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02-26-2007, 11:10 PM
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Neutral Site Games?

I remember that in the early 90's the NHL experimented with neutral site games. Where did they hold them? I know a few were here in Saskatoon, but where else did they play?

Are these the only regular season neutral site games or have there been others, either mandated by the league or forced due to arena problems?

What about in the playoffs?

I'd also be curious about the pre-season, but I'm guessing that's a very long list.

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Preseason would be insanely long. Winnipeg, Rochester, that town in Nova Scotia this year just to start.

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The Blues always used to play at least one preseason game in Alaska.

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I remember that in the early 90's the NHL experimented with neutral site games. Where did they hold them? I know a few were here in Saskatoon, but where else did they play?

Are these the only regular season neutral site games or have there been others, either mandated by the league or forced due to arena problems?

What about in the playoffs?

I'd also be curious about the pre-season, but I'm guessing that's a very long list.
Reg. Season

SEASONDAYMONTHH/A1 TEAMSCORE2 TEAMSCORENeutral
1917-18272HOMEMTL1OTT13at Quebec, PQ
1926-27 1811HOMEDET0BOS2at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 2711HOMEDET4NYA2at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 412HOMEDET1NYR0at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 912HOMEDET1OTT13at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 1112HOMEDET2NYA4at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 2312HOMEDET2MTL3at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 3012HOMEDET0MTM2at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 11HOMEDET2PTP3at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 41HOMEDET1TOR2at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 131HOMEDET3BOS2at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 12HOMEDET4CHI3at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 122HOMEDET1MTL4at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 162HOMEDET5TOR1at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 172HOMEDET1OTT12at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 192HOMEDET1CHI4at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 242HOMEDET0MTM2at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 83HOMEDET1CHI4at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 103HOMEDET7PTP1at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 133HOMEDET2NYR2at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 173HOMEDET0NYR2at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 193HOMEDET1BOS3at Windsor, Ont
