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01-15-2008, 04:49 PM
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i was also curious...interesting good, or interesting bad?

as a rookie, any input on picks (good, bad, or ugly) would be great.

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Can you elaborate on "interesting"?
It means just that. My first impression is... "Interesting" ... it's a catch-all phrase for what piques my interest, perhaps because I don't know what to think about the value of the player, don't know the player, am conflicted about relative worth, am of two minds somehow or simply find them worthy of more consideration by myself.

Goldsworthy is not an interesting pick. I knew he'd go early and so I decided not to put him on my list of possibles as he's a right winger with several pretty good candidates at that position on my list I wouldn't have drafted him before the 4th round, by which time of course he'd be gone.

Cude is interesting because he was a late round third stringer by stat-junkie pnep a couple of main drafts ago and i recall he had a couple of all-star selections and was a little guy from a long time ago. I'm not sure what to make of him as a starter. Interesting. Would like to hear more about him, think about it.

Tommy Smith is from the earliest era and I don't get a clear sense of how he'd do in an all-time context, how good was he compared to his contempories? Hmmm..


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BM67 could ya please post the link to the BBsports (something like that) website, the one that listed heights/weights. My computer got wiped a few months ago and I lost the link. Thanks.

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01-15-2008, 05:27 PM
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Goldsworthy is not an interesting pick. I knew he'd go early and so I decided not to put him on my list of possibles as he's a right winger with several pretty good candidates at that position on my list I wouldn't have drafted him before the 4th round, by which time of course he'd be gone.
He can just go under the "awesome pick" category

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01-15-2008, 06:09 PM
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The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add a leader that was a player/coach before he turned pro in 3 time all-star at RW

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Hmm. You have him as a RW, but I see LegendsOH has him in the HHOF section, under defenseman? Meh, I'm probably wrong, maybe someone else can check that?

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01-15-2008, 06:23 PM
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Minor trade deal between the Redmen and Leafs:

to Nelson: picks 20, 37
to McGill: picks 21, 36

Nelson to confirm.

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01-15-2008, 06:25 PM
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Minor trade deal between the Redmen and Leafs:

to Nelson: picks 20, 37
to McGill: picks 21, 36

Nelson to confirm.
nelson confirms the above mentioned deal

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01-15-2008, 06:47 PM
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A little more on the pick of the great Hobart "Hobey" Baker.

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By the time he entered Princeton University in 1910, Baker was an extremely well-rounded sportsman. The budding star led the Tigers through an undefeated season in 1911-12 that culminated in an intercollegiate championship. As a rover, he was given the freedom to improvise and display his immense ability all over the ice. Baker became well known for his end-to-end rushes and an unheard level of stamina that enabled him to dominate an entire game. He was such a one-man show at times that the Princeton squad came to be known as "Baker and Six Other Players."
All in all, Baker was the first great American hockey star. As said above, he had unbelievable skill and stamina, as well as great discipline and sportsmanship when playing the game. He was even known to venture into the opposing teams dressing room after games, to congratulate them on a game well played, although that won't be happening any time in the future.

Baker will most likely be our teams #1 defender, and because of his great stamina, will probably be playing 25-30 minutes a night, at least. Pitseleh and I look forward to having Baker lead our back end.

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01-15-2008, 06:55 PM
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Granted it isn't the most impartial of sources, but a couple of quotes from hobeybaker.com:

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There are those wrote during Baker's era, just before the Great War, that he was the greatest athlete who ever lived.
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As for athletics, it was further written that he was "phenomenal." In the 1909-10 season, his senior year, the St. Paul's team defeated Princeton, the Tigers' only loss that year. He would later lead Princeton to a pair of hockey championships as well as stunning the opposition on the football field. After his junior collegiate season in 1913 he was proclaimed "The Wonder Player of Hockey."

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01-15-2008, 07:02 PM
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Tommy Smith is from the earliest era and I don't get a clear sense of how he'd do in an all-time context, how good was he compared to his contempories? Hmmm..
A little more detail on Tommy Smith, as compared to his NHA peers...

When comparing NHA careers, Smith sits fourth in goals behind Joe Malone, Newsy Lalonde, and Didier Pitre – outscoring both Jack Darragh and Odie Cleghorn (all of which were drafted in ATD#8). Smith however, turned to coaching when these greats were making a name for themselves in the NHL. The following tables provide a statistical comparison (all stats courtesy of ‘Legends of Hockey’) between Smith, Malone, and Lalonde. In the five years in which these three played in the NHA (1912-1917), Smith led the league in scoring twice (1913-14, 1914-15). Smith, a linemate of Malone, was also a key component of the dominant 1912-1913 Quebec Bulldogs Stanley Cup winning team. He was a goal-scoring dynamo, leading numerous professional leagues in goal-scoring including: NHA, MPHA, IHL, and OPHL(a year in which Lalonde racked up 29 goals).

