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01-06-2008, 01:47 AM
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Discipline?

After a very, let's say frustrating, West Canadian trip could it be possible that we have a serious discipline problem?
-Hossa's 2 offensive zone penalties (I beleive it was vs. VAN)
-Jagr's lazy penalty tonite (I believe he had one vs. VAN too)
-Hollywood's hit from behind (Call it what you want, but why would you put yourself in that position to be called for a penalty at the end of the 3rd like that?)
-After obviously becoming a target in the CAL/VAN game by the refs, tonight Avery decides to (it wasn't on the PK was it?) go through a ref to go after a guy, again late in the 3rd and down 1
-Malik's game, all the time

I'm using tonight/recent games just for ease of remebering, but stuff like this has been happenening all season. Does this team have discilpine problem, or could the players be getting frustrated? Maybe it's me, but I've been catching myself yelling at the TV "Why would you do that?" often this season. I've also heard a lot of talk about the refs lately. We all know the refs have been brutal at points this season, but is it ALWAYS their fault? Is it at all possible that we bring it upon ourselves? I think so, I think it has a large amount to do with it.

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01-06-2008, 02:02 AM
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I think the players were frustrated a lot more than anything else this road trip, plus the officiating was horrible in all 3 games, before that, there wasn't that many dumb penalties taken really, but this road trip certainly has been bad.

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01-06-2008, 11:49 AM
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This road trip was the definition of frustration. After seemingly nice plays the puck just wouldnt go in the net, leading to more pucks not going in. Also, alot of bad calls were made, leading to alot more bad penalties taken.

Its not so much discipline as it is patience. They see they have a great team but nothing is working, which makes things not work even more.

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Cant wait for the next home game...Need some home cooking.

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we need like a major game tuesday night, give them something to play for

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I don't even understand how Hossa is still in this team.

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There were certainly bad calls in the past 3 games, but I think fustratation had alot to do with it as well. In a tie game late in the 3rd, however, I cant understand what on earth Hollweg was thinking. Do we have a discipline problem? I dont think so, but Tom Renney really needs to find a way to prevent these lazy penalties...

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There were certainly bad calls in the past 3 games, but I think fustratation had alot to do with it as well. In a tie game late in the 3rd, however, I cant understand what on earth Hollweg was thinking. Do we have a discipline problem? I dont think so, but Tom Renney really needs to find a way to prevent these lazy penalties...
And where do lazy penalties come from?

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01-06-2008, 10:10 PM
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And where do lazy penalties come from?
Lazy players of course!

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Lazy players of course!
Well played.

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Now, after the last couple games, is it still discipline, or have the refs been THIS bad?

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01-19-2008, 11:51 PM
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i have to say in my opinion there is a discipline problem. it is the same stupid penalty's every game.

but i do think the refs are not entirely innocent either. i am sitting watching the red wings-sharks game and some of the decisions are baffling.

thornton was going mad at the ref just after the end of 2nd period whistle. i also saw the blackhawks-coyotes game where the hawks got a penalty shot with 14 secs remaining in ot. you could see gretzky wasn't happy and jovo was seriously pissed.

could it be bettman has asked the refs to be more strict and pick up on every little thing in a way to possibly increase scoring.

what you guys think?

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01-20-2008, 12:33 AM
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There is NO discipline from the coaching staff that I can see. Just Rennys disgusted looks from behind the bench.

The last Ranger who was seriously benched was Michael Nylander.

THAT sent a message.

Sitting Hollywood or Hossa or Struds a game here or there means NOTHING

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01-20-2008, 12:35 AM
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Now, after the last couple games, is it still discipline, or have the refs been THIS bad?
The Devils dont average 8 penalties a game

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01-20-2008, 01:07 AM
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The refs may be bad but when you get a lot of the same penalties in every game you can't just blame them. The blame should also be pointed at the rangers. They don't skate enough and then you get penalties against you.

Jagr is lazy, this is no news but 10 years ago you could attach yourself like a backpack on the other player without getting a penalty, you can't do that anymore and he should now that by now but he is just not interested of defensive play.

Hossa seems to take a lot of stupid penalties.

They just give up too many penalties and the PK is not good enough to handle all of them.

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01-20-2008, 04:02 AM
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penalties, they're stupid

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01-20-2008, 07:11 AM
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Two calls stood out in yesterday's game. The Dubinsky non-slash left unremarked by Micheletti and Rosen (?) which led to Kobasew's first goal. The Jagr interference call in overtime--which should have been a non-call--was very borderline. The rest we deserved. The two Malik calls--early in the first and early in the third--were unforced. Marek did not have his head in the game--was weak positionally. Roszival also struggled.

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01-20-2008, 07:53 AM
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any team that uses their speed to beat the Rangers' defense is a problem. it's when this happens that we see all these calls. It's not lack of discipline so much as it is simply not being able to keep up with the opposition.

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01-20-2008, 09:27 AM
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Two calls stood out in yesterday's game. The Dubinsky non-slash left unremarked by Micheletti and Rosen (?) which led to Kobasew's first goal. The Jagr interference call in overtime--which should have been a non-call--was very borderline. The rest we deserved. The two Malik calls--early in the first and early in the third--were unforced. Marek did not have his head in the game--was weak positionally. Roszival also struggled.
Actually the Jagr call could have even gone the other way as interference. The guy clearly interfered with Jagr.

EDIT: Renney agrees with me


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01-20-2008, 10:05 AM
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any team that uses their speed to beat the Rangers' defense is a problem. it's when this happens that we see all these calls. It's not lack of discipline so much as it is simply not being able to keep up with the opposition.
Couldn't agree with you more. Teams in the NHL aren't stupid. They scout the Rangers 1-2 games before playing them. It's not hard for a scout to see all the rangers d-men getting beat to the outside 99 times out of 100 every game.

When was the last time anybody saw a rangers d-man get beat down the ice, then catch up to the onrushing forward and prevent a scoring chance????? It's sad to think, but if i can recall correctly, Tom Poti was the last d-man we had with wheels.

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