1926-27 263HOMEDET4PTP6at Windsor, Ont
1929-30 2812HOMEOTT11NYR3at Atlantic City, NJ
1929-30 251HOMEPTP2CHI5at Atlantic City, NJ
1929-30 83HOMEPTP3CHI4at Peace Bridge
1954-55 2311HOMECHI4MTL4at St Louis, MO
1954-55 3011HOMECHI3MTL3at Omaha, NE
1954-55 1512HOMECHI3TOR8at St Louis, MO
1954-55 91HOMECHI2DET6at St Louis, MO
1954-55 291HOMECHI2DET2at St Louis, MO
1954-55 232HOMECHI3BOS3at St Paul, MN
1954-55 163HOMECHI1NYR1at St Louis, MO
1955-56 2510HOMECHI2BOS0at St Louis, MO
1955-56 2012HOMECHI1MTL7at St Louis, MO
1955-56 141HOMECHI1DET3at St Louis, MO
1955-56 171HOMECHI2NYR2at Omaha, NE
1955-56 83HOMECHI4NYR6at St Louis, MO
1992-93 41HOMEMTL4SJ1at Sacramento, CA
1992-93 1811HOMENJ3BUF2at Hamilton, Ont
1992-93 1312HOMENYI4EDM1at Oklahoma City, OK
1992-93 912HOMENYR6TB5at Miami, FL
1992-93 222HOMEPHI5DET5at Cincinnati, OH
1992-93 181HOMEPHO8CAR7at Saskatoon, Sask
1992-93 82HOMEPIT4BOS0at Atlanta, GA
1992-93 222HOMESJ0NYR4at Sacramento, CA
1992-93 1512HOMESTL3NYI4at Dallas, TX
1992-93 2010HOMETOR5OTT3at Hamilton, Ont
1992-93 113HOMEVAN3DAL4at Saskatoon, Sask
1992-93 311HOMEWAS4CHI1at Indianapolis, IN
1992-93 163HOMEBOS3NJ1at Providence, RI
1992-93 13HOMEBUF2VAN5at Hamilton, Ont
1992-93 82HOMECAR1STL3at Birmingham, AL
1992-93 162HOMECGY4PHI4at Cincinnati, OH
1992-93 112HOMECHI3LA6at Milwaukee, WI
1992-93 1711HOMECOL3TOR1at Hamilton, Ont
1992-93 1310HOMEDAL3CGY4at Saskatoon, Sask
1992-93 163HOMEDET2WAS4at Milwaukee, WI
1992-93 213HOMEEDM4PIT6at Cincinnati, OH
1992-93 812HOMELA5MTL5at Phoenix, AZ
1993-94 1811HOMEMTL1NYI5at Hamilton, Ont
1993-94 183HOMENYI2BUF2at Minneapolis, MN
1993-94 3110HOMENYR4NJ1at Halifax, NS
1993-94 43HOMEOTT1PHO6at Minneapolis, MN
1993-94 22HOMEPHI2WAS5at Cincinnati, OH
1993-94 222HOMEPHO2FLA3at Hamilton, Ont
1993-94 82HOMESJ4CHI3at Sacramento, CA
1993-94 2110HOMESTL5SJ2at Sacramento, CA
1993-94 1412HOMETB1MTL1at Orlando, FL
1993-94 2612HOMETB1FLA3at Orlando, FL
1993-94 21HOMETB1ANA4at Orlando, FL
1993-94 171HOMETB3DET6at Minneapolis, MN
1993-94 241HOMETB4BUF0at Orlando, FL
1993-94 41HOMETOR0TB1at Hamilton, Ont
1993-94 2312HOMEVAN4CGY3at Saskatoon, Sask
1993-94 93HOMEWAS5NYR7at Halifax, NS
1993-94 911HOMEANA4DAL2at Phoenix, AZ
1993-94 3112HOMEBOS3PHI4at Minneapolis, MN
1993-94 311HOMEBUF2PIT6at Sacramento, CA
1993-94 61HOMECAR1STL2at Cincinnati, OH
1993-94 241HOMECGY3LA3at Phoenix, AZ
1993-94 83HOMECHI3ANA0at Phoenix, AZ
1993-94 51HOMECOL0MTL4at Phoenix, AZ
1993-94 912HOMEDAL6OTT1at Minneapolis, MN
1993-94 242HOMEDET3CAR0at Cincinnati, OH
1993-94 241HOMEEDM4VAN5at Saskatoon, Sask
1997-98 310HOMEVAN3ANA2at Tokyo, Japan
1997-98 410HOMEANA3VAN2at Tokyo, Japan
1998-99 1010HOMESJ3CGY5at Tokyo, Japan
1998-99 910HOMECGY3SJ3at Tokyo, Japan
2000-01 710HOMENSH1PIT3at Tokyo, Japan
2000-01 610HOMEPIT1NSH3at Tokyo, Japan
2003-041211HOMEBUF2NJ2at Rochester, NY
2005-062610HOMEBUF2WAS3at Rochester, NY