TOMMY SMITH
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11OPHL182222
1911-12MPHA185353
1912-13NHA183939
1913-14NHA203945
1914-15NHA194044
1915-16NHA221619
1916-17NHA14711

JOE MALONE
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11NHA1399
1911-12NHA182121
1912-13NHA204343
1913-14NHA172428
1914-15NHA121621
1915-16NHA242535
1916-17NHA194149

NEWSY LALONDE
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11NHA161919
1911-12PCHA152727
1912-13NHA182525
1913-14NHA142227
1914-15NHA747
1915-16NHA242834
1916-17NHA182835

NHA Career Goals Leaders

PlayerGPGoals
Joe Malone124179
Newsy Lalonde108163
Didier Pitre127156
Tommy Smith95143
Odie Cleghorn120134
Jack Darragh131124


Finally, When referencing Lalonde's 9 goal game, “Legends of Hockey” states:
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On March 11, 1910, he scored nine goals in one game, an NHA record that was never beaten and only equaled by Tommy Smith.
Additionally, though listed on ‘Legends of Hockey’ as a Centre, Smith is listed on Wikipedia as a Right Wing.


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01-15-2008, 07:11 PM
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Like I said I wasnt that prepared. And I like my picks. I know they might be too early but damn...Baker!

Didnt think he was still there.

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01-15-2008, 07:13 PM
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And yet he was tall. Well, he was 5'6, which wasn't short then (25 years later, Aurel Joliat was 5'6 and a mere 135 pounds!!). And he wasn't a shrinking violet. Bowie threw checks and got physical.
So, while Bowie was on the small side (a 1903 player not a 1933 or 1973 or 2003 player size) he was a guy who threw checks, not a puff. And Bowie was a tough spirited player

Never said he was a wimp. He may have been tenacious and not shy from physical play, but that doesn't mean he won his battles, or that you wont have to surround him with linemates that can handle the dirty work. His tenacity will help him, but that doesn't mean he won't get pushed around, 122 pounds is 122 pounds. Let him rely on his skating ability to get up the ice, and his teammates to create room.
And don't get me wrong, I like the pick. I think Bowie is a fine player, and if you put him with the right linemates, he will likely be one of the more dominant offensive forces in the draft.

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01-15-2008, 07:39 PM
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I applauded MXD and Eagle for this selection when they became the first to ever pick Baker in the last draft, and I'll applaud it again, I probably would have given Hobey a long, long look, but I have the feeling that hockey's ultimate bastian of sportsmanship might have some philosophical problems with the team that raleh and I want to build.
I know pitseleh won't do such a mistake...well... I hope so... but don't give to Baker the kind of teammates we gave them last draft... Having Paul Holmgren on the same team than Baker would have been okay... only if we would not have added an even bigger punk. Take a look at our roster and you'll realize the big nonsense of having "THAT GUY" patrolling the blueline on the same team than Hobey Baker.

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BM67 could ya please post the link to the BBsports (something like that) website, the one that listed heights/weights. My computer got wiped a few months ago and I lost the link. Thanks.
http://www.bballsports.com/

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Hmm. You have him as a RW, but I see LegendsOH has him in the HHOF section, under defenseman? Meh, I'm probably wrong, maybe someone else can check that?
He played most of his career as a RW, but played a year as Eddie Shore's partner on D in the WHL. He played only one game in the NHL, and that might have been as a D as well.

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He played most of his career as a RW, but played a year as Eddie Shore's partner on D in the WHL. He played only one game in the NHL, and that might have been as a D as well.
Ah, all right, fair enough.

