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01-18-2008, 02:12 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure having Brodeur has had nothing to do with it.
Brodeur is a good goalie, dont get me wrong, but having good players and a decent strategy in front of him eases the pressure off Brodeur. They work their opponents down so that the only shots they can take are ones Brodeur can stop. Sure theres the occasional goal or a god-like save, but the obvious idea is to get your skaters to keep that to a minimum instead of relying on a god-like save.

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Tell me, what's our backup plan for trading Lundqvist? Joe Average in net?
Strawman alert.

The solution or lack thereof has nothing to do with the argument that, if a solution were to come along, Lundqvist might have to go.

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The concept of synergy doesn't work in pro sports, except perhaps basketball.

In the NFL you can't win without a QB. You don't trade a franchise QB.

In baseball, you can't win without good pitching. Sure, you can try, but ask the Mets what a great lineup without solid pitching does. The '96-'03 Yankees proved this. The lineup can be interchangeable save for one or two key pieces. You win with pitching.

In hockey, you can't win without a good goalie. You can try, but the Rangers teams of the not so distant past show that no matter how good the rest of the team is, a bad goalie dooms you.

You can argue synergy all you want, but it can't happen by weakening the key position on the team.
Then whats the point of the rest of the team? You can have a great guy in said "key positions" and still fail miserably. You can have an awesome goalie in net, but if your defense lacks an ability to keep attackers at bay, your opponents will set up, create a play, and score a goal that not even God can stop*.

I think youre being a little idealistic, acting as though the whole game rests on good goaltending. It really doesnt. You dont need to shutout your opponents every night, just score more than they do.

*: Can God create a play so awesome that not even he can stop it?


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01-18-2008, 03:15 PM
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Trade Lundqvist?

What the **** is this garbage???

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01-18-2008, 04:02 PM
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Lundqvist for Iginla and Kiprusoff!? hell no!

that is what it seems like the attitude is. If Lundqvist could get even just a Lecavlier or Iginla or equivalent...cool with me.

But the real point is, as some have stated - you have to build and select players around a system philosophy (NJ's Lou Lam and Detroit's mgmt are the best at this) . Lundqvist is a fine goalie to have in pretty much any system they go with...so no NEED to trade him. BUT if there is a player of a high calibre and he fits the system...i'm all for it. (BUT i am a guy who doesn't believe that teams live and die by the goaltending....bad goaltending kills, but BAD goalies don't last anyway and there are a lot of pretty good goalies in the league...)

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01-18-2008, 04:12 PM
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Sorry, an answer from a Bruins fan...

Big NO for this offer, keep Lundquist, we have absolutely no need for him and asking basically for all our top prospects and a 1st for him ist just nuts, really. Timmah is playing better than Lundquist this season and next season with Fernandez healthy we got one of the best goalie pairings in the league, in 2 years Rask, the best goalie prospect in the world together with Price, will be close to be ready for the starting job. So no, thx. Rask + 1st for Lundquist, maybe with a prospect like Hunwick added would be the only offer Boston would make.
+1 agree 100% the Bruins don't need Lundquist at all.

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01-18-2008, 07:03 PM
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... Strawman alert.

The solution or lack thereof has nothing to do with the argument that, if a solution were to come along, Lundqvist might have to go...
So, can we close this highly hypothetical thread until "this solution comes along"?

The solution is this team finding it defensive- work ethics and awareness that we had from the last all-star break until this december, trading your goalie is not going to help this teams' GAA.

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01-18-2008, 08:11 PM
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Sorry, I missed all the replies. I must say again, that if you read my first post I said I was asking a question would it be worth it. I am sorry but my loyalty is to the sweater, not the player. I asked if an offer came along should we do. With the salary of Gomez, Drury, and what Hank will sign for we are in trouble. I agree we need to see what the deal is with Montoya. As for the other trades I did aim high, but look at what was given up last season for Guerin, Tkachuk ,Zhitnik and you will see that you have to aim high and who knows. I am sorry that I pissed off so many of you, it was not meant to do that just get some discussion going and see what was thought. As far as all the comments I have had coming back at me, I have been a Ranger season ticket holder for 19 years and I bleed red, white and blue. All three of my kids came home from the hospital after birth wearing Ranger jerseys. All I was doing was trying to findout what we could possibly get for Hank, and who would want him. Also he is my favorite player right now on the Rangers.

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01-18-2008, 08:55 PM
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Trading Hank is certainly not the answer. Every successful franchise is built around a goalie, and that goalie will probably want a fair market salary. If we want to go anywhere, we need a goalie and if it isnt Hank, it will be someone else who will want just as much money. Hank has proven himself in the past and is the perfect goalie to build the team around.

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01-18-2008, 11:31 PM
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He's "overrated" for a reason.

