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CONFIRMED: [STL-ANA] Doug Weight, Michal Birner, 7th in '08 for Andy McDonald

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12-14-2007, 08:11 PM
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Interesting deal, makes sense too. Both Weight and McDonald are struggling so both teams are hoping a change of scenery can rejuvenate them. The Ducks obviously prefered Weight's contract and I'm sure the Blues are happy to have McDonald signed for next season at a reasonable amount. I haven't bothered to read through all 9 pages of posts, but didn't Weight have a NTC?

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12-14-2007, 08:14 PM
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Kariya and McDonald on a line = hella fast. Now they just need Ryan Shannon.

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12-14-2007, 08:15 PM
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Bertuzzi, while not worth 4M, is by no means worthless. Weight...haven'y seen him much, and you probably never watch Kunitz.
I saw plenty of Bertuzzi last season and this season to confidently claim that he's pretty worthless. He's not really a quality top6 forward anymore. I've also seen quite a bit of Kunitz last season and this season. He's a good player, but he's a classic case of someone who was given little but gets 100% of out of it. Because of that, he'll go into slumps from time to time and he'll never be able to carry a line. He's a lower-tier top6 forward, such as a Brunette or Holmstrom - guys who can produce with talent around them but will never be able to do it alone. Just because I don't live in California doesn't mean that I can't watch plenty of Ducks games. The NHL has this package called Center Ice you should read up on sometime.

Weight.....well you'll get to see plenty of him soon enough. Fire up that sundial to time his end-to-end rushes.

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12-14-2007, 08:15 PM
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didn't Weight have a NTC?
Yes. I guess he doesn't mind the chance to win another cup.

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12-14-2007, 08:16 PM
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LOL. Burke got them Nieds, Pronger, Beauchemin, Selanne... yeah, they would have won with Mike Keenan as GM.
Burke's assistant GM recommended Beauchemin, rather adamantly, otherwise BURKE wouldn't have 'gotten' him.

Niedermayer was because of his brother...Burke had nothing to do with getting a deal done. If Niedermayer was playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack, he would've signed there.

The Pronger deal was a good deal, but Burke had an advantage over other teams in that Mrs. Pronger had Mr. Pronger give a short list of teams that were acceptable for the defenseman to play for. Anaheim was one of them.

I like a lot of his other moves, though. Why aren't you waxing poetic about $4.0M for Bertuzzi?

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Just thinking out loud here.

The original poster said Selanne is coming back...he never said to the Ducks. Being that the Blues still have some cash, could he be coming back to the NHL with his friend Paul Kariya and linemate Andy McDonald?
That would make my day.

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12-14-2007, 08:17 PM
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LOL. Burke got them Nieds, Pronger, Beauchemin, Selanne... yeah, they would have won with Mike Keenan as GM.
He was the GM, but RNieds got them SNieds, and Selanne signed b/c of his history there.

Pronger was an o.k. trade, but he paid a hefty price. The Fedorov trade was good.

It's o.k., though. Wait a year or two. You'll see what his wheeling and dealing has gotten you.


Before Burke:

Getzlaf
Perry
Lupul
Smid
Bryzgalov
Foster
Penner
Kunitz
O'Brien
McDonald

In a couple years:

Getzlaf
Kunitz (maybe)


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He was the GM, but RNieds got them SNieds, and Selanne signed b/c of his history there.

Pronger was an o.k. trade, but he paid a hefty price. The Fedorov trade was good.

It's o.k., though. Wait a year or two. You'll see what his wheeling and dealing has gotten you.


Before Burke:

Getzlaf
Perry
Lupul
Smid
Bryzgalov
Foster
Penner
Kunitz
O'Brien

In a couple years:

Getzlaf
Kunitz (maybe)
You forgot:

+1 Cup (and counting)

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He was the GM, but RNieds got them SNieds, and Selanne signed b/c of his history there.

Pronger was an o.k. trade, but he paid a hefty price. The Fedorov trade was good.

It's o.k., though. Wait a year or two. You'll see what his wheeling and dealing has gotten you.


Before Burke:

Getzlaf
Perry
Lupul
Smid
Bryzgalov
Foster
Penner
Kunitz
O'Brien

In a couple years:

Getzlaf
Kunitz (maybe)
You forgot one, CUP!

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You forgot:

+1 Cup (and counting)
Which at the end of the day, is all that matters.

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12-14-2007, 08:21 PM
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You forgot one, CUP!
That one goes under the "Rob Niedermayer/Pronger's wife" column.

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Kariya and McDonald on a line = hella fast. Now they just need Ryan Shannon.
Combining to become the worst defensive line in hockey...?

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Yes. I guess he doesn't mind the chance to win another cup.
Thanks. I wonder if this was the deal that was alluded to being on the burner last Saturday and the hold-up was just on waiting for Weight's decision?

