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Which current roster has the most Hall of Famers?

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04-05-2004, 07:11 AM
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Cujo is no hall of famer.
Amen to that! Even if he gets a cup (most likely as a back up... but we can talk about that elsewhere) he barely merits getting mentioned with those guys. No room for mediocre goalies with minimal accomplishments (again, some will dispute this, but I think you should have won a atleast a Vezina or Hart before you qualify as a goalie! The Clancy doesn't get you anything.) GAAs of 2.5x in years where most stars are posting closer to 2.0x, no cups or other hardware? Take him off the list.

Detroit is an easy pick, as we know how their vets rank all time. I don't see any mention of NJ, and they've got a few possibles. Colorado is another fairly easy pick. This thread could probably be answered by running a list of the oldest teams, as most of the really old guys are also former if not current superstars. I guess NYR qualifies using this logic!

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To make the HOF you need more than numbers to make it. The player would have to had made an impact on the game or be one of the VERY best at the time (and for a decent amount of time). And also international achievements should be considered. Remember, it's the Hockey Hall of Fame

eg. Bernie Nicholls and Vinny Damphousse have over 1000 points. At least 1200 I think. But they aren't deserving of HOF status. Why? They were never the best in the league for a sustained amount of time.

And of course just because you don't have the numbers doesn't mean you should be excluded. eg. Bob Gainey didn't have great numbers but is deserving since he is known as one of the best defensive forwards ever.

Impact matters a lot too. Igor Larionov is one example. His NHL numbers aren't great but his international resume is impressive. But even more importantly, he was one of the very first Russians to make it to the NHL. And they did it by fighting the system and not having to defect. This paved the way for future Russians to go to the NHL. Who knows, maybe if Larionov, Fetisov etc. didn't do that then the NHL would have had to wait longer for the Russians to come over.
True dat. Don't forget about old man Makarov! He's probably still the oldest calder winner ever! I never think about HOF and international play in terms of direct correlation, but it kind of makes sense. They wouldn't get chosen to represent their countries unless they were considered among the best, so it's kind of redundant. Point taken though. Paul Henderson has less than 500 career pts, but what an impact in '72!

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I would have to say that Sundin is pretty certain to get in at the end of the day. He has almost 1100 points so far, so he's on pace to have at least 1300 by the time he retires. Has 465 goals now, so will end-up with somewhere between 500 & 600.
He is a 9 time NHL All-Star (7 consecutive), 4 time Swedish Elite League All-Star.
He was voted on to the 2nd All-Star team in 2001-2002.
Was Captain of the World All-Star team in 2001-2002.
Was Captain of the Swedish Olympic team 2002.
Named to First All-Star teams of both the 1991 Canada Cup tournament and the 1996 World Cup tournament.
Captained the Swedish 2003 World Championship team where he won the Silver Medal. He was named the best forward, tournament MVP as well as being named to the all-star team in that tournament.
Was the first Swedish player to record 1,000 career points.
Has only missed 23 regular season games since 1995.
Is currently 5th on the all-time scoring list for the Maple Leafs, will probably end up 2nd or 3rd all time, but could easily end up 1st.

He might not be a slam-dunk to get in, but he does have the credentials to make a pretty good argument…

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In my opinion, the HoF should be reserved for the best of the best. Guys who left a notable mark on the game. Just being a 'star' isn't enough, this has to be a star among stars. Guys with impressive resumes that include individual accomplishments, awards and/or team success.
How can you claim this, yet then go on to say that Naslund and Bertuzzi are going to make the Hall of Fame?

Robert Reichel is a good comparison to Naslund in terms of career stats. Is Reichel a HOF'er? Of course not.

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How can you claim this, yet then go on to say that Naslund and Bertuzzi are going to make the Hall of Fame?

Robert Reichel is a good comparison to Naslund in terms of career stats. Is Reichel a HOF'er? Of course not.
Gimme a break. Reichel to Naslund?

The novice might see the two as equal, but Reichel had his best years in the 'Golden Age' of scoring. He was NEVER among the league leaders in any major catagory.

Naslund was and is. He has been one of the best players in the league for several seasons, voted a 1st team All-Star and even winning a Pearson (has Reichel ever won ANYTHING!?!?!?). Naslund has been one of the best players in the entire league for 3 seasons and counting. Reichel hasn't even been the best player on his own team for 3 seasons total.

I know you are trying to make a point, but you can do far better. Comparing Reichel to Naslund is just flat-out looney.

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