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12-12-2007, 04:44 PM
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i bet Cujo is sitting on his chair next to the phone waiting for a call

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12-12-2007, 04:56 PM
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MA Fleury out for 2 months? Damn. I wonder if Sabourin will get the job done for Pittsburgh or if they'll need to bring someone in.

Cujo is a good possibility.

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12-12-2007, 05:05 PM
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As others have said, why would you trade a potential franchise goalie to a division rival...and why would the Pens trade a ton of assets when their young goalie is only supposed to be out 2 months? It just doesn't make any sense.

And it's "repercussions".

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12-12-2007, 05:08 PM
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They won't do Jordan for Monty and Prucha, but I wonder if they would deal Whitney for Monty, Prucha, Dawes and Mara.


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Pitt's goalie is out for 2 months. There backup tandem of TY CONKLIN AND DANNY SABOURIN is not exactly a great way to backup Sid and crew. Also, with part of Recchi's salary coming off the books, they have some cap room.

ALSO, with Recchi gone, there team is full of youngster: Sid, Christensen, Talbot, Malkin, Staal and colby armstrong.
and saturated with under-performing veterans: Ruutu, Adam Hall, Laraques and Sykora (how does this guy put up the amount of goals he did last year with Edmonton, playing with no one and not even up his goal scoring pace a bit playing with sid)

Also, there D is pretty young: Letang, Orpik, Whitney.

Could this be the perfect time to unload Montoya?

Sending him to Pittsburgh could be perfect for his career. Puts him right into a winning situation for a team that is desperate for some positive signs to emanate from between the pipes.

He would move right in as the starter and would have 2 months to secure a starting job in the NHL. In addition, how much longer till Pittsburgh gives up on Fleury? Worst case scenario, when he returns they have a Nicklas Backstrom/Manny Fernandez thing going on, with the loser to be traded come deadline.

Also, given their Young D and Gonchar's offensive tendencies... perhaps theres room for a veteran D-Man

Furthermore, Pitt could use a grinder to play with sid, work the boards for him, and beef up their PK which is mediocre at best...

Each team boasts some components that the other team is sorely lacking. Potential (although unlikely cause its in-division) but the trade might be perfect)

Montoya, Prucha (who could look nice on sid's wing, getting top line minutes, open ice and PP time) or Hossa and Malik

for

Jordan staal, who has been slightly disappointing this year but is young, has a lot of potential, and could fit nicely on a 3rd line with dubinsky and callahan....

and a 2nd or 3rd rounder

Malik
Hossa/Prucha
Montoya

Staal
Draft Pick

May seem like a lot to give up for staal... But imagine the potential a couple years down. His hard nose play could fit in great with some of the more finesse guys comin through (imagine him on a line with Cherapanov...) Plus his proven ability to score SHers (7 last year), would make teams think twice about committing fully to a puck battle below the net. Also, getting rid of prucha now might be ideal and the longer we keep Montoya, the greater the potential that he loses value, seeing as he's almost certainly not going to be given the opp. to prove himself in the NHL with the Rangers.
While trading Malik might leave a void in veteran defenseman, the way it looks now, Renney doesn't seem too concerned. Staal (marc) is playing like a veteran, roszival is too, and tyutin and girardi have matured nicely.

Consider that Malik's stay at home style could give Gonchar even more freedom to join Pitts' rush.

Then we could call up baranka, give him a 10 game stint or so to see if he's ready. Strudwick's game is not the type that is adversely affected from excessive time on the bench and he could be reinserted should baranka prove unable

Straka Drury Jagr
Shanny Gomez Callahan/Avery
Staal Dubinsky Callahan/Avery
Hollweg Betts Orr

Tyutin Girardi
Staal Roszival
Mara Baranka/Strudwick

King
Valy

Could even put stall with Gomez and Shanny... either one would look real nice

Plus with the plethora of guys currently or soon to be in the AHL that appear to have NHL talent, that 2nd pick could be packaged to move up to the 1st round in this years draft, perhaps even with our 1st round pick to move up higher (Assuming we get the last pick in the 1st round)

Point being that I don't think Pittsburgh would be too concerned giving up Staal. In a couple of years they're going to need to extend Malkin, and he's likely to pull numbers close to sid. Factor in Sid, Letang, and resigning whatever goalie (they need a permanent goalie), getting rid of one younger guy poised to command big bucks might be the financially responsible thing.

just a thought.

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12-12-2007, 08:30 PM
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Phew, that was long winded! The only concerns I would have are:
-Why trade a top-tier goalie prospect to a divisional rival?
- Why give up so much just for one player and a mid-level draft pick?
- Why make a good young team, better and younger?