PO

SEASONDAYMONTHH/A1 TEAMSCORE2 TEAMSCORENeutral
1949-50 134HOMENYR3DET1at Toronto, Ont
1949-50 154HOMENYR0DET4at Toronto, Ont

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I remember that in the early 90's the NHL experimented with neutral site games. Where did they hold them? I know a few were here in Saskatoon, but where else did they play?

Are these the only regular season neutral site games or have there been others, either mandated by the league or forced due to arena problems?

What about in the playoffs?

I'd also be curious about the pre-season, but I'm guessing that's a very long list.
The Flyers played a few home games in Quebec, where their top farm team was located, in the team's first season due to structural damage to the roof of the Spectrum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wachovia_Spectrum

On March 1, 1968, high winds blew a portion of the covering of the Spectrum's roof off during a performance of the Ice Capades forcing the building to close for a month while the damage was repaired. While the 76ers were able to move their home games to Convention Hall or to the Palestra, neither of those arenas had ice rinks at the time and
there were no other NHL-quality sites in the Philadelphia area. Thus the Flyers hurriedly moved their next home game (against the Oakland Seals) to Madison Square Garden in New York followed by a meeting with the Boston Bruins played at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto before establishing a base at Le Colisée in Quebec City, home of their top minor league team, the AHL Quebec Aces, for the remainder of their regular season home schedule. (The roof was repaired in time to permit the Flyers to return to the Spectrum to open their first ever Stanley Cup play-offs against the St. Louis Blues on April 4, 1968.)

Results and dates from Flyers' History site:

http://flyershistory.net/cgi-bin/nsgames.cgi

Date Road Team Home Team Results Location
3-Mar-68 California Golden Seals 1 @ Flyers 1 T New York
7-Mar-68 Boston Bruins 2 @ Flyers 1 L Toronto
10-Mar-68 Minnesota North Stars 0 @ Flyers 2 W Quebec City
14-Mar-68 Los Angeles Kings 0 @ Flyers 0 T Quebec City
17-Mar-68 Toronto Maple Leafs 4 @ Flyers 7 W Quebec City
28-Mar-68 St.Louis Blues 0 @ Flyers 2 W Quebec City
30-Mar-68 Pittsburgh Penguins 2 @ Flyers 0 L Quebec City
16-Feb-93 Flyers 4 @ Calgary Flames 4 T Cincinnati, OH
22-Feb-93 Detroit Red Wings 5 @ Flyers 5 T Cleveland, OH
31-Dec-93 Flyers 4 @ Boston Bruins 3 W Minneapolis, MIN
2-Feb-94 Washington Capitals 5 @ Flyers 2 L Cleveland, OH

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Sick list pnep... good job.
All those Windsor Ont. games though like expected were played by the Redwings. A matter of a 2 minute trip.

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Thanks pnep. I forgot about the Wings playing their first season in Windsor due to their arena not being built or at least finished. What's the story behind the two games in Rochester the last two seasons?

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pnep, is it possible for you to quickly determine the greatest margin of difference between who lead the league in shutouts and who finished second? I only ask if you can do it without putting too much effort into it.

Marty Brodeur currently has 12 shutouts to lead Dominik Hasek and Mikka Kiprusoff each by six. That is 100% more than the place holder. I am wondering what the biggest margin is.

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Thanks pnep. I forgot about the Wings playing their first season in Windsor due to their arena not being built or at least finished. What's the story behind the two games in Rochester the last two seasons?
The Sabres wanted to have a couple games in their minor league affiliate's arena. I think it was part of Tom Golisano's plan to spread the following of the Sabres both into Eastern Ontario and solidify it around Upstate New York.

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pnep, is it possible for you to quickly determine the greatest margin of difference between who lead the league in shutouts and who finished second? I only ask if you can do it without putting too much effort into it.

Marty Brodeur currently has 12 shutouts to lead Dominik Hasek and Mikka Kiprusoff each by six. That is 100% more than the place holder. I am wondering what the biggest margin is.

The Sabres wanted to have a couple games in their minor league affiliate's arena. I think it was part of Tom Golisano's plan to spread the following of the Sabres both into Eastern Ontario and solidify it around Upstate New York.
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GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
George "Little George" Hainsworth 1928-29MTL22
John "The Port Perry Woodpecker" Roach 1928-29NYR13
Roy "Shrimp" Worters 1928-29NYA13

GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Tony "Tony O" Esposito 1969-70CHI15
Ed "Steady Eddie" Giacomin 1969-70NYR6


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GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Alex "The Ottawa Fireman" Connell 1925-26OTT115
Roy "Shrimp" Worters 1925-26PTP7


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GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Bernie "Barnyard" Parent 1974-75PHI12
Tony "Tony O" Esposito 1974-75CHI6
Gary "Axe" Smith 1974-75VAN6
Rogie "Lutin De Palmarolle" Vachon 1974-75LA6


