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CONFIRMED: [STL-ANA] Doug Weight, Michal Birner, 7th in '08 for Andy McDonald

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12-14-2007, 06:53 PM
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Bryan Burke is the greatest GM in the world. He made excellent decisions and handles his young talent admirably.

I mean, look at what he's done with Lupul, Penner, Bryzgalov and now McDonald.

At the rate this is going, Burke needs to go. Anaheim's going to be gutted come the trade deadline.
You're saying he shouldn't have included Lupul in the package for Pronger? Or he should have matched Penner's offer sheet?

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So Selanne is coming back...

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12-14-2007, 06:56 PM
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You're saying he shouldn't have included Lupul in the package for Pronger? Or he should have matched Penner's offer sheet?
As for Penner, being pro-active and getting him signed before teams could offer sheet him might have been an idea.

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I mean, look at what he's done with Lupul, Penner, Bryzgalov and now McDonald.
Lupul was traded for Pronger, Penner got him 3 picks one of which may be a top-5. And now MacDonald which we can't say anything about for a while. That's not a particularly good list to prove your point, friend.

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12-14-2007, 06:57 PM
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As for Penner, being pro-active and getting him signed before teams could offer sheet him might have been an idea.
If only Penner had been willing..

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Bryan Burke is the greatest GM in the world. He made excellent decisions and handles his young talent admirably.

I mean, look at what he's done with Lupul, Penner, Bryzgalov and now McDonald.

At the rate this is going, Burke needs to go. Anaheim's going to be gutted come the trade deadline.
Lupul and Smid got the Ducks Pronger... I'd say that was well-played. Penner leaving wasn't completely Burke's fault. Sure, he should have signed Penner a bit quicker - but Lowe certainly didn't help matters.

Bryzgalov? He mentioned multiple times he tried to find a good trade, but ultimately, nothing made sense. He kept his promise to Bryzgalov and let him go to another team. Sure, we lost an asset for nothing, but sometimes keeping your word and showing class goes a bit further than that.

Now, the McDonald and Weight trade, it makes sense. They are both somewhat similar as far as points this season go and it helps the Ducks sign Perry next year, who, quite frankly, it much more valuable than Andy McDonald.

Overall, Burke hasn't been outstanding with all his moves, but he certainly isn't driving Anaheim into the ground by any means.

A defense that features Scott Niedermayer, Mathieu Schnieder and Chris Pronger is quite remarkable. Brian Burke helped put it together along with acquiring some quality role-players to mix in with the talented skill players that were already there when he arrived.

I'd have to say Burke has done quite a good job in Anaheim.

And oh yeah, they won the Cup last season.

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You're saying he shouldn't have included Lupul in the package for Pronger? Or he should have matched Penner's offer sheet?
Nope. Just saying that Burke is horrible at managing his assets. He should have gotten a deal hammered out with Penner earlier than he did.

Lupul's deal made sense, but can you tell me that Bryzgalov's or McDonald's trades were smart moves?

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12-14-2007, 06:59 PM
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Lupul and Smid got the Ducks Pronger... I'd say that was well-played. Penner leaving wasn't completely Burke's fault. Sure, he should have signed Penner a bit quicker - but Lowe certainly didn't help matters.

Bryzgalov? He mentioned multiple times he tried to find a good trade, but ultimately, nothing made sense. He kept his promise to Bryzgalov and let him go to another team. Sure, we lost an asset for nothing, but sometimes keeping your word and showing class goes a bit further than that.

Now, the McDonald and Weight trade, it makes sense. They are both somewhat similar as far as points this season go and it helps the Ducks sign Perry next year, who, quite frankly, it much more valuable than Andy McDonald.

Overall, Burke hasn't been outstanding with all his moves, but he certainly isn't driving Anaheim into the ground by any means.

A defense that features Scott Niedermayer, Mathieu Schnieder and Chris Pronger is quite remarkable. Brian Burke helped put it together along with acquiring some quality role-players to mix in with the talented skill players that were already there when he arrived.

I'd have to say Burke has done quite a good job in Anaheim.

And oh yeah, they won the Cup last season.
They won the cup in spite of Burke, not because of him.

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As for Penner, being pro-active and getting him signed before teams could offer sheet him might have been an idea.
Maybe.

Maybe Penner knew he was going to get an offer sheet and stalled signing a new contract.

Maybe Burke didn't think that Lowe was going to target him, as there were several other teams with touted RFAs as well.

