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If the Kings need a goalie, I think that the Sabres would make good trading partners. Who do you want, Biron or Noronen? And, what would you be willing to give up for either?
Eric Belanger and a pick for Noronen. He's cheaper and younger right?
lol. Was I that obvious? Well a 24 or under good skater or blue chip prospect are also welcome.
I think Garon is in an almost identical situation to Kiprusoff or Giguere before they were moved and blew up. I don't remember Giguere doing much of anything in Calgary but he was drafted the highest and hyped the most as a prospect out of juniors- Kiprusoff and Garon have had good word of mouth for a couple years but are getting old enough it's time to prove it, which Kiprusoff has done in a big way. I see why you want more, but I think Garon is worth the same as what Kiprusoff and Giguere brought back- a second rounder.
I think Garon is in an almost identical situation to Kiprusoff or Giguere before they were moved and blew up. I don't remember Giguere doing much of anything in Calgary but he was drafted the highest and hyped the most as a prospect out of juniors- Kiprusoff and Garon have had good word of mouth for a couple years but are getting old enough it's time to prove it, which Kiprusoff has done in a big way. I see why you want more, but I think Garon is worth the same as what Kiprusoff and Giguere brought back- a second rounder.
Which has more value to a team? 1. Garon who is playing as a backup for the next 5-7 years in Montreal, taking time away from another cheaper player who could do the job or a 2nd rounder.
Let me put this another way. If you have 3 NHL ready goalies, you usually only dress 2, so the 3rd sits in the minors (refining his game/whatever). If all three goalies have 5-7 years of hockey left, what is the value to the team if goalie 3 spends it in the minors (nothing).
At least w/ a draft pick you can get a player that will help in the future otherwise you are sitting on an asset that isn't being used.
Now I am not saying that a fair trade would be a young goalie w/ potential for a 9th, but I am saying that sitting on extra players or keeping them in the minors for a few years when they can play now is bad asset management.
I see the Kings making a serious run at Garon as well as drafting a goalie in the first round (10th or higher pick at this point) unless they can move up for Malkin or Ovechkin (doubtful).
I do think that the fact that as good as Garon seems to be, there are others that are thought of as equally talented who are also available and, as has been pointed out, there are only a handful of teams who will be A) looking for a number one and B) interested in making a player who has been a back up thus far, the player they are willing to gamble on becoming their number one.
That aside, Garon is a great young goalie and should draw some serious interest. I don't think though that it is right of you to set perameters of what you would take for him. The Habs, though not a favorite to win the cup are certainly not the longest shot either. To me, and lots of people, this means you are right close and since you also Already Have one of the best depth amoung young players, it MIGHT be a veteran that pushes you over the top.
In other words, while we ALL would love to keep adding young cheap superstars to our team, situations don't always make that the only or best posibility.
Garon,Gerber and many other dandys make each other less valuable. Whoever is traded for or signed away first will set the market.
If you weren't so loaded with young talent and so close to being truly competitive then I too would say 1 for 1 young talented player as my choice. Since neither of those situations are in play. Here are the following players available from the Kings that would be a big help to your team who I would think available. Package them any way you like (without being nutter) and see if any of it works.
Eric Belanger. 26 year old that is 6'2" and a clutch scorer. One of the top face off men in the game. In fact, I would say this about him, remember when Yanic Pearuelt (sp) came to the Habs? This is who Eric Belanger is. They are ineterchangable (from when Yanic where 26). He is also cheap. He had his first offish year for the Kings but, I wouldn't truly call out any Kings players for this year (with the exception of Anson "I play 20 bloody minutes a game for the last 15 and I am -7 and have ONE assist" Carter. Eric would be a nice pick up who plays Pivot and both wings. Scores when it counts. Has 32 points this year. Makes less than $700k. Proven young veteran from Montreal.
Arron Miller. One of the best number two defencemen in the game when he is on. He has had his steady brilliant games this year and his average ones. He had an injury plagued year but it was a hand injury and then a pinched nerve. Both are now fixed and his last couple of games have been excellent for a VERY terrible team. His Salary is over $3mill so the Kings will have to eat some if they move him.
A great pick veteran pick up who could be seriously helpful to the Habs.
