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12-12-2007, 08:57 PM
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NYR: No longer the #1 Defense

After giving up 5 tonight to the #30th NHL club, the Rangers GA/G has gone up to 2.19. They've dropped to 3rd in the league behind San Jose and Detroit neither of whom play tonight.

Getting away from the system to compensate for lack of scoring?
Goaltending not as good?
Overall hustle?
Conditioning?
Combination of all?


Theyve given up 3.8 goals a game in the last 5, with a shutout included.

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12-12-2007, 08:59 PM
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We beat the Devils 1-0 and we're bound for the cup... we lose to the Caps and we are a sinking ship....

I think people shouldn't post after a game until 24 hours later!

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12-12-2007, 09:01 PM
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Beating the Devils 1 - 0 means nothing. If you have a team that can't score at even strength or the PP, I don't care how good your defense is, you're not winning the cup. If the Rangers were in the middle of the pack in scoring, I'd say we have a good chance (the Devils did it), but when you are as bad as this team in scoring, then you're not going anywhere.

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We beat the Devils 1-0 and we're bound for the cup... we lose to the Caps and we are a sinking ship....

I think people shouldn't post after a game until 24 hours later!
This isnt one game i'm talking about if you read the post.

I'm simply offering a valid question.

No other stretch of 5 games this season have produced these types of results.

December = Not Good.

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I know what you mean about how people are a happy bunch when they win and then say all is failed when they lose. However, when they lose they always lose in such a fashion that it exposes the weaknesses of the team in a huge way. These aren't games where the Rangers got beat by a better team, they are a games where they played very sloppy hockey where they either can't score or can't defend. IMO the Rangers when they play on their A game are an elite team. However, they haven't reached their A game with the exception of a few games this season.

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Something went wrong with Lundy after that Tampa-game. But didnt he have a bad stretch last desember too? How dad was it by numbers?. I REALLY hope hes back on track soon. The loss against the Caps isnt all o him but The "normal" King wouldnt allowed all five of them.

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This team just has no clue how to break out from an offensive 3 man forecheck. We have been badly beaten against all teams that have performed this kind of offensive defense against us.

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This team just has no clue how to break out from an offensive 3 man forecheck. We have been badly beaten against all teams that have performed this kind of offensive defense against us.
This team has no killer instinct. Up 2-0 and they go into a shell.

They have to learn to bury a team. look at Ottawa tonight.

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After giving up 5 tonight to the #30th NHL club, the Rangers GA/G has gone up to 2.19. They've dropped to 3rd in the league behind San Jose and Detroit neither of whom play tonight.

Getting away from the system to compensate for lack of scoring?
Goaltending not as good?
Overall hustle?
Conditioning?
Combination of all?


Theyve given up 3.8 goals a game in the last 5, with a shutout included.
How can you expect them to take that wire to wire? Its not even possible. Its not like they have fallen from 1st to 29th. They could regain 1st without even playing a game. Whats the big deal?

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12-12-2007, 09:17 PM
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Something went wrong with Lundy after that Tampa-game. But didnt he have a bad stretch last desember too? How dad was it by numbers?. I REALLY hope hes back on track soon. The loss against the Caps isnt all o him but The "normal" King wouldnt allowed all five of them.
I think the one goal you can really only stick on Henrik is the point shot. Outside of that, he was not at fault. When he made that save on the SH breakaway, it would have been 4-2. That was game over right there. So you can make a strong argument that he got us a point tonight. Maybe if he was the Robot Henrik tonight, it would have been 3-2 or something, but that cant happen every night.

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This team has no killer instinct. Up 2-0 and they go into a shell.

They have to learn to bury a team. look at Ottawa tonight.
Exactly. A great team plays to win, every shift. They never let up.

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This team has no killer instinct. Up 2-0 and they go into a shell.

They have to learn to bury a team. look at Ottawa tonight.
yeah, one of the reasons why ottawa going to the finals again

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somehow this maybe linked to Malik not being in the lineup?

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I would trade 5 starters right now for 5 more Sean Avery's. Plain and simple (maybe not HIM as a hockey player) his attitude/personality/emotions are what literally bring us back into, or stay in the games. Get the heart in it, and this team would be unstoppable.