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TOMMY SMITH
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11OPHL182222
1911-12MPHA185353
1912-13NHA183939
1913-14NHA203945
1914-15NHA194044
1915-16NHA221619
1916-17NHA14711

JOE MALONE
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11NHA1399
1911-12NHA182121
1912-13NHA204343
1913-14NHA172428
1914-15NHA121621
1915-16NHA242535
1916-17NHA194149

NEWSY LALONDE
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11NHA161919
1911-12PCHA152727
1912-13NHA182525
1913-14NHA142227
1914-15NHA747
1915-16NHA242834
1916-17NHA182835

NHA Career Goals Leaders

PlayerGPGoals
Joe Malone124179
Newsy Lalonde108163
Didier Pitre127156
Tommy Smith95143
Odie Cleghorn120134
Jack Darragh131124


Finally, When referencing Lalonde's 9 goal game, “Legends of Hockey” states:


Additionally, though listed on ‘Legends of Hockey’ as a Centre, Smith is listed on Wikipedia as a Right Wing.
Looks like the goalie position was yet to be created back then

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FYI, I will not be picking for about 4 hours. I need to research.
Yikes. Do you make a trip down to the archives or something?




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01-15-2008, 09:56 PM
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It means just that. My first impression is... "Interesting" ... it's a catch-all phrase for what piques my interest, perhaps because I don't know what to think about the value of the player, don't know the player, am conflicted about relative worth, am of two minds somehow or simply find them worthy of more consideration by myself.

Goldsworthy is not an interesting pick. I knew he'd go early and so I decided not to put him on my list of possibles as he's a right winger with several pretty good candidates at that position on my list I wouldn't have drafted him before the 4th round, by which time of course he'd be gone.

Cude is interesting because he was a late round third stringer by stat-junkie pnep a couple of main drafts ago and i recall he had a couple of all-star selections and was a little guy from a long time ago. I'm not sure what to make of him as a starter. Interesting. Would like to hear more about him, think about it.

Tommy Smith is from the earliest era and I don't get a clear sense of how he'd do in an all-time context, how good was he compared to his contempories? Hmmm..
OK, I like your explanation.

Now that I have a moment... Wilf Cude's career was relatively short, even by 1930's standards, but he did manage to lead the league in GAA and was the Vezina runner-up in 1934. He was also the Stanley Cup Finalist that year. In 1936 and 1937 Cude made the second all-star team. He was the only remaining goalie to be a two-time member of a postseason all-star team or two time vezina winner/runner up, so I'm fairly satisfied. There was already slim pickings left for goalies when this started, and now that's especially true!

Now, for our 2nd pick, we select D Bob Murray - steady Chicago Blackhawks mainstay, solid at both ends of the ice, two time ASG participant. 514 Career points, and 112 playoff games with 56 points.

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With Bert Corbeau patrolling the Boston Cubs blueline, the Leafs felt the need to add a big, physical, intimidating blueliner to create some room for Tommy Smith to shine.

That being said, the Nelson Leafs are pleased to select two-time Stanley Cup champion (1912-13, 1917-18) defenceman... Big Harry “Mum” Mummery

Though known for his defensive prowess and physical intimidation, Mummery was no slouch when it came to offence – racking up 52 points in 106 NHL games, including a career-high 15 goals in 1920-21. Furthermore, as Captain of the Stanley Cup wining Toronto Arenas (1917-18), Mummery recorded 6 assists in 5 games.

In an article about Joe Hall (http://www.geocities.com/kinhobo/hall.html)
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The following season saw the Bulldogs again dominate. Joe moved back to point to make room for his new defensive partner, Harry Mummery. Mummery was a thoroughly intimidating figure. Well over six feet tall in skates and nearly 250 pounds, Mummery led the league that year in penalty minutes, pummeling into submission anyone that got in his sights. If a player managed to elude Mummery's bulk, there was Bad Joe Hall waiting right behind him. Hall and Mummery's crushing style of defense allowed the team's offense to shine.

For the next three seasons, Hall and Mummery continued to be the most feared defensive pairing in the league, although as Bulldogs they never again won the Stanley Cup, losing the chalice to the Toronto Blueshirts the following season.
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Big Harry Mummery was a large man in his era. In size, he compared to the xxxx boys--xxxx, xxxx and xxxx. What set "Mum" apart was that he could rush off the defensive line despite that large frame. A goaltender facing a fast charging 220 pound colossus could be excused if he flinched and allowed a goal.

When Michael J. Quinn declined to have the team play the inaugural season of the National Hockey League, the Toronto team claimed his services in the dispersal draft. Mummery's defensive work was key in Toronto winning a second Stanley Cup for the Queen City.

During this time, Mummery worked as an engineer or fireman on the Canadian Pacific Railway. According to Tim Daly, the long-time Toronto trainer, it was not uncommon to see Mummery rush in with a raw steak, plop it on to a freshly washed shovel and then cook it in the dressing room pot-bellied stove.
Interestingly, Mummery also ended his career with three professional appearances as a goaltender, including 2 wins and 1 loss.


