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12-26-2007, 10:07 PM
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Perreault is at 65% this year... which is still amazing.

Meanwhile Lapierre is at 61.4% which is great for a young guy...

Perreault is however now at a paste of 8 goals this year...


While at it, here's the score of all of our centers:

Saku: 55.4
Smolinski: 48.6
Plekanec: 46.9
Chipchura: 45.2
Grabovski: 30.4

Maybe we can offer Perreault a faceoff coach job next year?
Inflated stats anybody? He played what? 6 games?

Let's just hope it lasts.

I like what I'm seeing from lappy on the PK, but he's definately playing way too much at ES.. and he's far being from the player he was last year.

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12-27-2007, 07:22 AM
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61% success rate on faceoffs since his callup, and was at 77% for the night in Atlanta.

As much flak as he gets for not being aggressive enough and taking stupid penalties, he's winning key faceoffs for the Habs and playing a much more quiet, yet effective style. Carbo has seemingly taken him under his wing, and despite him not being a great penalty killer do you feel he can become a smart defensive specialist or will he remain a 4th line energy player?

I compared him to Lemieux(minus the scoring touch) some years back and although he played some very stupid hockey towards the end of last year, his faceoff success has been very encouraging.

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Lapierre is a 4th liner. That's it, that's all. I prefer him winning face offs than banging people and running away from potential fights. He needs a guy like Laraque on his wing to come back to his original shift disturber style.

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12-27-2007, 11:38 AM
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Also don't forget .. this kind of player works best in pressure situations. It's not even midseason right now. Last season we saw him up during the pressure cooker of the last few weeks of the season when the team was desperate to make the playoffs. This kind of player thrives on pressure situations, end of season playoff runs, playoff series pressure cookers. Right now he's just adapting to the faster pro game, and learning to play defensively a bit. He'll raise his game closer to the end of the season.

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12-27-2007, 11:44 AM
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lapierre has been good IMO on the penalty kills, but 5 on 5 he has been very ineffective. he hasn't been playing the way he did last year when he was able to draw penalties and generated a bit of offence.

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12-27-2007, 11:55 AM
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Inflated stats anybody? He played what? 6 games?

Let's just hope it lasts.

I like what I'm seeing from lappy on the PK, but he's definately playing way too much at ES.. and he's far being from the player he was last year.
It's out of 101 faceoffs... so it is statistically significant.

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12-27-2007, 11:58 AM
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Inflated stats anybody? He played what? 6 games?

Let's just hope it lasts.

I like what I'm seeing from lappy on the PK, but he's definately playing way too much at ES.. and he's far being from the player he was last year.
It's out of 101 faceoffs... so it is statistically significant.

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12-27-2007, 12:01 PM
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I love Lapierre .. your suggestion that he plays like Claude Lemieux is totally spot on. Another comparisson could be to Kenny "the rat" Linsman. Teams win championships with players like Lapierre on their roster. He'll never score 50 goals .. but while he's on the ice he'll give the other team's 50 goal scorer a nervous breakdown.

Would love to see a Lapierre Lattendresse pairing far more often.
Your comparing Lapierre to a guy who had 807 pts in 860 games in the NHL, was a point per game right of the bat of his career, and another guy who could put up a consistant 50 pts per year and is probably one of the alltime best playoff warriors.

I'm sorry, but Lapierre is not, and will not be anything close to those guys.

I do think he can be an effective 4th liner for a few years however, I don't see any seasons of more than 30-35 pts in him though.

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12-27-2007, 12:06 PM
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It's out of 101 faceoffs... so it is statistically significant.
compared to who? Koivu with over 1000?

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12-27-2007, 12:19 PM
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compared to who? Koivu with over 1000?
No, it's just means that the stats reflects Lapierre ability with a certain accuracy. It has nothing to do with Koivu or anyone else.

I am oversimplifying here, but let's say that in stats, you can start giving significant credentials after 30 draws. That's all.

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12-27-2007, 01:19 PM
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No, it's just means that the stats reflects Lapierre ability with a certain accuracy. It has nothing to do with Koivu or anyone else.

I am oversimplifying here, but let's say that in stats, you can start giving significant credentials after 30 draws. That's all.
30 draws?..thats what...3games?..
It also depends on who he faced for faceoffs..

It takes a lot more time to say he's reliable and consistent on faceoffs

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12-27-2007, 01:30 PM
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61% success rate on faceoffs since his callup, and was at 77% for the night in Atlanta.