(neither of these two are what I would want from your pov alone but they are solid starting points and the kind of players who help push teams over the top. Belanger would let you finally walk away from Yanic once and for all as he is cheaper, better and younger than him).
While I would HATE to lose this kid, he is absolutely the business and deserves significantly better treatment than he is getting in LA. Mike Cammelleri.
He scored 8 goals in 11 games while receiving 12 mins per. He were on fire when Andy (I used to be a pretty solid coach but never good at how I managed my assets) Murray bent him over and sent him to the "energy line" and then when he didn't continue scoring with those players and even less ice time (over an 5 game period) Andy sent him down. Rubbish.
I don't want to lose him. He plays center AND wing and is fast as coffee and bran muffins and has the lords own hands. He is small, but so are lots of great talented scoring forwards. You lot have the big guns to protect him and make even more room for him. He is the real deal and I wouldn't even breath his name if it weren't for the fact that I don't see him getting close to a fair shake with Andy at the helm.
I would say a package of Cammelleri(though I hope not) and Belanger (or Miller or one of the following young defencemen) for Hainsey and Garon would be a starting place for a deal. Cammelleri is the real talent for the Kings part and Garon for you lot. Hainsey would be where we would be balancing the difference between the two and we would also be giving you one of them two vets to balance that out.
Tomas Zizka. Zizka is a big 25 year old defenceman who is a great skater and passer with a cannon of a shot. He is a redunt player for the Kings who have Visnovsky/Corvo/Grebeshkov and Dempsey all equally capable (Vis is the best of all of them but the others are all equal) of doing the same job. This season was his break out year and he saw about 20 games before he was sent down due to numbers. During that time he started slow for about 4 games and then became a stud. We stopped winning and playing as well as we were when they sent him down. His speed and shot make him a solid talent but, the fact that he has learned how to read the play and anticipate well is what makes him valuable to any NHL team.
He would be an excellent #2pp unit QB and maybe more in a season or so.
Aron Rome. He is a stud. He hits, is nasty and scores with the best of them. The kings hold his rights but have yet to sign him. I would rather they keep him but, I would deal him and a 5th round pick to get Garon. Sounds unfair on the Kings part right? Aron Rome is thought to be one of the best young defencemen the Kings have seen since Blake and we are dead loaded on the Bluey.
We have others but these are the best of what I would offer.
We have the 10th or higher pick in this years draft and would use that as part of a deal as well but would want something back our way.
I see the Kings making a serious run at Garon as well as drafting a goalie in the first round (10th or higher pick at this point) unless they can move up for Malkin or Ovechkin (doubtful).
I do think that the fact that as good as Garon seems to be, there are others that are thought of as equally talented who are also available and, as has been pointed out, there are only a handful of teams who will be A) looking for a number one and B) interested in making a player who has been a back up thus far, the player they are willing to gamble on becoming their number one.
That aside, Garon is a great young goalie and should draw some serious interest. I don't think though that it is right of you to set perameters of what you would take for him. The Habs, though not a favorite to win the cup are certainly not the longest shot either. To me, and lots of people, this means you are right close and since you also Already Have one of the best depth amoung young players, it MIGHT be a veteran that pushes you over the top.
In other words, while we ALL would love to keep adding young cheap superstars to our team, situations don't always make that the only or best posibility.
Garon,Gerber and many other dandys make each other less valuable. Whoever is traded for or signed away first will set the market.
If you weren't so loaded with young talent and so close to being truly competitive then I too would say 1 for 1 young talented player as my choice. Since neither of those situations are in play. Here are the following players available from the Kings that would be a big help to your team who I would think available. Package them any way you like (without being nutter) and see if any of it works.
Eric Belanger. 26 year old that is 6'2" and a clutch scorer. One of the top face off men in the game. In fact, I would say this about him, remember when Yanic Pearuelt (sp) came to the Habs? This is who Eric Belanger is. They are ineterchangable (from when Yanic where 26). He is also cheap. He had his first offish year for the Kings but, I wouldn't truly call out any Kings players for this year (with the exception of Anson "I play 20 bloody minutes a game for the last 15 and I am -7 and have ONE assist" Carter. Eric would be a nice pick up who plays Pivot and both wings. Scores when it counts. Has 32 points this year. Makes less than $700k. Proven young veteran from Montreal.