I would concede this if the Rangers and Pens were really going to talk turkey:
NYR Receive:
- Staal
- Whitney

Pitt Receive:
- Malik
- Montoya
- Baranka
- perhaps a 1st/2nd round pick
That's our garbage for their quality... THAT NEVER WORKS.

Montoya and the 1st are the only things worth value going to Pittsburgh in that deal. Baranka doesn't hold much value as he's not a top prospect, and Malik is worth a bag of pucks, at best.

You have to give to get.

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12-13-2007, 12:04 PM
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Malik
Hossa
Montoya...see ya...

Staal
Draft Pick
Lets do this...Sign me up!

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12-13-2007, 12:08 PM
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Malik
Hossa
Montoya...see ya...

Staal
Draft Pick
Lets do this...Sign me up!
That's a pretty brutal deal for the Pens.

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12-14-2007, 01:24 PM
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update

ESPN insider (however reliable that is???) claims that Huet is on the Pens Radar. Whoever said a veteran goalie would be the only logical move should think again. And Huet is no "experienced vet". He may be 32 but his career high in games is 42. Montoya played 40 last year in Hartford and is a considerably better investment considering that Huet and Montoya are likely to command similar packages.

The Pens are going to be forced to give up some young component for a goalie, Habs aren't taking Gary Roberts... no sense in getting a temp when a permanent fixture is readily obtainable. Plus, how much longer can they REALLY give Fleury?

So again

Prucha
Malik
Montoya
(maybe even a late round pick; 5, 6...)

Staal
3rd rounder

have to realize that next year we won't be playing the pens 8 times anymore. It'll be down to 6, which is only 2 more than they'll be playing Les Habs. Plus even if Montoya did kill us even in two games against the Pens, id be willing to get that Jordan Staal would easily "steal" us two games back against some other opponent.

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12-14-2007, 01:27 PM
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because fleury sucks
True. But what the hell has Montoya proven?

Montoya is nickels in a bank as far as other teams are concerned.

Just because he's a good prospect doesn't mean he's so good that people would give up some of the league's best to have him in a trade bundle for them.

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12-14-2007, 02:53 PM
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because fleury sucks
No he doesn't...he just hasn't be allowed to develop properly. A couple years sharing time with a veteran and instructions with a solid goalie coach is all he's ever needed and never gotten.

I understand that you want to see J.Staal in Ranger blue, I do too, but with his slow start and and injury to MA won't make the Pens trade him to NY. Pens should be looking at Dallas and Marty Turco rather than NY and Al Montoya.

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lol jeez some of you guys are real dreamers.

also before saying Fleury sucks please name me some goalies who are 23 years old with 160 games 150 of which are starts and yet has maintained a save percentage over 900 playing on a defense as bad as what the Pens have had for the last 3 seasons?

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12-14-2007, 10:28 PM
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NYR Receive:
- Staal
- Whitney

Pitt Receive:
- Malik
- Montoya
- Baranka
- perhaps a 1st/2nd round pick

was this meant to be a joke?

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12-14-2007, 10:34 PM
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ESPN insider (however reliable that is???) claims that Huet is on the Pens Radar. Whoever said a veteran goalie would be the only logical move should think again. And Huet is no "experienced vet". He may be 32 but his career high in games is 42. Montoya played 40 last year in Hartford and is a considerably better investment considering that Huet and Montoya are likely to command similar packages.

The Pens are going to be forced to give up some young component for a goalie, Habs aren't taking Gary Roberts... no sense in getting a temp when a permanent fixture is readily obtainable. Plus, how much longer can they REALLY give Fleury?

So again

Prucha
Malik
Montoya
(maybe even a late round pick; 5, 6...)

Staal
3rd rounder

have to realize that next year we won't be playing the pens 8 times anymore. It'll be down to 6, which is only 2 more than they'll be playing Les Habs. Plus even if Montoya did kill us even in two games against the Pens, id be willing to get that Jordan Staal would easily "steal" us two games back against some other opponent.
so we take your underachieving winger in Prucha, maybe a late pick, a young goalie that we dont need(Fleury being injured does not mean we need a goalie who isnt even in the NHL it means we need a vet to step in while he is out of the lineup) the future between the pipes in Pittsburgh is Fleurys we arent looking for somebody else to fill that roll and Malik for our 19 year old nearly 30 goals in rookie season Staal who as you have pointed out will have the ability to be stealing games off opponents in the future.

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