the kings next year: player by player

[punchy1]

Originally Posted by Frolov

Now I didin't read your whole post and I'm sure you had valid points but letting go of a coach that's a top 3 canidate for the Coach of the Year is a very bad PR move. Anyways, he did sign an extension so he's not going anywhere.

That is a big part of the reason to move him along. He has proven that he cannot or will not coach a team that has anything more than his robots on it. He WAS a candidate for coach of the year and when did he drop off of those lists?

Right when we got healthy.

What does Andy do in response to our losing streak? BENCH FROLOV. The leading goal scorer for our team and also, our team leading plus minus player.

Why does he do it? "He hasn't given us the amount of energy in his game when we need him the most". Who's fault is that? ANDY MURRAYS!

In the three games that Andy has decided that "Frolov hasn't given" him the type of energy that he wanted, ANDY had paired him with two totally different line mates then he has played with before.

In other words, Hey Second Year Scoring/+/- leader, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY to carry your line and make the pile of scat Carter and Belanger top players.

Andy is a disgrace in his poor asset management skills and in this one in particular.

He is in essence blaming Frolov for the poor play of Anson Carter/Martin Straka and Eric Belanger but only benching him and Straka when our two worst forward during this stretch have been Belanger and Carter.

During the past ten games, Belanger and Carter are 1 and 2 on our team in - on the plus minus stat and have played dead awful but, has "accountability Andy" benched either of them? NO. Instead he takes a hard working productive SECOND YEAR 21 one year old player, who has done EVERYTHING and MORE that has been asked of him, and not only benches him but, SLAMS HIM IN THE PAPERS as well.


SHAME ON YOU ANDY MURRAY.

Accountability Andy has simply just dropped several notches in my estimate. His slamming and benching of certain players (all euros by the by) for not producing, when they are producing and giving more then allot of the players he has decided to reward with ice time, for "not giving enough" and for at times publicly critisizing the team is so bloody hypocritical and wrong that it truly sickens me.

He has AGAIN failed to lead us to the playoffs or the finals and while you can find several excuses as why, in the end, he has had more games than any coach in the history of the team to accomplish something that others have done more than, with less.

The most troubling thing to me about accountability andy though, is that with his benching of Frolov in particular, as well as critisizing him in the press, it shows me that if a player who gives his bloody all and has accomplished 3rd (some would argue second behind Spezza) most amoung his draft mates as well as be our best two way forward that if HE isn't "good enough" then how in the bloody hell will ANY of our lads be so in the next couple of years?

I mean, will accountability andy be able to use his assets any better when he is forced to have to play our other youngsters? I am starting to see a few patterns with him that makes me think not. ESPECIALLY if they are european and forwards.

I have always thought that "andy hates european players" stuff rubbish but, I am starting to wonder.

I mean, how else can you explain his latest rubbish scat decision making mistakes?

Anson Carter has not only been unable to produce anything for us with the exception of a truly astonishingly poor minus stat, he has also floated more then a Sunday Moringing Dump. Yet, Frolov sits for lack of effort?

Eric Belagner has been our worst forward (though you could argue Carter has) and yet, Accountability Andy rewards his poor play, point production and plus minus with TOP SIX ICE TIME.


Andy Murray has lost control of his team and it is likely due to decisions like the ones he has made over the past fifteen games.

I am truly saddened and astonished by his latest ridiculous decisions and have ZERO faith in him as a coach.

We can go on and tie the struggling Avs tonight or even steal a win. They know they are in the playoffs and are going to rest at least one of their top players tonight so, we could steal a point or two but, in the end, he has showed us what he is capable of when given the tools to produce.

Fire Andy Murray, it is time in my opinion.

[Venom_17]

Yes, I agree COMPLETELY. AM needs to go. I don't care how you slice it, our injuries are at least due in some part to his style of coaching. Let's get Quenneville in here.

[swinginutter*]

Originally Posted by punchy1

That is a big part of the reason to move him along. He has proven that he cannot or will not coach a team that has anything more than his robots on it. He WAS a candidate for coach of the year and when did he drop off of those lists?

Right when we got healthy.

What does Andy do in response to our losing streak? BENCH FROLOV. The leading goal scorer for our team and also, our team leading plus minus player.

Why does he do it? "He hasn't given us the amount of energy in his game when we need him the most". Who's fault is that? ANDY MURRAYS!

In the three games that Andy has decided that "Frolov hasn't given" him the type of energy that he wanted, ANDY had paired him with two totally different line mates then he has played with before.

In other words, Hey Second Year Scoring/+/- leader, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY to carry your line and make the pile of scat Carter and Belanger top players.

Andy is a disgrace in his poor asset management skills and in this one in particular.

He is in essence blaming Frolov for the poor play of Anson Carter/Martin Straka and Eric Belanger but only benching him and Straka when our two worst forward during this stretch have been Belanger and Carter.

During the past ten games, Belanger and Carter are 1 and 2 on our team in - on the plus minus stat and have played dead awful but, has "accountability Andy" benched either of them? NO. Instead he takes a hard working productive SECOND YEAR 21 one year old player, who has done EVERYTHING and MORE that has been asked of him, and not only benches him but, SLAMS HIM IN THE PAPERS as well.


