade or some game from the past, it frustrates me to no end to watch people present incorrect information. I love knowing that Sather went scouting in Clagary and came away impressed with certain players. I want to know exactly what the mindset reagrding this franchise is. As for Mark Messier, my respect and appreciation for the man will always remain strong. He, along with Neil Smith, are the two key figures of why I have become such a passionate Ranger fan. My only hope is that if Mess does decide to retire, please let us know soon, so we as Ranger fans can give him the send off he truly deserves.

i apprciate that and as i explained to TB, sometimes its not that i dont want to say something. its that i cant.

like for example with the colorado avs. i know for a fact that there is tension there between Granato and Tocchet and i've heard things here and there. But a lot of times unless i am there or it comes from two people, i really cant quote something that comes from a single person. a lot of leaks are put out there to see who spreads them.

usually if i hear from two sources {unless i really know the person or isnt a big deal} i have to wait before saying anything.

i try to answer as best i can when i can. sometimes that isnt always doable.

[Park #2]

Originally Posted by Edge

like for example with the colorado avs. i know for a fact that there is tension there between Granato and Tocchet and i've heard things here and there. But a lot of times unless i am there or it comes from two people, i really cant quote something that comes from a single person. a lot of leaks are put out there to see who spreads them.

usually if i hear from two sources {unless i really know the person or isnt a big deal} i have to wait before saying anything.

i try to answer as best i can when i can. sometimes that isnt always doable.

This is a very good point. An example that I could throw out is that I know that Bobby Clarke and Ken Hitchcock hate each other.... They are not getting along and in the opinion of several folks, Hitch will be fired if they don't make it to the Semis.
(I don't know how long BC can stick there, but he is the favored son).

An example of the thought process was on deadline day - I had to refrain posting certain things and consider all sources - and mix and interchange information as not to even come close to leaving a trace as to where it was coming from.

[Park #2]

Originally Posted by jas

Personally, I'd like to express my gratitude for both of you posting here. To be honest, I truly look forward to both of your posts, because you both offer a glimpse into a world I'm not privy. Edge, I especially appreciate your presence because you have corresponded with me in the past about certain players and questions I've had about the Rangers. For most of us, this is place where we get the opportunity to vent our frustration about this cursed organization that has embedded itself inside of our very souls. For people like yourselves who have such information, it must kill you sometimes. I know that when I have even the correct information about something that happened, such as a trade or some game from the past, it frustrates me to no end to watch people present incorrect information. I love knowing that Sather went scouting in Clagary and came away impressed with certain players. I want to know exactly what the mindset reagrding this franchise is. As for Mark Messier, my respect and appreciation for the man will always remain strong. He, along with Neil Smith, are the two key figures of why I have become such a passionate Ranger fan. My only hope is that if Mess does decide to retire, please let us know soon, so we as Ranger fans can give him the send off he truly deserves.

Much appreciated.... That's a big reason why I enjoy posting here, is because I know some appreciate it.

Lots of Neil Smith references today....

[BigE]

Averaging 16:30 a night isn't exactly 4th line. He was good on the PK but received too much PP time. I would have liked to have seen him play 10-12 minutes but as we all know that isn't going to happen under Sather's regime.

What do we as fans want? Messier taking six minutes of ice from another player that needs it to develop or Messier playing, no matter the ice-time he's bound to get, just because we like to see the old fart out there.

He's still a tough ol' *******, I'll give him that.

[Edge]

but unfortunatly the team didnt even have a justification for giving him less.

Nedved and Lundmark sleep walked and Lindros got hurt....again.

messiers icetime is very much linked to this inability to have another center that steps up.

you know it says something when a guy scores 15 goals with us and we talk about him having a good season {Rucinsky}.

i dont think messier is perfect by any means, but i really dont see anyone even making it a challange as to why he shouldnt be out there except Holik, who is getting more icetime anyway.

[True Blue]

Originally Posted by Park #2

Much appreciated.... That's a big reason why I enjoy posting here, is because I know some appreciate it.

It's not that I don't appreciate it....I do. But not knowing that you are speaking with an informed opinion, I can only surmise that you are speaking on what you beleive is right. Now that I am in the know about the fact that there are times (few and far between mind you ) that you will just know more factual information about a subject that I can only make educated guesses about, that will certainly make me understand your stances a little better. Hopefully that just came across the right way.

[L.I.RangerFan]

Originally Posted by Park #2

Much appreciated.... That's a big reason why I enjoy posting here, is because I know some appreciate it.

Lots of Neil Smith references today....

What you do post, is much appreciated. You and Edge bring alot to the table and it is understood that, at times, you can not divulge information for fear of being discovered. I don't want either of you to get jammed up, just to give us info.

Park #2 - Sometimes and I stated this in another post, emotion and tone are impossible to put in the written word. Emoticons, while handy at times, don't always convey the message.

Please take this constructively but there are times when your written words come out as condesending. I am assuming from your posts, that this is totally unintentional. Unlike Edge, who has been around for as long as I can remember, you started posting around the trade deadline. I have had years to get used to Edge's style of writing, sense of humor, sarcasm etc. But your style of writing, sense of humor, sarcasm are new to me. It will take awhile to get used to it. This is not to put you down by any means, you are extremely informative and I have enjoyed the majority of your posts. But there are times, like when you rip apart someones post section by section, and teach them the error of their ways, that you are coming across as condensending.

If I have insulted you in any way, shape or form, please accept my sincerest apologies. You are a great NEW addition to the board who appears to have an inside look at a world most of us see only on TV. There will be times that we will agree to disagree but that means we each have our own informed opinion. It is nothing personal.

By the way back to the topic at hand. IMHO Mark Messier is one of the greatest sports captains in the history of all sports. The way he leads sets examples for future sports captains. But it is time for him to retire gracefully, enjoy the accolades and raise his son. Turn the captaincy over to a young blood, who also bleeds Ranger Blue, to lead the team back to respectibility. Stay around the team, in some form, as maybe a consultant, because even retired he has alot to offer. Keep the lines of communication open with the new captain, who can lean on him when necessary. It is like raising a child, eventually you have to let them out on their own, to learn and grow.

Announce your retirement in the next couple of days. Give the fans a chance to honor you before you actually retire. Lets us, the fans, watch you skate for the last time in a real game, to cheer your accomplishments and what you gave the Rangers.