Arron Miller. One of the best number two defencemen in the game when he is on. He has had his steady brilliant games this year and his average ones. He had an injury plagued year but it was a hand injury and then a pinched nerve. Both are now fixed and his last couple of games have been excellent for a VERY terrible team. His Salary is over $3mill so the Kings will have to eat some if they move him.
A great pick veteran pick up who could be seriously helpful to the Habs.
(neither of these two are what I would want from your pov alone but they are solid starting points and the kind of players who help push teams over the top. Belanger would let you finally walk away from Yanic once and for all as he is cheaper, better and younger than him).
While I would HATE to lose this kid, he is absolutely the business and deserves significantly better treatment than he is getting in LA. Mike Cammelleri.
He scored 8 goals in 11 games while receiving 12 mins per. He were on fire when Andy (I used to be a pretty solid coach but never good at how I managed my assets) Murray bent him over and sent him to the "energy line" and then when he didn't continue scoring with those players and even less ice time (over an 5 game period) Andy sent him down. Rubbish.
I don't want to lose him. He plays center AND wing and is fast as coffee and bran muffins and has the lords own hands. He is small, but so are lots of great talented scoring forwards. You lot have the big guns to protect him and make even more room for him. He is the real deal and I wouldn't even breath his name if it weren't for the fact that I don't see him getting close to a fair shake with Andy at the helm.
I would say a package of Cammelleri(though I hope not) and Belanger (or Miller or one of the following young defencemen) for Hainsey and Garon would be a starting place for a deal. Cammelleri is the real talent for the Kings part and Garon for you lot. Hainsey would be where we would be balancing the difference between the two and we would also be giving you one of them two vets to balance that out.
Tomas Zizka. Zizka is a big 25 year old defenceman who is a great skater and passer with a cannon of a shot. He is a redunt player for the Kings who have Visnovsky/Corvo/Grebeshkov and Dempsey all equally capable (Vis is the best of all of them but the others are all equal) of doing the same job. This season was his break out year and he saw about 20 games before he was sent down due to numbers. During that time he started slow for about 4 games and then became a stud. We stopped winning and playing as well as we were when they sent him down. His speed and shot make him a solid talent but, the fact that he has learned how to read the play and anticipate well is what makes him valuable to any NHL team.
He would be an excellent #2pp unit QB and maybe more in a season or so.
Aron Rome. He is a stud. He hits, is nasty and scores with the best of them. The kings hold his rights but have yet to sign him. I would rather they keep him but, I would deal him and a 5th round pick to get Garon. Sounds unfair on the Kings part right? Aron Rome is thought to be one of the best young defencemen the Kings have seen since Blake and we are dead loaded on the Bluey.
We have others but these are the best of what I would offer.
We have the 10th or higher pick in this years draft and would use that as part of a deal as well but would want something back our way.
Punchy, you are offering way, way, way to much for Garon. Garon has proven that he can be a backup and deserves a shot at being a true number 1. But he hasn't been a #1 and hasn't had to handle the #1 work load. And teams don't spend as much time reviewing his play for weaknesses.
Considering the number of other viable options and number of available young goalies, I thing Garon is way over valued here. Why pay highend talent when there are other options, including Biron of Buffalo.
Punchy, you are offering way, way, way to much for Garon. Garon has proven that he can be a backup and deserves a shot at being a true number 1. But he hasn't been a #1 and hasn't had to handle the #1 work load. And teams don't spend as much time reviewing his play for weaknesses.
Considering the number of other viable options and number of available young goalies, I thing Garon is way over valued here. Why pay highend talent when there are other options, including Biron of Buffalo.
As a Sabre fan, I was just thinking the same thing. Buffalo will be looking to move someone this summer and the merits of whether it's Biron or Noronen or Miller aside, but they will be somewhere in the mix of netminder moves.
Punchy, you are offering way, way, way to much for Garon. Garon has proven that he can be a backup and deserves a shot at being a true number 1. But he hasn't been a #1 and hasn't had to handle the #1 work load. And teams don't spend as much time reviewing his play for weaknesses.
