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01-04-2008, 11:19 PM
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My attempt at a fair 3 way trade

Keep in mind this is just to see if it can be done because I see a lot of these and it usually is a poor attempt so I want to see if I can.

Gives

Vancouver
Mitchell
Pyatt
1st Round Pick in 08

San Jose
Marleau
Goc

Chicago
Ruutu
Barker
2nd round pick in 09

Receives

Vancouver
Ruutu
Goc
Chicago's 2nd round pick in 09

San Jose
Barker
Pyatt
Vancouver's 1st rounder in 08

Chicago
Marleau
Mitchell

Vancouver has great depth on defense so Mitchell, who is a rock, wouldn't be missed too badly, especially when Bieska gets back assuming he can play like he can. Pyatt is a solid depth player who's a proven 30-40 point man. The 2nd rounder might be a bit low (20th-30th) but the draft is deep and a lot of good or even great players could be had at that point.

San Jose has great depth offensively. With Pavelski and Bernier rounding into form, Setoguchi coming up and Clowe coming back eventually, scoring should be no hardship so Marleau (the best player in this trade) and Goc wouldn't cause a massive rift in the scoring.

Chicago has youth and lots of it. With Toews and Kane running the show (well, Toews has to heal up first) and Seabrook and Sharp in the mix too, the Hawks should be a huge threat soon and could even make the post season this year if they get hot.


Vancouver gets Ruutu, who is a solid point man and great agitator aswell as Goc who looks like a great young player getting a bit muffled in San Jose's deep system. The 2nd round pick could go anywhere from 40th to probably 55th overall which is still a great place to pick in draft like 09s.

San Jose gets Barker who is a huge and talented player. Going with Carle, Vlasic and Erhoff that'd be a viscous top 4 in a the near future. They also get Pyatt who can chip in some depth and soften the blow from losing Marleau. They also get that first round pick which sound be a great one

Chicago gets Marleau, a great center who is very stable and can play first or second line minutes if Toews improves like he can. They also get Mitchell who would stablize that offensively minded defense they seem to have.


I know it's not perfect but I think it addresses a lot of needs for each team and I think it's fair overall. Tell me if it can be improved or just flame away at my stupid oversightedness.

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01-04-2008, 11:21 PM
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I don't know if Vancouver will give Mitchell for that cheap price easpecially what he costs to them......

Vancouver loses.....

Mitchell>>>Ruutu
Pyatt=Goc
They give first rounder>>get second round back

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01-04-2008, 11:24 PM
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I think it's actually pretty good. Vancouver definatley gets the short end of the stick though. I don't get why they give up a first.

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uneven..vancouver gives up too much and gets too little and chicago makes out very well for themselves.

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01-04-2008, 11:25 PM
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I don't know if Vancouver will give Mitchell for that cheap price easpecially what he costs to them......

Vancouver loses.....

Mitchell>>>Ruutu
Pyatt=Goc
They give first rounder>>get second round back
That was my only issue. I know Mitchell is worth a lot but I was hesitant to make Chicago's 2nd a 1st since there's no way they would trade a 1st in 09 despite getting Marleau and Mitchell...if 09 wasn't the Tavares lottery, I'd have made it a first.

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I don't know if Vancouver will give Mitchell for that cheap price easpecially what he costs to them......

Vancouver loses.....

Mitchell>>>Ruutu
Pyatt=Goc
They give first rounder>>get second round back
Pyatt=Goc? Goc has scored 13 goals over the last 2 1/2 seasons. The Canucks don't need another 4th line plugger, Pyatt atleast gives you 20 goals/40 points. This whole trade is retarded, there is no way Mitchell gets moved, and certainlly not to another western conference team. Mitchell is the last defenseman the canucks would move, and he has a NTC anyways so it's not even worth discussing. Not to mention the Canucks give up a 1st round pick in a good draft, to take it in the ass even more. Replace Mitchell with Bieksa, and take out the 1st and it's little more respectable from a Canucks perspective.

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01-04-2008, 11:36 PM
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No chance in freaking hell. You obviously don't watch the Canucks much if you think we wont miss Mitchell a lot. He plays against other teams top lines and anchors our PK. He's one of the reasons Bieksa was so good last season. I like Ruutu but he isn't doing much offensively, and has comparable numbers to Pyatt. Goc is a PK specialist, who isn't very useful when we have similar type players. Giving up our st pick and receiving a first doesn't make matters any better.

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01-04-2008, 11:48 PM
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Mitchell is untouchable. Unless for a serious overpayment

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01-04-2008, 11:51 PM
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Ok, I see the Mitchell idea was poorly implemented. It's hard to value a player like that especially when I can't see him play often. If I swapped Bieska for Mitchell and made Vancouver's first a 2nd would it be more satisfactory?

