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01-19-2008, 08:16 AM
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Long stick for a forward-Pros/Cons

I'm aware of the short stick=better puck handling, long stick=poke check etc. But I have heard in some different places forwards should play with a long stick. I have to believe there's more to the stick length than just the stickhandling. What do you guys find are pros/cons of the longe stick for forwards?

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Longer sticks give you more shot power too, shorter sticks allow you to get the shot off quicker and higher.

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Jason Spezza, Joe Thornton, Eric Staal, etc, all use long sticks and they are great stick handlers. It takes practice to master stickhandling with a long stick.

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Longer sticks obviously allow for better puck protection as well.

They allow you to keep the puck further away from your body, so if you use your body to protect the puck often it will help that aspect of the game. This is of course assuming you use distance to protect the puck rather than stickhandling/keeping it in your skates.

The difference in stickhandling is pretty substantial IMO. Its a completely different feel.

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I can't imagine what bigger guys in the league do like Zdeno Chara. He's like 6'-9 or something. That would put him at like 7' with skates.

I would imagine that he would have his sticks made special.

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Jason Spezza, Joe Thornton, Eric Staal, etc, all use long sticks and they are great stick handlers. It takes practice to master stickhandling with a long stick.
Agreed. If you can master stickhandling with a long stick tho. You'll have a distinct advantage over other players b/c of the extra reach you have. It's worth learning IMO

Long Stick Pros: More Reach, Poke Check, Hard shots
Long Stick Cons: Harder to take quick snap shots, hard to deke down low

Short Stick Pros: Easy to take quick shots, easy to master stickhandling, easy to deke in traffic
Short Stick Cons: Harder to defend with, Harder to beat a defender 1 on 1.

But it's not how long your stick is, it's how you use it

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I'm 6'4", and have always used a very, very long stick (up to my lips on skates), and not to brag, but I am easily the best stick handler on my team.

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Agreed. If you can master stickhandling with a long stick tho. You'll have a distinct advantage over other players b/c of the extra reach you have. It's worth learning IMO

Long Stick Pros: More Reach, Poke Check, Hard shots
Long Stick Cons: Harder to take quick snap shots, hard to deke down low

Short Stick Pros: Easy to take quick shots, easy to master stickhandling, easy to deke in traffic
Short Stick Cons: Harder to defend with, Harder to beat a defender 1 on 1.

But it's not how long your stick is, it's how you use it
tell that to Crosby, Hossa, etc

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I'm a forward and I love long sticks. I like my stick up to my forhead. I'm a great stickhandler. I feel more comfertable with a longer stick.

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tell that to Crosby, Hossa, etc
Ok, Ok, you win. It's harder to beat a defender 1 on 1 with a shorter stick UNLESS you're an elite top 10 hockey player in the world.

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You can practice to become equally proficient with either stick.
Just focus on what feels better for the way you play.

Factors such as your skating style could influence your decision. If you skate low to the ice a shorter stick may compliment your skills better. The opposite is also true.
If you tend to play defense or as a defensive forward you may be more effective with a longer stick because of the increased area in which you can reach to poke check the puck or reach an opponent.

I would also focus on what kind of shot you have. If you tend to chip pucks in close or release quick snap shots from around the crease a shorter stick might help. If you take bigger slap shots or big wristers from the point a longer stick might help.

Essentially just focus on what kind of game you play and then think of what length of stick would compliment that the best. If you still don't know just come back and tell us how you play.

I usually play on the wing so I prefer to have a longer reach because it helps me to pick off passes to clear the puck out of our end and get break aways. That is just the way I prefer to play and therefore a longer reach helps with that. No gear will really make you better at one thing or another but the right gear can help to compliment your main skills.

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You can practice to become equally proficient with either stick.
Just focus on what feels better for the way you play.

Factors such as your skating style could influence your decision. If you skate low to the ice a shorter stick may compliment your skills better. The opposite is also true.
If you tend to play defense or as a defensive forward you may be more effective with a longer stick because of the increased area in which you can reach to poke check the puck or reach an opponent.

I would also focus on what kind of shot you have. If you tend to chip pucks in close or release quick snap shots from around the crease a shorter stick might help. If you take bigger slap shots or big wristers from the point a longer stick might help.

Essentially just focus on what kind of game you play and then think of what length of stick would compliment that the best. If you still don't know just come back and tell us how you play.

I usually play on the wing so I prefer to have a longer reach because it helps me to pick off passes to clear the puck out of our end and get break aways. That is just the way I prefer to play and therefore a longer reach helps with that. No gear will really make you better at one thing or another but the right gear can help to compliment your main skills.
A lot of what you said describes how I play, or see things. I play forward most of the time, only end up on defense when I come back to cover and the guy who was playing defense thinks we're switching and goes up. I like how I can pick off pucks a little further out. I'm still working on confidence enough to go through/around defenseman. I usually try to drw the D man into a spot tat opens up a teammate for a pass. I rarely take slapshots, and do little fom the point. I usually try to work around the slot or set up guys from behind the net. I'm more of a passer than a shooter. Most of my goals are from following up rushes where I just have to redirect the puck. I might gain in the offensive zone, but give up in the neutral zone on picking off loose pucks. I honestly couldn't say which is the bigger end of the transaction though.