As much flak as he gets for not being aggressive enough and taking stupid penalties, he's winning key faceoffs for the Habs and playing a much more quiet, yet effective style. Carbo has seemingly taken him under his wing, and despite him not being a great penalty killer do you feel he can become a smart defensive specialist or will he remain a 4th line energy player?

I compared him to Lemieux(minus the scoring touch) some years back and although he played some very stupid hockey towards the end of last year, his faceoff success has been very encouraging.

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I dont like what i've seen from Lapierre this year..the guy got called up from AHL..and did nothing to impress any of us..he isnt playing particularly better than Begin..Dandenault..Kosto..
I dont know if its because of the Boston incident..but he has to pick it up and go back to the way he played last year

And i think comparing him to Lemieux is an insult..
Both of them have the pest look..But what made Lemieux THAT much more annoying was the fact that he could score a lot too..
He also checked a lot more than Lapierre and was a lot more imposing..
He also dropped the gloves when he had too and was a dirtier player

Lapierre will never have the offensive output Lemieux had...i strongly doubt that..but he can work on the rest..he should add more weight and take boxing classes

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12-27-2007, 01:49 PM
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Which is the wrong thing to do.. Sure it's great if he can play good defensive hockey, but you gotta develop the natural assets of a player and once they are experts at their craft, then try to slowly round out their game.
I disagree, John Madden was an offensive player turned into a defensive player and it worked well. I like how Lapierre is changing his game, defensive forwards with size, who can play the PK and excell on faceoffs are extremely important. His "pest" game will come back when he rounds out his game. Besides, a lot of people labeled him as a future defensive center back when he was drafted. Despite many of Carbo's flaws, he's been doing very well with the young players.

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12-27-2007, 03:32 PM
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Your comparing Lapierre to a guy who had 807 pts in 860 games in the NHL, was a point per game right of the bat of his career, and another guy who could put up a consistant 50 pts per year and is probably one of the alltime best playoff warriors.

I'm sorry, but Lapierre is not, and will not be anything close to those guys.
I think you are taking me somewhat out of context. All I said {and meant} is that the TYPE of ROLE Lapierre fills is as a **** disturber, someone who annoys and pesters the other team's top guns, and drives them to distraction. At the same time, he tries to crash and bang, and play well defensively while trying to put in a few pucks now and then once in awhile.

I mentioned those hall of fame names, specifically because they are well known, and everyone understands what their "role" was. We all do that when trying to describe the "style of play" or the "role" a player tries to fit on a team. It certainly does not mean however, that we're saying the player will ever achieve THAT LEVEL of skill or success.

If you say someone plays a butterfly style like Patrick Roy, or is an offensive defenseman, of a style similar to Paul Coffey, you aren't saying the player is as GOOD as them.

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I think you are taking me somewhat out of context. All I said {and meant} is that the TYPE of ROLE Lapierre fills is as a **** disturber, someone who annoys and pesters the other team's top guns, and drives them to distraction. At the same time, he tries to crash and bang, and play well defensively while trying to put in a few pucks now and then once in awhile.

I mentioned those hall of fame names, specifically because they are well known, and everyone understands what their "role" was. We all do that when trying to describe the "style of play" or the "role" a player tries to fit on a team. It certainly does not mean however, that we're saying the player will ever achieve THAT LEVEL of skill or success.

If you say someone plays a butterfly style like Patrick Roy, or is an offensive defenseman, of a style similar to Paul Coffey, you aren't saying the player is as GOOD as them.
No worries, I just don't think he plays like those two players at all, having hated Ken Linesman for years

I would qualify his defensive responsibility as mediocre at best, and since his call-up he has not been in anyone face... Compared to the other 'pests' in the league right now, he is average, some people don't want to hear it, but he was sent down to the A for a reason, and Carbs said it clearly (poor defensive responsibility).

There is a good chemistry with Latendresse though, and I think the coaches should try and develop that more to get a few duos going. (Higins/Koivu, PLeks/Kovalev)

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12-27-2007, 06:33 PM
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30 draws?..thats what...3games?..
It also depends on who he faced for faceoffs..

It takes a lot more time to say he's reliable and consistent on faceoffs
Please read carefully I said "you can start giving significant credentials..."

I won't explain the whole statistical theory... but say he draws 65% after 30 draws... you can be sure he is not a 10% type of guy.

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