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11-20-2007, 12:16 PM
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I think that its best overall for Mason to get his confidence back up. Ellis has played great so far and again, that gives us another luxury. We now know that we can go with Ellis if Mason is hurt or not in full form.

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11-23-2007, 02:06 PM
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Is Ellis injuried? Is he going to be back soon?

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11-23-2007, 02:31 PM
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He's not injured he's just the back-up.

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11-23-2007, 03:35 PM
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I think Nashville now has a option to trade one of ther goalies for a forward or a defenseman. Mason is a solid goalie, and so is Ellis. You can't keep both when one of them becomes free agent. Trade one of them and get something from it.

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11-23-2007, 03:44 PM
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I think Nashville now has a option to trade one of ther goalies for a forward or a defenseman. Mason is a solid goalie, and so is Ellis. You can't keep both when one of them becomes free agent. Trade one of them and get something from it.
Couldn't disagree more.

To have a backup that the team trusts is invaluable.....also what is Ellis going to get for a goalie who has 8 NHL games with no pedigree?

Also Mason isn't going anywhere.

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11-23-2007, 04:25 PM
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Couldn't disagree more.

To have a backup that the team trusts is invaluable.....also what is Ellis going to get for a goalie who has 8 NHL games with no pedigree?

Also Mason isn't going anywhere.
Even if he has to be a backup, and some other team that is in desperate need of goalie offers him more money than what Nashville pays him now?

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11-23-2007, 11:26 PM
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Even if he has to be a backup, and some other team that is in desperate need of goalie offers him more money than what Nashville pays him now?
If your speaking about Ellis....his contract ends this year. Pekka Rinne has already signed for a one way contract only next year...so either Pekka will be traded or Ellis will be allowed to walk.

Even if they are planning to allow Ellis to walk, he wouldn't fetch anything of value to trade now. In other words, he is much more valuable to this team as a trusted backup by his teamates than anything he could fetch on the trade market with his very limited resume and lack of pedigree.

If you are talking about Mason, then you have no idea how NHL contracts work or you didn't know his is signed with us through 2010.

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11-24-2007, 12:57 PM
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Ellis has arguably less value than the two PHX goalies (auld + aebischer) recently waived; there's nothing to be gotten in a trade.

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11-24-2007, 02:11 PM
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If your speaking about Ellis....his contract ends this year. Pekka Rinne has already signed for a one way contract only next year...so either Pekka will be traded or Ellis will be allowed to walk.

Even if they are planning to allow Ellis to walk, he wouldn't fetch anything of value to trade now. In other words, he is much more valuable to this team as a trusted backup by his teamates than anything he could fetch on the trade market with his very limited resume and lack of pedigree.

If you are talking about Mason, then you have no idea how NHL contracts work or you didn't know his is signed with us through 2010.
He signed through 2010? Interesting.

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Mason is 7-9-2...3.15 GAA, .894 SP%

Ellis is 6-0-0... 2.00 GAA, .929 SP%

Mason seems like nothing like he was last year, he has let is some awful softies at times.

Well I think Trotzy is handling it well, and glad he had a quick hook on Mase... I am wondering if Ellis should get more starts....

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12-02-2007, 01:31 PM
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Mason is 7-9-2...3.15 GAA, .894 SP%

Ellis is 6-0-0... 2.00 GAA, .929 SP%

Mason seems like nothing like he was last year, he has let is some awful softies at times.

Well I think Trotzy is handling it well, and glad he had a quick hook on Mase... I am wondering if Ellis should get more starts....

Trotz said after the game that both Mason and Ellis were sick. This may have explained some of Mason's lack of focus this game....he haas been pretty good over the last 10 in a row prior to last night.

Kudos to Ellis for coming in during less than ideal circumstances and hanging in there to allow us to get the win. I think Trotz is gaining alot more confidence in Ellis, and he certainly has the confidence of the team.

The question now is....who starts in Toronto on Tuesday night........

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12-26-2007, 05:03 PM
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*warning, statistically oriented, highly technical, long post, not for everybody*

some goalie numbers..

even strength;
mason.. .899 save percentage, 3.00 gaa
ellis...... .930 save percentage, 1.91 gaa

on the penalty kill;
mason.. .871 save percentage, 5.41 gaa
ellis...... .890 save percentage, 5.13 gaa

of course, there continues to be an ongoing argument that ellis has in general gotten better defensive play in front of him.. unfortunately that kind of argument tends to be a totally subjective based on 'feelings and observations', a very difficult thing to quantify statistically.. but let me add a couple of things here that might shed some light on those assumptions (or not)

1)even strength, mason has faced an average of 29.6 shots per 60 minutes of even strength time played (455 shots in 923 even strength minutes). while ellis has faced an average of 27.5 shots per 60 minutes of even strength played (230 shots in 502 even strength minutes)..

so on average mason has faced 2.1 shots more per 60 minutes than ellis at even strength.

2)on the penalty kill, mason has faced an average of 41.8 shots per 60 minutes of penalty kill time (85 shots in 122 minutes). ellis though has faced 47.5 shots per 60 minutes of penalty kill time (55 shots in 70 minutes).

so on average ellis has had to face 5.7 shots more per 60 minutes on the penalty kill.

3)therefore, overall per 60 minutes of total icetime, mason has faced 28.4 shots against, while ellis has faced 29.7 shots against.

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while of course raw number of shots faced might tell you a little about how well a team has played in front of two different goalies, of course these numbers don't tell you the QUALITY of shots faced, which is the true key to how effective a defense is in front of a goalie compared to another goalie.

i do however keep up with an interesting site that tries to provide a little better insight to this. as most know, every single shot on net is listed on nhl.com. each includes a distance from the net. there is a site that inputs every single shot distance into a computer and uses that to try to determine from how far out a shot is taken to attempt to measure where shots and goals are taken from. in general, the closer a shot the better % chance it has of going in (logically). therefore, the farther out the shot, and in general the better the defense is being played in front of a goalie.

of course, this doesn't truly measure the difficulties of things like wraparounds, and screened shots from the point or deflections. nor does it differentiate a 25 foot shot from the middle of the slot (high probability) from a 25 foot shot from a tough angle along the boards (low probability). but in general, statistically these things sort of tend to even themselves out. this site has found that there is a direct correlation to distance that a shot was taken from to the percentage of made shots (not surprisingly). in other words, a shot from 20 feet has a higher percentage of made shots than from 23 feet around the league in all games.

if you take these numbers league wide from every shot attempted this year, and then see them applied to where every shot has come against mason and ellis, you come up with an "expected" save percentage and goals allowed based on the probability of these shots going in. that way you can sort of see which goalie is getting the "best" defensive support, when comparing the two.

even strength, based on where all recorded shots against our goalies have come from, using the leaguewide average, you come up with this;

mason "should" have a save percentage of .908 even strength (actual .899). while ellis "should" have a save percentage of .920 (actual .930)... what this shows, is that mason has faced more shots in close and therefore more dangerous than ellis even strength.

on the penalty kill mason "should" have a save percentage of .882 (actual .871). while ellis "should" have a save percentage of .873 (actual .890). so on the pk, ellis has actually faced slightly closer in shots.

of course, these numbers sort of confirm what i think we've witnessed in many ways. that mason overall has faced slightly tougher shots than ellis, but that ellis has outperformed expectations, and mason has underperformed.

anyway, just something i found interesting.

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