Considering the number of other viable options and number of available young goalies, I thing Garon is way over valued here. Why pay highend talent when there are other options, including Biron of Buffalo.
I think I just said it wrong. (although you may be right as well)
What I were offering were for *any* of the potential #1 goalies in the game who are likely to be moved this summer (for you lot) a combination of the above players.
For Garon and Hainsey I were offering Cammelleri and Belanger.
Or the Habs could have a peek at what else I would be willing to put on the table and try to make a package or a player that would make sense to them.
After reading my post it looks like I were offering more or all of them for Garon and am sorry for that.
I would say (was trying to say) that Garon/Gerber/Biron/Norenen/Miller and a couple of others out there should be able to be picked up for a package containing one of the players I listed as a starting off point and then we could balance things out either way if needs be by adding other players or payroll to fix it up.
Sorry for not putting it right to start.
Belanger/Cammelleri
for
Garon/Hainsey (or equal prospect)
The Kings need to make space and the 26(7soon) Belanger plays a great game but the Kings have been drafting his type of player over the past few years and need the spot opened for one of them. Belanger is better suited to a team that is closer to the cup.
I love Cammelleri and feel that as long as Andy is coach that he won't get a fair shake (I feel the same is in store for several of our young players) and that is why I would move him in the deal.
Garon is unproven and a bit of a risk as is Hainsey but if they pay off we could have our first real goalie since Vachon and in Hainsey another defencemen to add to what I and many feel is the deepest young defencive core in the game.
Belanger would be an instant great addition to the Habs and give then cap room by who they could move due his being there. Cammelleri can and will score in the NHL as proven. I think it favours the Habs but since we are the ones knocking on their door, I figured we would have to make the deal sweeter.
Same for Biron/Norenen and the rest. I fancy Gerber would be a grand #1 and has proven so in ANa. I would love to nab him for Belanger and a little extra as I would any of the the Buff lads. (though I fancy Gerber to be the better of them lot even though they are right bloody grand)
In the end though, I am rubbish at these things so you could be absolutely right.
I have a strong feeling that trading Garon would turn into a big mistake for the habs(but anyway just for fun):
here are some randoms offers just want to know your opinions:
1- Garon,Hainsey to LA
Brown to MTL
2- Garon to NYR
Lundmark to MTL
3- Garon,Zednik,1st pick to Philly
Gagne,Carter to MTL
4- Garon to STL
Belle to MTL
5- Garon,2nd pick/Hainsey or Hossa to Ottawa
Volchenkov to MTL
I have a strong feeling that trading Garon would turn into a big mistake for the habs(but anyway just for fun):
here are some randoms offers just want to know your opinions: 8- Garon to Edmonton
Rita,Chimera to MTL
9- Garon,Hainsey to Edmonton
Brewer to MTL
so what you guys think ?
No thanks from edmonton's POV. Rita hasn't been given up on yet, and I still see him being a pretty good player. I would rather see what conklin and markkanen can do for a full season than bring in a similar goaltender. As for teh second, no way that happens, hainsey hasn't proved anything yet and is close to being labeled a headcase. Brewer won't be moved for anything less than a top center I would think.
I have a strong feeling that trading Garon would turn into a big mistake for the habs(but anyway just for fun):
here are some randoms offers just want to know your opinions:
1- Garon,Hainsey to LA
Brown to MTL
2- Garon to NYR
Lundmark to MTL
3- Garon,Zednik,1st pick to Philly
Gagne,Carter to MTL
4- Garon to STL
Belle to MTL
5- Garon,2nd pick/Hainsey or Hossa to Ottawa
Volchenkov to MTL
6- Garon to Ottawa
Vermette to MTL
7- Garon,Hainsey to Phoenix
Morris to MTL
8- Garon to Edmonton
Rita,Chimera to MTL
9- Garon,Hainsey to Edmonton
Brewer to MTL
10- Garon to LA
Boyle to MTL
11- Garon to LA
Gleason to MTL
12- Garon,2nd pick to Philly
Carter to MTL
13- Garon to Ottawa
Patrick Eaves to MTL
so what you guys think ?
Substitute Noronen for Garon in these trades. Are any feasable? ((Obviously substitute Montreal picks/prospects for buffalo picks/prospects)