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12-14-2007, 08:23 PM
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Why aren't you waxing poetic about $4.0M for Bertuzzi?
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You'll see what his wheeling and dealing has gotten you.


Either of you need any clarification?

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Yes. I guess he (Weight) doesn't mind the chance to win another cup.
Thanks for the "subtle" dig at the Blues.

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Thanks for the "subtle" dig at the Blues.

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I actually respect the Blues quite a bit, but it would take more than a little luck for them to win a Cup this season. They'll be up there in about 3 years challenging for the chalice.

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Now all that needs to happen is for Selanne to sign with St.Louis.

Kariya - McDonald - Selanne.

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Either of you need any clarification?
No, but you do. You should read whole posts.

His actual hockey deals (not incredible strokes of luck -- Niedermayer, Selanne, Pronger) are lacking.

The Ducks won the cup (congrats, by the way) through a confluence of free-agent kismet and years of sucking (building up young talent, pre-Burke).

In his time there, Burke has managed the young talent on your team terribly -- see my above post.

Your team will pay for that for years to come.

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No, but you do. You should read whole posts.

His actual hockey deals (not incredible strokes of luck -- Niedermayer, Selanne, Pronger) are lacking.

The Ducks won the cup (congrats, by the way) through a confluence of free-agent kismet and years of sucking (building up young talent, pre-Burke).

In his time there, Burke has managed the young talent on your team terribly -- see my above post.

Your team will pay for that for years to come.
You have no idea what you are talking about. What has Burke cost us since being here... I'll also guarantee you many posters here would love to have Burke as their GM. He loves to win and he knows how to win; its a fact. Talk to me when the playoffs are over... I'm confident.

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In his time there, Burke has managed the young talent on your team terribly -- see my above post.

Your team will pay for that for years to come.
When there are many teams in the league who have never won a cup, Lupul and Smid is a VERY small price to pay to win even one. And with the best defence in the league by far and one of the finest clutch goalies they have a decent chance of winnig one this year again. The offence is lacking at this point but that may still change.

Edit. Surprising as it may be, some of us actually rate the Stanley Cup above young kids

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Combining to become the worst defensive line in hockey...?
second only to the proposed Bertuzzi - Weight - Selanne line.

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Thanks for the "subtle" dig at the Blues.

P_B

I realized that right after I made that post. PB, look what happened when Legace was out. I don't think Toivonen or Schwarz can carry the Blues into the playoffs. Anaheim with Giguere in goal doesn't have that problem. Plus, I think that Anaheim is more likely to win the cup.

Don't mind the Blues and I hope that the team makes the playoffs this season. I just don't view them a team which can compete for the Cup in 2008.

Weight might sign those remarks or why else did he waive his NTC? BTW don't worry about it, he'll sign again with the Blues in summer, only to shipped out again in 2008/2009 for the benefit of the Blues. haha!

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In his time there, Burke has managed the young talent on your team terribly -- see my above post.
How so? Lupul and Smid were dealt for Pronger, you're going to fault Burke for that? Come on. Penner was offered a retarded contract and he's thus far not living up to it, can't blame Burke for taking the picks, which could end up being a lottery pick. Sure Burke could've tried to sign Penner beforehand, but then again, so could've Nonis with regards to Kesler. O'Brien landed a 1st round pick, not horrible. Perry and Kunitz are still with the team, one is signed long term and the other will likely soon be. Bryzgalov was a back-up goaltender set to be UFA, the most he likely could've landed was a 2nd round pick. As for Foster, 5th/6th d-man at best. Who cares?

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You have no idea what you are talking about. What has Burke cost us since being here... I'll also guarantee you many posters here would love to have Burke as their GM. He loves to win and he knows how to win; its a fact. Talk to me when the playoffs are over... I'm confident.
Brian Burke might be the most overrated GM in the league. Yes, he won a cup, and I'm not downplaying that, he did a great job last year. But Jay Feaster, Jim Rutherford, Doug Armstrong, etc also won cups.

This is a bad trade for the Ducks. Plain and simple. McDonald lead them in scoring in the finals last year, he has terrific chemistry with Selanne, and he's fairly inexpensive when compared to other guys who produce like he does.
Weight is a 36 year old past his prime center who hasn't scored 70 points since 2001 and is on pace for about 30 this year. He's not very good anymore.

The Bertuzzi signing was awful, and many called it that from the start. 4 million for two years? I could see taking a risk for one year like he did with Selanne (who only got a 1 year 1 million dollar deal), but 2 years? Really?

And then losing an asset like Bryzgalov for nothing is not something to be proud of.

Bottom line, Burke is a good GM. He's made some good deals, and he's made some bad deals. That's happened in Anaheim and Vancouver.
But let's see if he can do it more than once before we start lumping him in with guys like Holland and Lamiorrelo, which people, for whatever reason, do.

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This summer, the Blues will sign Weight. Then they will trade him.

He is the gift that keeps on giving.

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