Well, let's see, the following "in New York Rangers' 7th round choice ( 205th overall) in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft"

Two Vezina trophy nominations! One of the sexiest men in People Magazine? His stats are way beyond the initial expectations of him. I mean we grabbed him 7th round. I didn't see everyone up and over him initially as they were with Brodeur (1st round, 20th pick).

Now I'm going to dump some stats here:

2005-2006 Rangers 53 3,111 30 12 - 9 116 1,485 2 2.24 .922
2005-2006 Sweden Olympics 6 360 5 1 - 14 0 2.33 (Lundy got a gold medal for Sweden)
2006-2007 Rangers 70 4,108 37 22 - 8 160 1,927 5 2.34 .917
2007-2008 Rangers 41 2,444 20 17 - 4 96 1,032 6 2.36 .907

Brodeur's first three seasons with the Devils (Brodeur also won a couple of goals for Canada I think as well)

1993-1994 Devils 47 2,625 27 11 8 - 105 1,238 3 2.40 .915
1994-1995 Devils 40 2,184 19 11 6 - 89 908 3 2.44 .902
1995-1996 Devils 77 4,433 34 30 12 - 173 1,954 6 2.34 .911

Clearly you can see that Lundqvist isn't that overrated. Please go back to school.
Overrated!

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01-19-2008, 09:35 AM
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He's "overrated" for a reason.

Well, let's see, the following "in New York Rangers' 7th round choice ( 205th overall) in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft"

Two Vezina trophy nominations! One of the sexiest men in People Magazine? His stats are way beyond the initial expectations of him. I mean we grabbed him 7th round. I didn't see everyone up and over him initially as they were with Brodeur (1st round, 20th pick).

Now I'm going to dump some stats here:

2005-2006 Rangers 53 3,111 30 12 - 9 116 1,485 2 2.24 .922
2005-2006 Sweden Olympics 6 360 5 1 - 14 0 2.33 (Lundy got a gold medal for Sweden)
2006-2007 Rangers 70 4,108 37 22 - 8 160 1,927 5 2.34 .917
2007-2008 Rangers 41 2,444 20 17 - 4 96 1,032 6 2.36 .907

Brodeur's first three seasons with the Devils (Brodeur also won a couple of goals for Canada I think as well)

1993-1994 Devils 47 2,625 27 11 8 - 105 1,238 3 2.40 .915
1994-1995 Devils 40 2,184 19 11 6 - 89 908 3 2.44 .902
1995-1996 Devils 77 4,433 34 30 12 - 173 1,954 6 2.34 .911

Clearly you can see that Lundqvist isn't that overrated. Please go back to school.
Couple of things, I think Brodeur was much younger when he came into the NHL and you cant compare stats with stats from 15-20 years ago. The game is not as open as it was then, Ludqvists stats are better then Patrick Roy's too, I guess he is better then him too.

Also, there are at least 7-8 goalies better right now then Lundqvist!

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01-19-2008, 03:51 PM
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i hope todays game ends this ridiculous thread.

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01-19-2008, 04:27 PM
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Henke

He is a franchise goalie, maybe hasn't played up to his ability for a few weeks, goalies go thru that. He is not replaceable, not so for anyone else on our team jmho. Besides, no team is going to blockbuster a superstar for anyone, why would they? How about Malik, Mara and a third rounder for a very good offensive player??
Other clubs aren't going to help us, we have to get going ourselves.


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01-19-2008, 08:16 PM
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You have to be insane to even consider trading Henrik. Montoya has shown no signs of taking the next step to be a NHL starter for one. And you need to worry about improving the team in front of Lundqvist not get rid of him. Purging the team of guys like Hossa, Malik, Jagr and maybe even Mara and Straka would be a much better plan than trading one of the guys you can build a solid team around.

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01-20-2008, 12:11 AM
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that wouldn't even do it for me. he's untouchable
LOLOLOLOL

wolski and stastny are going to be superstars in the league.
dont get me wrong lundqvist is a great goalie and all, but
now worth BOTH of them

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01-20-2008, 12:19 AM
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LOLOLOLOL

wolski and stastny are going to be superstars in the league.
dont get me wrong lundqvist is a great goalie and all, but
now worth BOTH of them
Wow. Just wow.

You sir have been entered into the vault of my people with no hockey common sense, along side Isles20

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i hope todays game ends this ridiculous thread.
Yeah dude, he stood on his head.

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Wow. Just wow.

You sir have been entered into the vault of my people with no hockey common sense, along side Isles20
is that DP39 kid in that vault too?

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is that DP39 kid in that vault too?
He's in a different vault..... that of which I probably shouldn't say.

Anyway, how about those Wolski and Stastny guys right? Those superstars man they are playing off their head, I can see those guys surpassing many of the real superstars.. oh wait..

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