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GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict 1919-20OTT15
Frank Brophy 1919-20HAM0
Jack Darragh 1919-20OTT10
Verner "Jumpin' Jakie" Forbes 1919-20TOR0
Howie "Holes" Lockhart 1919-20HAM0
Ivan "Mike" Mitchell 1919-20TOR0
Harry "Big Mum" Mummery 1919-20HAM0
Georges "The Chicoutimi Cucumber" Vezina 1919-20MTL0

GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
John "Mum" Mowers 1942-43DET6
Bill Beveridge 1942-43NYR1
Paul Bibeault 1942-43MTL1
Frank "Mr Zero" Brimsek 1942-43BOS1
Walter "Turk" Broda 1942-43TOR1
Hubert "Bert" Gardiner 1942-43CHI1

GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Terry "Ukey" Sawchuk 1950-51DET11
Walter "Turk" Broda 1950-51TOR6
Gerry Mcneil 1950-51MTL6
Claude "Bonnie Prince Charlie" Rayner 1950-51NYR6

GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Terry "Ukey" Sawchuk 1951-52DET12
Jim "Sugar Jim" Henry 1951-52BOS7


GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Ed "Steady Eddie" Giacomin 1966-67NYR9
Rogie "Lutin De Palmarolle" Vachon 1966-67DET4
Denis Dejordy 1966-67CHI4

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GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Tony "Tony O" Esposito 1969-70CHI15
Ed "Steady Eddie" Giacomin 1969-70NYR6

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GOALIE NAMESEASONTEAMSO
Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict 1919-20OTT15
Frank Brophy 1919-20HAM0
Jack Darragh 1919-20OTT10
Verner "Jumpin' Jakie" Forbes 1919-20TOR0
Howie "Holes" Lockhart 1919-20HAM0
Ivan "Mike" Mitchell 1919-20TOR0
Harry "Big Mum" Mummery 1919-20HAM0
Georges "The Chicoutimi Cucumber" Vezina 1919-20MTL0
Thanks pnep. Your statistical work is great.

The above two impress me the most. Clint Benedict was the goalie who got the rule changed about goalies dropping to the ice. And Tony Esposito had 250% more shutouts than anyone else in a modern era.

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Neutral Site items

Some of those games shown being in Cincinnati were actually at Richfield, OH- at the old Richfield Coliseum, located roughly halfway between Cleveland and Akron. It was once the home of the WHA Crusaders, and the short-lived NHL Barons:

Feb 22, 1993 Detroit-Philadelphia
Mar 21, 1993 Pittsburgh-Edmonton
Jan 6, 1994 St Louis-Hartford (not Carolina)
Apr 3, 1994 Boston-Pittsburgh

At the time, a gentleman named Tom Rudo was trying to convince the Pens and the NBA Cavs to work a deal to swap five games: put five Cavs games in Pittsburgh, and five Pens games in Cleveland, as Pittsburgh lacked an NBA franchise, while Cleveland lacked an NHL team. Plus, the Cleveland Lumberjacks were the Pens' top minor league affiliate in the IHL back then. Sadly, Rudo never was able to convince the necessary folks to make it happen.

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All those games in Windsor weren't neutral site games. The Windsor Arena was the Red Wings' official home in 1926-27.

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Preseason would be insanely long. Winnipeg, Rochester, that town in Nova Scotia this year just to start.
'that town' happens to be the birthplace of the almighty donair, raoul!

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I don't remember those games being played in Rochester. I'm surprised - that's something I should remember.

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My very first NHL game.

I think the reason why NHL teams tend to do the neutral site games during the preseason is that they don't want to lose any valuable regular season home dates. Some NHL teams don't draw big crowds for their preseason home dates, so they don't do a lot of them. The Thrashers have even done 10 am on a Tuesday or Wednesday preseason games exclusively for local schools. I remember Tampa Bay used to play a preseason game or two here in Atlanta (At the time, Atlanta was home of their top minor league affiliate.) For some of the towns that get a preseason game, it really is a once in a generation thing.

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