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Fire Renney!
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Sell the franchise!!

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We did a lot of running around in the defensive zone last night and let's face it, Henrik did not have one of his better games. But it's definitely not cause for panic. We just got outworked by the NHLs worst team. This seems to happen too much lately.

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After giving up 5 tonight to the #30th NHL club, the Rangers GA/G has gone up to 2.19. They've dropped to 3rd in the league behind San Jose and Detroit neither of whom play tonight.

Getting away from the system to compensate for lack of scoring?
Goaltending not as good?
Overall hustle?
Conditioning?
Combination of all?


Theyve given up 3.8 goals a game in the last 5, with a shutout included.
Sitting Malik sure helped.

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This team has no killer instinct. Up 2-0 and they go into a shell.
Seriously. Its stupid to keep switching the game. If youre gonna start with a bang, follow through.

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Sitting Malik sure helped.
It actually has. We managed to get a shut out against the Devils. His giant bumbling and stumbling ass in the line up wouldnt help out at all. The problem is the coaching staffs non-existant solution to the three man forecheck problem which has been killing the Rangers. Whenever other teams use a 2-3 man forcheck,the Rangers have no idea what to do.

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It actually has. We managed to get a shut out against the Devils. His giant bumbling and stumbling ass in the line up wouldnt help out at all. The problem is the coaching staffs non-existant solution to the three man forecheck problem which has been killing the Rangers. Whenever other teams use a 2-3 man forcheck,the Rangers have no idea what to do.
yeah b/c Girardi has been playing stellar as of late. Girardi has been our worst dman for the last 2 weeks. He needs to take a seat for a game or two.

Tyutin, or Rosy, struds didn't look so hot either last night.

In fact only Staal and Mara looked halfway decent last night.


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Something went wrong with Lundy after that Tampa-game. But didnt he have a bad stretch last desember too? How dad was it by numbers?. I REALLY hope hes back on track soon. The loss against the Caps isnt all o him but The "normal" King wouldnt allowed all five of them.
I agree Hank last night let up that slap shot from the point last night right under his pad. Usually he has complete control of those. I think he was shaken up from that shot a little earlier.

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It actually has. We managed to get a shut out against the Devils. His giant bumbling and stumbling ass in the line up wouldnt help out at all. The problem is the coaching staffs non-existant solution to the three man forecheck problem which has been killing the Rangers. Whenever other teams use a 2-3 man forcheck,the Rangers have no idea what to do.
I think I understand. When Malik is in the lineup and they look bad, it's Malik's fault. When he's not in the lineup and they look bad, it's the system.

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many reasons for five goals - turnovers by defensmen and forwards, as well as at least one soft goal. The defensemen weren't particulary strong last night. Mike Green looked like an all star with those moves in the defensive zone, which shouldn't be able to happen.

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I think I understand. When Malik is in the lineup and they look bad, it's Malik's fault. When he's not in the lineup and they look bad, it's the system.
No Chosen, Malik is an all star/Norris trophy winning d-man and only you can see that. The rest of us Ranger fans are blind with hatred -- only the Wise Chosen can tell us who needs to play.

Other than Struds on the 3rd goal none of the goals were caused by defensive lapses. Go look at the tapes. The first and 4th goal were great plays. The fifth goal was due to Shanny falling down. I guess all 3 of those were Girardi's fault, right? If only we where all as wise as you Chosen!

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many reasons for five goals - turnovers by defensmen and forwards, as well as at least one soft goal. The defensemen weren't particulary strong last night. Mike Green looked like an all star with those moves in the defensive zone, which shouldn't be able to happen.
The d wasn't particularly bad either. On the 1st goal Brashqueer knocked Girardi off the puck and made a good centering play. The 2nd goal Lundy stopped the first shot and the Cap player standing at the side of the net made a great deflection on the rebound. The 3rd goal the Jagr line made a terrible line change giving the Caps an odd man rush. The 4th goal was a great deflection outta mid air by Ovechkin and the 5th goal was because Shanny fell down.

Other than Struds play on the odd man rush where did a mistake by the d lead to a goal? As a team we played terrible. Forwards not coming back, sloppy passing, lazy breakouts. Everyone is responsible for that. The d didn't play a great game but we did not lose the game because of their play!

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