HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > National Hockey League Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
National Hockey League Talk Discuss NHL players, teams, games, and the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

The Worst Trades Ever

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-29-2004, 05:27 PM
  #1
Daryl Shilling
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 145
vCash: 500
The Worst Trades Ever

I was reading some threads at another forum, when the oft-repeated topic of the worst trades ever came up. And as usual, to listen to people talk, you'd think all of the worst deals ever happened in the last few years.

Here is an extended selection of some of the more stinky deals in the NHL's history, which I have previously studied, but not done anything with before:


1929 - Ottawa trades Buck Boucher to Mtl Maroons for Joe Lamb.
Montreal picked up Boucher (one of the 30 best offensive defenseman ever) about 10 years too late. Lamb would outscore Boucher by 191 points after the trade, which was one hell of a huge difference in those days. 99% of hockey fans have probably never hard of Joe Lamb (let alone the great Boucher) but two times he was traded for great players: he was also swapped for Cooney Weiland.

1934 - Ottawa picks the Maroons pockets again, sending the once-great, now washed-up Alex Connell for Glenn Brydson. Connell barely played afterward, while Brydson went on to have a very solid career.

1943 - Toronto traded Frank Eddolls to Montreal for Ted Kennedy.
OUCH. Eddolls played 6 games for the Habs, scoring zero points. Kennedy was a major part of 5 Stanley Cup wins in the 40s and 1951, won a Hart Trophy, and was elected to the HHOF.

Kennedy's career Normalized points: 907 GP, 295 G, 416 A, 711 NPTS.
Kennedy's COPS score puts him right between Frank Nighbor and Elmer Lach.
http://members.shaw.ca/hbtn/player_study/cops.htm

The Leafs badly fleeced the Habs here.

1957 - New York Rangers traded Johnny Bower to Cleveland (AHL) for Ed MacQueen.
Oops. I guess we can't really blame the Rangers for this. Wait, yes we can. MacQueen never played a single NHL game. Bower was a 32 year old goaltender with only 75 NHL games to his credit, that still, he went on to be one of the best ever. Johnny Bower has the 7th best career Adjusted Save Percentage (.906)
http://members.shaw.ca/hbtn/player_...adjustedsvp.htm

1960 - Toronto traded Marc Reaume to Detroit for Red Kelly
Brutal, terrible, awful trade for Jack Adams. True, he broke up the great Red Wings teams in his fury over Ted Lindsay's (and others like Carl Brewer) attempts to start a much-needed player's union, but you think he could have received more for Kelly, who's one of the ten best offensive defensemen ever. The most similar player to Reaume, in COPS? Todd Ewen. You would have to picture Brian Leetch being traded for Todd Ewen. Tough to imagine, isn't it?

1964 - New York Rangers traded Andy Bathgate and Don McKenney to Toronto for
Bob Nevin, Dick Duff, Rod Seiling, Arnie Brown and Bill Collins.
Nice deal for the Rangers. Bathgate was well past his best years by this point. Nevin turned into a real scorer, while Brown was a good defenseive player, while Seiling is one of the 20 best defensive defensemen that stats allow us to measure.

1964 - Boston traded rights to Ken Dryden and Alex Campbell
to Montreal Canadiens for Paul Reid and Guy Allen
Ok, Campbell never played an NHL game, but Reid and Allen never played in the NHL either. We all know about Dryden. Outright robbery by Sam Pollock.

1966 - Boston traded Reg Fleming to New York Rangers for Johnny McKenzie
Boy, did this one ever work out for the Bruins, who received a guy, who in five yearsin the NHL had a career best 9 goals. He scored 13 in his first 36 games with the Bruins, and went on to score 156 more in the next 6 years, contributing to two Stanley Cups. Fleming was a decent-enough player, but his best skill was with his fists, which is never nearly as valuable as scoring.

1967 - Chicago traded Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge and Fred Stanfield
to Boston for Gilles Marotte, Pit Martin and Jack Norris
Here's one of the most famous lop-sided trades ever. Espo went on to become one of the best goal scorers ever (8th best COPS player ever), Hodge would evolve into a two-time 40 goal, and one-time 50 goal scorer, and Stanfield was a very solid player as well. For his part, Martin played excellently for the Hawks, but this trade comes out nowhere near being good for Chicago.

1968 - Toronto traded Jim Pappin to Chicago for Pierre Pilote
Brutal trade for the Leafs. Pilote played 69 games for Toronto, scoring 21 points. Pappin went on to become a very good player. His COPS score of 357 sandwiches him between Danny Gare (359) and Reggie Leach (354).