SHAME ON YOU ANDY MURRAY.

Accountability Andy has simply just dropped several notches in my estimate. His slamming and benching of certain players (all euros by the by) for not producing, when they are producing and giving more then allot of the players he has decided to reward with ice time, for "not giving enough" and for at times publicly critisizing the team is so bloody hypocritical and wrong that it truly sickens me.

He has AGAIN failed to lead us to the playoffs or the finals and while you can find several excuses as why, in the end, he has had more games than any coach in the history of the team to accomplish something that others have done more than, with less.

The most troubling thing to me about accountability andy though, is that with his benching of Frolov in particular, as well as critisizing him in the press, it shows me that if a player who gives his bloody all and has accomplished 3rd (some would argue second behind Spezza) most amoung his draft mates as well as be our best two way forward that if HE isn't "good enough" then how in the bloody hell will ANY of our lads be so in the next couple of years?

I mean, will accountability andy be able to use his assets any better when he is forced to have to play our other youngsters? I am starting to see a few patterns with him that makes me think not. ESPECIALLY if they are european and forwards.

I have always thought that "andy hates european players" stuff rubbish but, I am starting to wonder.

I mean, how else can you explain his latest rubbish scat decision making mistakes?

Anson Carter has not only been unable to produce anything for us with the exception of a truly astonishingly poor minus stat, he has also floated more then a Sunday Moringing Dump. Yet, Frolov sits for lack of effort?

Eric Belagner has been our worst forward (though you could argue Carter has) and yet, Accountability Andy rewards his poor play, point production and plus minus with TOP SIX ICE TIME.


Andy Murray has lost control of his team and it is likely due to decisions like the ones he has made over the past fifteen games.

I am truly saddened and astonished by his latest ridiculous decisions and have ZERO faith in him as a coach.

We can go on and tie the struggling Avs tonight or even steal a win. They know they are in the playoffs and are going to rest at least one of their top players tonight so, we could steal a point or two but, in the end, he has showed us what he is capable of when given the tools to produce.

Fire Andy Murray, it is time in my opinion.

Both of your posts hit it spot on, and I feel exactly the same. Funny thing is AM and his whole crew were just awarded contract extensions. Right before our sh*tty slump! We're scr*wed!

[LinkGtz23]

Bottomline, I knew this team was going nowhere the moment Palffy was announced done for the season. Not to dwell on excuses, but virtually no team in the league could withstand it's three top offensive threats on the shelf for the better part of an entire season (not to mention assorted other injuries). That they held together given their talent and experience level for as long as they did says alot positive about Murray and the organization as a whole.

One plus for this season is that several youngsters: Frolov, Avery, Pirnes, Cammalleri, Barney, Gleason, Zizka and to a lesser degree Grebeshkov and (arguably) Brown, either elevated their game, or at the very least got some valuable NHL seasoning that will pay off down the road.

Now on to next season:

I'm of the strong belief that a successful team has to have a blend of D-men that includes first and foremost- experience. Usually players at this position don't begin to hit stride until at least age 25, most not for several years beyond that. Consider how many standouts (on elite teams) continue to excel well into their mid/late 30's, ex. Stevens, Chelios, Lidstrom. It's unrealistic to expect players such as Rome, Petiot and Grebs to contribute night-in-night-out at the NHL level by next season.

Keepers
Norstrom- considering his style of play has 4-5 solid years left
Miller- injuries have killed his season, came back too soon early on yet began showing some signs of re-emerging as the top-flight physical defensive D-man he is known to be
Visnovsky- a fine talent, hitting that late-20's prime, still has upside
Dempsey- one of the few Kings who seems to know what he's doing out on the PP, his +/- is distorted by 60 gms on a terrible Chi team, more than satisfactory in his role
Gleason- I know I'm in the minority here, but thought he was used pretty well this season, some nights on the ice proved he clearly wasn't NHL ready, a bluechipper though with great upside who will consistently contribute in a regular role next season
Upgrade- would like to see one rugged, versatile and experienced player added here

Depth
Holland- would make for an excellent 7th D-man roster player, he's no Bobby Orr, but has been steady when called upon and done everything asked of him
Zizka- again in the minority, but he showed marked improvement in a short time on the big club, acceptable as a call-up option

On the Outs:
Modry- clearly on the downside? I think so
Corvo- for some reason I just don't care for his game, at his age and experience level should be further long, inconsistant and prone to mistakes, the pieces just don't seem to come together as a whole, that said may have some market value

Well, that's it for tonight, forwards and goaltenders for another time

[agentfouser]

joe corvo -

obviously, he has some kinks to work out in his game, but i say he's a keeper. he skates well, is good at the point, has started to be more physical, and, honestly, i think that if he can just simplify his defensive game and be a little more responsible, he could be a very decent 4-5 guy. he'll never win the norris trophy, but more often than not he gets the job done, and i think he's going to continue to improve defensively. we saw him get torched a lot this season, but let's not forget, he was logging top-pairing minutes there for awhile with less than 100 games in the nhl. he's learning, and he's made the same mistakes that gleason and grebeshkov are going to make (a bit more perhaps), but, bottom line, he has a job for the kings next year, and he is very capable of keeping it.

oh, and he doesn't get hurt. AND he's the duck slayer. what else could you want?