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As a Sharks fan, I wouldn't do it.

Barker is nothing special, and really fills no need for the Sharks. We already have Douglas Murray in that role, who is playing as one of our better defensemen this year. Murray is actually bigger than Barker, as well. Not ot mention, we have 6'5 Wishart on the way.

Pyatt is a 3rd or 4th line winger who has yet to make 40 points in a season, and has only gone over 20 points twice in a six-year NHL career.

Goc is only in his 3rd season (and already has one 23 point season), and came into the league as an offensive center. He was the 2nd-line center as a rookie on the Sharks before the the JT trade. When JT came he was asked to completely re-focus his game and become a defensive center. He did that quite well, and with the arrival of Torrey Mitchell is now finally getting a chance to play an offensive role as the 2nd-line LW. He's not putting up a lot of points yet, but he's probably the best Sharks player along the boards, and combining that with his speed make him a great player for the Sharks current dump-and-chase method of entering the zone.

Marleau is Marleau, and despite a down year, I expect his game to improve back to where it was, if not this season, then next.

Pyatt, Barker, and a 1st wouldn't get you Marleau alone, let along Goc and Marleau.

I'm sure some other SJ fans will disagree.. but hey, that's why we all get the chance to chime in.

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That's ridiculously in favour of Chicago. Canucks take major step backwards come playoffs.

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The Canucks get killed in this proposal.

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01-05-2008, 01:28 AM
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The Canucks get killed in this proposal.
That was the intent of this trade ... to kill the Canucks. May as well trade places in the standings between Chicago and Vancouver as a part of the trade.

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More of the above, Canucks get screwed etc etc.

They especially won't move Mitchell because he is the rock on our Shutdown unit which has very impressive for the past 2 seasons even though he has been paired with Edler, Salo, Ohlund, Miller, Krajicek, Bieksa and probably Weaver/Fitzpatrick/Bourdon sometime. He and Kesler mean more to the team than any "fair" trade. Massive overpayment would be required

But for people in the future making proposals with the Canucks, there is something they need to know: OHLUND, SALO, AND MITCHELL ALL TOOK DISCOUNTS TO STAY HERE, THEY ALL HAVE NTC's AND WILL MOST LIKELY NOT WAIVE THEM ***ESPECIALLY OHLUND WHO WILL NOT WAIVE HIS, EVEN IF THE TRADE IS MASSIVE PVERPAYMENT***

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I don't know if Vancouver will give Mitchell for that cheap price easpecially what he costs to them......

Vancouver loses.....

Mitchell>>>Ruutu
Pyatt=Goc
They give first rounder>>get second round back
I wouldnt say Mitchell is more valuable in a trade than Tuomo Ruutu. I'm sure the Canucks wouldnt move him for Tuomo because Willie is great defensively and all but you have to at least aknowledge Ruutu's potential here.

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I wouldnt say Mitchell is more valuable in a trade than Tuomo Ruutu. I'm sure the Canucks wouldnt move him for Tuomo because Willie is great defensively and all but you have to at least aknowledge Ruutu's potential here.
You probably have not watched many Canucks games this and past seasons.

Mitchell consistently shuts down other (1+)-point-per-game players. Ruutu is nowhere near producing 1+ point per game. On top of that Mitchell leads Canucks D and is considered as one of the candidates to be promoted to a captain. Ruutu can not match this kind of contribution that Willie brings to Vancouver team, so yes for the Canucks Willie >>> Ruutu.

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If Marleau was actually a 30 point player, this would be fair for the sharks.

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uneven..vancouver gives up too much and gets too little and chicago makes out very well for themselves.
nucks gets screwed with their pants on in the deal

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mitchell is our top pairing defenceman

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You probably have not watched many Canucks games this and past seasons.

Mitchell consistently shuts down other (1+)-point-per-game players. Ruutu is nowhere near producing 1+ point per game. On top of that Mitchell leads Canucks D and is considered as one of the candidates to be promoted to a captain. Ruutu can not match this kind of contribution that Willie brings to Vancouver team, so yes for the Canucks Willie >>> Ruutu.
Did you read my post? I know he's great defensively and I know the Nucks wouldnt trade him for Ruutu. I just said that Ruutu has amazing potential and in square value Mitchell = Ruutu isnt that far off.

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Did you read my post? I know he's great defensively and I know the Nucks wouldnt trade him for Ruutu. I just said that Ruutu has amazing potential and in square value Mitchell = Ruutu isnt that far off.
Yes, I read your post and it still doesn't make sense. There is no square value, there is a value to a team, so your "=" is meaningless.

Also, "potential" is not equal to quality since there is a risk involved. Mitchell brings quality while Ruutu brings only a potential for it.

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For a 3-way proposal, it's probably the most fair one I've seen, but Vancouver loses out.

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