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03-31-2004, 11:41 PM
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Goalie Rankings by Winning %

Goalies who have played at least 50 games:

1. Belfour -56.14%
2. Cloutier -52.63%
3. Khabibulin -51.85%, Raycroft -51.85%
5. Biron -50.98%
6. Nabokov -50.87%
7. Aebischer -50.82
8. Brodeur -50.68%
9. Turco -50.00%
10. Theodore -49.23%

Pretty interesting list. One guy kinda stands out to me , besides Belfour who is clearly ahead of the pack.

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03-31-2004, 11:48 PM
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Goalies who have played at least 50 games:

1. Belfour -56.14%
2. Cloutier -52.63%
3. Khabibulin -51.85%, Raycroft -51.85%
5. Biron -50.98%
6. Nabokov -50.87%
7. Aebischer -50.82
8. Brodeur -50.68%
9. Turco -50.00%
10. Theodore -49.23%

Pretty interesting list. One guy kinda stands out to me , besides Belfour who is clearly ahead of the pack.
Interesting you limited it to 50 games.

Miikka Kiprusoff 61.11%

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03-31-2004, 11:53 PM
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Cloutier is now at 53.45% after that late goal by Salo.
Nabokov just got an SO and moved up to 51.72%.

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I think basing the winning percentage on games started as opposed to games played makes more sense.

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Esche won't play in 50 games due to two separate injuries.

38 games started - 21-8-6-2 for a win% of 65.79.


BTW you calculated their win percentages incorrectly.

Proper way is (points gained)/possible number of points.

For example - Esche

21*2(wins) + 6*1(ties) + 2*1(OT losses) = 50 points

Started 38 games * 2 = 78 possible points

50/78 = 65.79%


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04-01-2004, 11:42 AM
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Esche won't play in 50 games due to two separate injuries.

38 games started - 21-8-6-2 for a win% of 65.79.


BTW you calculated their win percentages incorrectly.

Proper way is (points gained)/possible number of points.

For example - Esche

21*2(wins) + 6*1(ties) + 2*1(OT losses) = 50 points

Started 38 games * 2 = 78 possible points

50/78 = 65.79%
That calculates point percentage, not win percentage..... This thread is about win percent, they're two different numbers.

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04-01-2004, 12:42 PM
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Actually, he's right. Win % is the same thing is point %. A tie in 1 game means you are at .500

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That calculates point percentage, not win percentage..... This thread is about win percent, they're two different numbers.
Yes, and hockey statistics list save percentage for goalies as .916, but that is actually the save average. It is usually acknowledged that a team is playing .500 hockey if they have earned a point a game.

I think that this small debate is why they don't go by winning percentage in hockey standings, but by points.

If goalie "A" plays in 10 games going 6-0-4*, he wouldn't have as high a winning percentage as goalie "B" who went 7-3-0*. However, goalie "A" and his team would have picked-up 15 PTS in the standings, one more than goalie "B" and his team.
*All wins and losses are in regulation in this hypothetical.

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More games = More losses.

Playing 50-60 games and playing 70-75 games is a whole different ballpark.

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Yes, and hockey statistics list save percentage for goalies as .916, but that is actually the save average. It is usually acknowledged that a team is playing .500 hockey if they have earned a point a game.

I think that this small debate is why they don't go by winning percentage in hockey standings, but by points.

If goalie "A" plays in 10 games going 6-0-4*, he wouldn't have as high a winning percentage as goalie "B" who went 7-3-0*. However, goalie "A" and his team would have picked-up 15 PTS in the standings, one more than goalie "B" and his team.
*All wins and losses are in regulation in this hypothetical.
I always believed and that was true that a tie = 1/2 win.

So:

A: 6+(4x.5) = .800 win %
b: 7+(0x.5) = .700 win %

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I always believed and that was true that a tie = 1/2 win.

So:

A: 6+(4x.5) = .800 win %
b: 7+(0x.5) = .700 win %
Agreed.

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Yes, I believe a tie is worth .5. For example, Turco is 36-21-13, in 72 games. 13 ties = 6.5 points added to the wins. So its actually 42.5/72 for a winning % of .590...not .500.

So the numbers of all those guys should be a little different.

IMO

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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Puddy
If goalie "A" plays in 10 games going 6-0-4*, he wouldn't have as high a winning percentage as goalie "B" who went 7-3-0*. However, goalie "A" and his team would have picked-up 15 PTS in the standings, one more than goalie "B" and his team.
*All wins and losses are in regulation in this hypothetical.
wouldnt 6-0-4 be 16 points not 15? Which is 2 more then what 7-3-0 gets at 14.

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If goalie "A" plays in 10 games going 6-0-4*, he wouldn't have as high a winning percentage as goalie "B" who went 7-3-0*. However, goalie "A" and his team would have picked-up 15 PTS in the standings, one more than goalie "B" and his team.
*All wins and losses are in regulation in this hypothetical.
6-0-4 is a .800 winning % and 16 points.

7-3-0 is a .700 winning % and 14 points.

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04-02-2004, 02:31 AM
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Esche won't play in 50 games due to two separate injuries.

38 games started - 21-8-6-2 for a win% of 65.79.


BTW you calculated their win percentages incorrectly.

Proper way is (points gained)/possible number of points.

For example - Esche

21*2(wins) + 6*1(ties) + 2*1(OT losses) = 50 points

Started 38 games * 2 = 78 possible points

50/78 = 65.79%

Just for the record, this has gotta be wrong somewhere along the lines, only because the NHL has ruled that an OT Loss is a loss for the goalie.

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I wasn't including ties...it's a winning percentage- ie. the percentage of wins out of games played.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fan-of-#9
Goalies who have played at least 50 games:

1. Belfour -56.14%
2. Cloutier -52.63%
3. Khabibulin -51.85%, Raycroft -51.85%
5. Biron -50.98%
6. Nabokov -50.87%
7. Aebischer -50.82
8. Brodeur -50.68%
9. Turco -50.00%
10. Theodore -49.23%

Pretty interesting list. One guy kinda stands out to me , besides Belfour who is clearly ahead of the pack.
The top ten point pct. of goalies with 50gms or more....

1. Belfour - 62.3%
2. Turco - 60.7%
3. Raycroft - 60.2
Aebischer - 60.2%
5. Nabokov - 59.6%
6. Khabibulin - 59.4%
Biron - 59.4%
8. Cloutier - 58.6%
9. Brodeur - 58.2%
10. Vokoun - 54.2%

Big difference for Cloutier...

But for the argument's sake of the initial poster...Goalies are often praised for WINS in a year...rarely do they mention the ties when discussing WINS. So winning percentage as initially done is not a BAD stat. If Cloutier played as many games as every other goalie he'd have more wins than all but Belfour. And WINS bring praise.

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If Cloutier played as many games as every other goalie he'd have more wins than all but Belfour. And WINS bring praise.
Problem is he can't. He has shownb and proved that he cannot handle a more than 55 game work load. No shame in that.

I like Clouts and think he is as good as any other goalie in the West. There is nothing to suggest he won't have a good post season.

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The top ten point pct. of goalies with 50gms or more....
You should probably include OTLs if you're doing it by "points"...

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yeah, actually, i should re-phrase that...that is winning pct...taking into account ties as .5 wins.

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I wasn't including ties...it's a winning percentage- ie. the percentage of wins out of games played.
Ties are extremely prevelant in the NHL these days. Whats the point of not having ties figured in?

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