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Now that I have a moment... Wilf Cude's career was relatively short, even by 1930's standards, but he did manage to lead the league in GAA and was the Vezina runner-up in 1934. He was also the Stanley Cup Finalist that year. In 1936 and 1937 Cude made the second all-star team. He was the only remaining goalie to be a two-time member of a postseason all-star team or two time vezina winner/runner up, so I'm fairly satisfied. There was already slim pickings left for goalies when this started, and now that's especially true!
Cude is a great pick. I didn't even bother searching for his name in the main draft assuming he'd definitely be gone.

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Nice to see Big Mum drafted again. I believe I'm the only one who's taken him before.

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The Redmen of McGill are pleased to select the wingman of their top pivot, an ol' teammate of Dubbie Bowie's from a century ago:



Blair Russel

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Blair Russel was an excellent two-way player throughout his career as an amateur with the Montreal Victorias, though he was often overshadowed by the great Russell Bowie.

Russel played centre when Bowie was at his usual position of rover, but he shifted to right wing when Bowie moved up to forward. This pair made as potent a scoring threat as there was in hockey at that time, amateur or professional.

He scored 110 goals in 67 games and once registered seven goals in a game against the Shamrocks, in 1904. He also had a six-goal game and a five-goal game to his credit during his career. Like many of the finest players of his time, Russel was a very clean player who was equally adept at scoring or checking.
In a vote conducted at the time by daily newspapers in Toronto and Montreal, Russel was named to an All-Star team along with such greats as Bowie, Harvey Pulford, Frank McGee, Alf Smith, and Billy Gilmour. Like him, all of these players are members of the Hockey Hall of Fame.
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The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add a sniper that scored a hat-trick in five consecutive games at center/right wing

Ernie Russell

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He played on four Stanley Cup champions while with the Wanderers--1906, 1907, 1908, and 1910. Although he played for the Wanderers, Russell maintained a membership in the Montreal Amateur Athletic Association for football and other sports. This fact did not sit well with the membership and they expelled him. As a result, he did not play hockey during the 1908-09 season.

Russell returned to action the following season and played until 1914, his last four years being with the Wanderers of the NHA. He was a fast skater and an accomplished stickhandler, and although he weighed only about 140 pounds he averaged nearly two goals per game over his career.

He is perhaps best remembered for scoring a hat-trick in each of five consecutive games and for amassing the incredible total of 43 goals in only nine games during the 1907 season. That 1907 season proved to be a good year off the ice for Russell as well. He played halfback with the Montreal AAA that year when they won the Dominion Rugby Championship of Canada.
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The Moose Jaw Minutemen are pleased to select great Hall of Famer Defenseman/Winger Jack Laviolette, who will play as a Defenseman.



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He began his organized hockey career in the Montreal City League and moved to the Montreal Nationals of the Federal Amateur Hockey League in 1904, finishing sixth in league scoring with eight goals in six games. He moved to the Michigan Soo Indians of the International Hockey League the following season where he scored 40 goals over three seasons and was named to the IHL First All-Star Team in 1905 and 1907 along with a being made a Second Team selection in 1906.
He returned to Montreal in the fall of 1907 to play for the Shamrocks of the Eastern Canadian Amateur Hockey Association for two seasons before joining the National Hockey Association's Montreal Canadiens in their inaugural season of 1909-10. Ambrose O'Brien owned the Canadiens at the time and named Laviolette as a playing manager (team captain) for that season.

Laviolette played on his only Stanley Cup winning team in 1915-16 when the Canadiens defeated the Portland Rosebuds 3-2 in a best-of-five series hosted by Montreal. The series marked the first time that an American-based team had played for the Cup. Jack Laviolette played for two more seasons before an off-season accident ended his hockey career.

While tuning a car for a planned tour of Quebec in the summer of 1919, Laviolette crashed and lost his right foot in the mishap. His playing days were over. A benefit game for Jack was arranged at the Mount Royal Arena during the winter of 1921. Not only was he the guest of honour but he also refereed the game.
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A true "Jack-of-all-trades", Laviolette was an offensively gifted defender entrusted by the team owner as coach, manager, and captain of the Canadiens. Laviolette's true place in hockey history has less to do with his scoring prowess as a player (as a defenseman,he scored 45 goals in 147 games) for the Montreal Canadiens, and more to do with the fact that he was the first player, coach and GM of the team in the 1909-10 season.
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