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A lot of what you said describes how I play, or see things. I play forward most of the time, only end up on defense when I come back to cover and the guy who was playing defense thinks we're switching and goes up. I like how I can pick off pucks a little further out. I'm still working on confidence enough to go through/around defenseman. I usually try to drw the D man into a spot tat opens up a teammate for a pass. I rarely take slapshots, and do little fom the point. I usually try to work around the slot or set up guys from behind the net. I'm more of a passer than a shooter. Most of my goals are from following up rushes where I just have to redirect the puck. I might gain in the offensive zone, but give up in the neutral zone on picking off loose pucks. I honestly couldn't say which is the bigger end of the transaction though.
If you can find a long, cheaper wood stick I'd try it out for a couple games to see how it feels. After that cut it down a bit and see how it feels. This way you would be able to see first hand how you handle different lengths. It might be better to just see what you play better with rather than worrying about the attributes of the stick. Hope some of this has helped.

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I'm 6'4", and have always used a very, very long stick (up to my lips on skates), and not to brag, but I am easily the best stick handler on my team.
I've always though up to your lips was about average as a stick length in general no matter what your height. A guy also said he had his up to his forehead. Id consider that a long stick if its up to his forhead while on skates, but if not on skates then its about the same as you which is a normal cut. Whenever you are just starting out any coach/technician at your local sport store would suggest standing on your tippy toes and cutting it at the height of your nose. that way when on skates its up to your nose. Id think thatd be average.

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Ive also found that my shot is worse the longer my stick gets all together. There might be maybe a tiny bit more power on the slapshot but its not worth the trade off you have to make by generally losing stick handling abilities for that little bit of extra power on a slapper you might be able to unleash once a game.

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I've always though up to your lips was about average as a stick length in general no matter what your height. A guy also said he had his up to his forehead. Id consider that a long stick if its up to his forhead while on skates, but if not on skates then its about the same as you which is a normal cut. Whenever you are just starting out any coach/technician at your local sport store would suggest standing on your tippy toes and cutting it at the height of your nose. that way when on skates its up to your nose. Id think thatd be average.
I just meant my stick was very long compared to my teammates.

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When I use a shorter stick (up to my shoulders on skates) my back kills me. I actually found that my slap shots are much harder and more accurate with a short stick. I think because I really lean into it and use more of my legs.

Oh and has anyone every noticed how short Paul Coffey's stick was? Very unusual for a defensemen.


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I use both a long and short stick. I just goof around on the pond. My long stick i have another 2 inches of tape on the knob, i figure my pinky and ring finger are just on tape and are not on wood at all.

With my long stick. I can tip much better. Love parking my self in front of the net and i can get my blade on most anything. Takes practice knowing how to keep your stick on the ice and not get it flipped up. My passing angles are different and in some cases batter. It makes me play a more disaplined game. Do not try to thread anything.

My short stick. I make snappy descions. it makes me feel like i should skate more. I can pin point passes and shots better. I hate that a lot of tips or passes that i should get seem to go just a little to far in front of me. Playing D i like the short stick better. When i see a puck and swipe at it. I feel like i am able to get it. With my long stick i use more to lay in front of me and make the guy go around or i just tie him up easily.

I use my long stick on offense and short on defense.

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i use a longer stick as a forward. To be perfectly honest with you i cant stick handle with a short stick. I feel way to low to the ice.

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When I use a shorter stick (up to my shoulders on skates) my back kills me. I actually found that my slap shots are much harder and more accurate with a short stick. I think because I really lean into it and use more of my legs.
I used a longer stick for that reason -- I found myself hunching over a lot and my back couldn't take it. I used a longer stick for awhile but switched back to a short stick recently. Better stick handling, more power on my shot, less flex (once I cut it) to the stick were my reasons for switching back, and I adjusted my posture (bent my knees more) so I don't hunch over like before.

You may have a longer reach with a long stick but unless you have strong wrists your puck control will suffer. It's easy for opponents to lift your stick since you won't be leaning on it. The lie of your blade will become an issue -- the further you reach (or the closer you bring it to your feet) the less of your blade touches the ice. Not to mention that long sticks are just heavier than short sticks.

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I'm a forward and I love long sticks. I like my stick up to my forhead. I'm a great stickhandler. I feel more comfertable with a longer stick.
wow you must use really long sticks, i usually use a stick that comes just past my nose, maybe eye level. i used to use shorter sticks but i find i handle the puck much better with a longer stick.

i went out today and bought a new Easton Octane shaft b/c i had a Sherwood Spezza blade that was brand new and unused. it seems to have pretty good flex, i can't wait to get out and use it. My TPS Response had not been doing well for me this year.

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Some guys mentionnes players with long sticks. Someone i've seen who has a surprisingly long stick is P-M Bouchard. I've seen some sticks that he was about to receive when I was at Sher-Wod a few years ago, and they were taller then me (i'm 6ft).The guy said they were already he right length and not gonna be cut or whatever, I found that surprising because he is pretty short

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Some people probably stickhandle better with a longer stick because its farther away from their body and easier to see, therefore easier to stickhandle.

But take Kyle Wellwood for example he uses a really short stick and stickhandles really close to his body. He practiced like that, and now hes an awesome stickhandler.

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Some of the best stickhandlers in the world use shorter sticks. I use a longer stick because it's more comfortable to me. If I use a shorter stick it doesn't feel right at all and I can't even handle the puck for crap.

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I can't imagine what bigger guys in the league do like Zdeno Chara. He's like 6'-9 or something. That would put him at like 7' with skates.

I would imagine that he would have his sticks made special.
he had to get permission from the league to have a longer stick

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