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03-30-2004, 08:48 PM
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Good players cost money to keep. But the point that you keep missing is that in order to build a winning team in the NHL you have to develop a large portion of those players in house. If you go out and buy the best available usually old players that money can buy you will not win the cup. You cannot get a good enough team that way under the current CBA
yea? the last time i looked the tampa bay lightning have 4 home grown players on their roster. 4. thats all. lecavalier, richards, kubina and a young guy. thats it.
stillman, andreychuk, modin, sarich, cullimore, boyle, sydor, st louis, khabibulin, grahame, taylor, dingman...hello???

what is your definition of large portion???

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yea? the last time i looked the tampa bay lightning have 4 home grown players on their roster. 4. thats all. lecavalier, richards, kubina and a young guy. thats it.
stillman, andreychuk, modin, sarich, cullimore, boyle, sydor, st louis, khabibulin, grahame, taylor, dingman...hello???

what is your definition of large portion???

4 home grown players drafted by the team is incorrect. The number of roster players on the team is 5 (i'm assuming the young guy is Cibak, and you forgot Afanasenkov, who is a roster player as well), but if you look at the list, St. Louis (UFA), Sarich(Gratton trade), Cullimore(Waivers), Boyle(Trade), and Clymer(UFA) were all developed by Tampa who, as you can see, were acquired by trades, Free Agency, or Waivers. Not all of them were developed per se, but they all hit their stride with Tampa. Another team's trash happened to be the Lightning's treasure. I guess you can add Grahame to that list too, since he was chopped liver in Boston. By my count that is 7 core players developed by this team (Lecavalier, Richards, St. Louis, Kubina, Cullimore, Sarich, and Boyle). Andreychuk is also a core player who was brought in purely for veteran leadership and the development of the younger players.

As for the Tampa market: If they put together a string of winning seasons, the franchise will be just fine. As most people already know, most people who live in the bay area are northern transplants from places like New York City, Boston, Long Island, Hartford, Canada, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. All of these places hold, or held hockey teams, so the fanbase is there, but the support for the team isn't. When they start consistantly finishing in the upper eschelon of the Eastern Conference, the fans will come. A trend of sellouts has started here: 7 in a row until last saturday, then a sellout monday. 8 of 9 games with a sellout is good for the Tampa market. I am also aware of the ticket deals that are given to fans, and to say that this doesn't affect attendance is a lie, but at least we all know that fans will show up. With a new CBA hammered out, the Lightning should slowly but surely start making a profit for Dollar Bill.


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Of the teams currently in the division a lot will depend on how long the lockout lasts and what type of cba is ultimately negotiated at that point. If it's a lengthy lockout the only one that appears safe would be washington based on the market they're in. Atlanta's ownership is in a flux and the other ones may not want to continue the red ink.

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Of the teams currently in the division a lot will depend on how long the lockout lasts and what type of cba is ultimately negotiated at that point. If it's a lengthy lockout the only one that appears safe would be washington based on the market they're in. Atlanta's ownership is in a flux and the other ones may not want to continue the red ink.
money tied up for next year
carolina 15.4 mill only have weekes and oneill as tough rfa's - everyone else should stay cheap
atlanta - 8.18 mill. have to sign wonder twins - shouldnt be a problem
tampa 16 mill. st louis and kubina top rfa's - doable.
florida 10 mill - jokinen and van ryn top rfa's. done deal.

i dont get why the southeast teams are in any more trouble than any teams aside from the top 4/5. all the teams are far below any luxury tax/cap with plenty of room to sign their key players. all the teams are younger and potentially on the way up. kovy, heatley, lehtonen, staal, williams, cole, lecavalier, richards, st. louis, loungo, horton, weiss, bo, semin, oullette etc...etc...all play in this division. this division has the large chunk of the best young talent in the league. all the teams play in good (mostly new) arenas. if the lockout achieves its primary goal - this division may be one the best in a couple of years - its already fun to watch. everyone will just have to deal with the facts that these teams arent in anymore trouble than the rest of the teams and arent going anywhere for a while. deal with it. if the owners lose this battle - who knows, but dont you think calgary and edm are in more trouble than these teams if the owners lose?

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Of the teams currently in the division a lot will depend on how long the lockout lasts and what type of cba is ultimately negotiated at that point. If it's a lengthy lockout the only one that appears safe would be washington based on the market they're in. Atlanta's ownership is in a flux and the other ones may not want to continue the red ink.
They all appear pretty safe actually.

Teams like Washington and Carolina haven't made some of the best management decisions in the last couple years, but that's par for the course in the NHL. More than a few teams, regardless of location, have screwed the pooch in that regard. But those two are getting back on track.
Florida has floundered in the last few years in regards to its players, but the financial situation is not bad at all. If they hint at getting above .500 and a chance at the playoffs next year, the fans will come as will the money (like Atlanta, notorious for fair-weather fans).
Tampa's winning ways will bring them more revenue. Not just for the playoffs, but heightened exposure and additional sponsorship should be coming their way. Everyone loves a winner.
Atlanta was finally sold, the new owners officially took control on Wednesday. They have already started putting their own people in place, Bernie Mullin as president and CEO is a very good step. Nine man ownership group that has deep pockets to draw from collectively, and the operating rights to Philips Arena and all its other events doesn't hurt either.

All in all, not too bad. Certainly not any worse off than many other teams. They all sport fairly low payrolls with gobs of young talent. Any new CBA will likely mean that free agents in the future won't get as much as they have been getting in the past several years. So these teams should be able to keep that young talent without breaking the bank, and themselves in the process. The problem in the NHL doesn't lie with these teams (ok, maybe Washington). It's more prevalent with teams that most or all fans wouldn't even hint at moving or contracting. Many of them are larger market teams with a lot of history, a couple are smaller market teams that have a history as well. I get the overwhelming sense that it's taboo to bring up this type of topic in regards to some of those other teams.

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