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In case anyone is wondering (I'm sure some people know but I didn't-) a quick and dirty summary:

Michal Birner, a LW from the Czech Republic was St. Louis's 4th round pick (116th overall) in 2004.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/michal_birner

According to hockey future's- he's a 7.0C. He played for Saginaw (OHL) and in his last year there- he scored 80+ points. He is in his 2nd year 2 in the AHL and last year, had 28 points there. This year, he has 5 points in 18 games.

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They won the cup in spite of Burke, not because of him.
LOL. Burke got them Nieds, Pronger, Beauchemin, Selanne... yeah, they would have won with Mike Keenan as GM.

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If any of the slumping ducks wake up and start to pick up their play, that team is going to be filthy to watch. I mean if Bertuzzi, Weight, and Kunitz start to produce more often and consistently, damn.

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In case anyone is wondering (I'm sure some people know but I didn't-) a quick and dirty summary:

Michal Birner, a LW from the Czech Republic was St. Louis's 4th round pick (116th overall) in 2004.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/michal_birner

According to hockey future's- he's a 7.0C. He played for Saginaw (OHL) and in his last year there- he scored 80+ points. He spent 2 years in the AHL and last year, had about 20 points there.
Sounds like a whole lotta nothing special.

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Can't believe they gave up their 7th round pick.

Blues.

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I think the one thing Ducks fans should be happy about is they didnt have to part with Beauchemein....Pronger, Nieds, and Scheidner are studs, but they are all over 34 years old. This way they keep there one young D man who would've been the most valuable trading assest on D for his age and what he makes...

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So Selanne is coming back...
Weight coming off the books will balance out a bonus rollover for Selanne.

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Good on Ericnut who called this yesterday
Righteous. I looked at most of his 97 posts before yesterday to see how legit he may be.....I had no doubt he wasn't BS'ing this.

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If someone would have suggested this as a trade proposal, then he would have been laughed at..

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Sounds like a whole lotta nothing special.
Pretty much.

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Nope. Just saying that Burke is horrible at managing his assets. He should have gotten a deal hammered out with Penner earlier than he did.

Lupul's deal made sense, but can you tell me that Bryzgalov's or McDonald's trades were smart moves?
In addition to whatever Burke said about promising Bryzgalov a chance to start, by waving Bryzgalov he made sure that he wouldn't have to face him in the playoffs, unless Bryzgalov stood on his head and elevated whoever claimed him into a playoff spot, something highly unlikely. I don't know whether or not that security is worth whatever he would have got for trading him, but it wasn't a completely worthless move.

As for McDonald, I don't know yet. As of right now, seems like a bad trade.

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Completely out of nowhere for the Blues. Also an amazing deal for us. Weight is just slow, and his lack of speed was killing our scoring. Gives the Blues 6 actual top 6 quality forwards for the 1st time in a long time.

I don't see the hoopla over Selanne though. The Ducks actually added payroll for this season and traded away his linemate, whom Selanne was noted for playing well with. I just don't see how it follows that Selanne is headed to Anaheim.

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A lot of movement for the Ducks. Burke is on a roll.

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If any of the slumping ducks wake up and start to pick up their play, that team is going to be filthy to watch. I mean if Bertuzzi, Weight, and Kunitz start to produce more often and consistently, damn.
When you are counting on a worthless Bertuzzi, a decrepit Weight, and an overachieving Kunitz as the solution for your offensive woes things are pretty close to rock bottom.

You better hope that D turns into a lockdown sub-2.00 GA/G unit, because I highly doubt that offense is enough to get you back to the Finals (or even to the Western Conference Finals).

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Horrible reasoning. If, as it's being hypothesized, Burke made this deal to clear up room next year, wouldn't it make more sense to hold onto McDonald until the season ended and then deal him? You can't convince me that the return would be any less than Weight in the summer. Attaching Niedermayer to this deal might have made sense if McDonald was making 3x the money that Weight is, but he's not, so it doesn't.
The key thing is not just clearing up salary for next season - it is acquiring a contract which expires after this season.

The amount of room you have under the tagging rules for transactions made during this season is your current Payroll Room plus the aggregate amount of contracts that you have expiring at the end of the season.

Trading McDonald at the end of the season or trading him just for draft picks does not help the Ducks with the tagging room they need now to activate Nieds plus make any other roster moves.

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When you are counting on a worthless Bertuzzi, a decrepit Weight, and an overachieving Kunitz as the solution for your offensive woes things are pretty close to rock bottom.

You better hope that D turns into a lockdown sub-2.00 GA/G unit, because I highly doubt that offense is enough to get you back to the Finals (or even to the Western Conference Finals).
Bertuzzi, while not worth 4M, is by no means worthless. Weight...haven't seen him much, and you've probably never watched Kunitz by calling him overachieving. He's one of the most consistent Ducks.

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