1971 - Montreal Canadiens traded Ernie Hicke and 1st round pick in 1970 Amateur Draft, to California for Francois Lacombe and Seals’ 1st round pick in 1971 Amateur Draft
Trivia question: Who is Chris Oddleifson? He's the player the Seals picked when they could have had Guy Lafleur. A bad trade for the ages.

1972 - Pittsburgh traded Rene Robert to Buffalo for Eddie Shack
Sweet deal for the Sabres. All they had to give up was a guy who's time as a an ok player were effectively over, and in return they received a player that would go on to fame as part of the French Connection line with Gilbert Perreault and Rick Martin. Robert scored 552 points as a Sabre, in 524 games.

1978 - Boston traded Ron Grahame to Los Angeles for Kings’ 1st round pick in 1979 Entry Draft
Highway Robbery. In Grahame, the Kings acquired a mediocre goaltender. The Bruins used the pick from the Kings to draft Raymond Bourque...

1979 - Los Angeles traded rights to Dale McCourt to Detroit for
Andre St. Laurent and Red Wings’ 1st round picks in 1980 and 1981 Entry Drafts
McCourt was a decent player, I would never suggest otherwise. However, that 1980 first round pick turned out to be Larry Murphy, who as a defenseman, outscored McCourt by 738 points.

1980 - Buffalo traded Jerry Korab to Los Angeles for Kings’ 1st round pick in 1982 Entry Draft
The Sabres used that pick to draft Phil Housley, a sublime offensive defenseman, though weak in his own end. Korab only had 18 points left in him for the last couple years of his career.

1980 - Atlanta traded Jim Craig to Boston for Bruins’ 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick in 1981 Entry Draft
The Flames used those picks to draft Steve Konroyd and Mike Vernon. Vernon backstopped Calgary to their 1989 Stanley Cup victory, Craig backstopped the Bruins to 26 games in his short career.

1981 - Montreal Canadiens traded Rick Chartraw to Los Angeles for Kings’
2nd round pick in 1983 Entry Draft
Chartraw was on his way out by this time, and the Habs must have known it. They used the pick acquired from the Kings to select Claude Lemieux.

1982 - Philadelphia traded Rich Costello and Flyers’ 2nd round pick in 1982 Entry Draft and future considerations to Toronto for Darryl Sittler.
I know. We all know. Ballard was not exactly dedicated to winning.

1982 - Montreal Canadiens traded Rod Langway, Brian Engblom, Doug Jarvis
and Craig Laughlin to Washington for Rick Green and Ryan Walters
The Habs lose this one, big time. Langway is one of the top 5 defensive defensemen ever, Engblom also excellent. Jarvis still had some serviceavle years in him yet. Walter was a very solid acquisition for Montreal.

1983 - Los Angeles traded Larry Murphy to Washington for
Brian Engblom and Ken Houston
The Caps turned Rick Green and Ryan Walter into Rod Langway and Larry Muprhy, two Hall of Fame defensemen. Nice trading.

1983 - Montreal Canadiens traded Robert Picard to Winnipeg
for Jets’ 3rd round pick in 1984 Entry Draft
Saying that this was a big mistake for the Jets would be the understatement of the century. That draft pick turned out to be Patrick Roy.

1986 - Boston traded Barry Pederson to Vancouver for Cam Neely and Canucks’
1st round pick in 1987 Entry Draft
The Bruins got a great forward that became a huge fan favorite, as well as drafted Glen Wesley with that Vancouver selection.

1987 - Washington traded Alan Haworth, Gaetan Duchesne and Capitols’
1st round pick to Quebec for Dale Hunter and Clint Malarchuk
For what they gave up (and Hunter was definitely good) the Nordiques got so much back: that draft pick became Joe sakic.

1988 - Calgary traded Brett Hull and Steve Bozek to St. Louis for
Rob Ramage and Rick Wamsley
The Flames want this one back, I'm guessing.

1989 - Edmonton traded Wayne Gretzky, Marty McSorley and Mike Krushelnyski
to Los Angeles for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas and Kings’ 1st round picks
in 1989, 1991, 1993 Entry Drafts and cash
The BIG one. We all know about it. The Oilers won another Cup, but would they have won more with Gretzky in the lineup? It doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest their chances were better.

I'll end it with the Gretzky deal, since so much is constantly said about the bad deals of the 1990s. Weve heard about them a million times, and we'll hear about those one a million times more.

Just wanted some context to go with the usuals.

Daryl

Daryl Shilling is offline  
Old
03-29-2004, 05:53 PM
  #2
Newfie Bruin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: NL
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,056
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Newfie Bruin
Great read there. The Bruins really did make an awesome deal getting Neely and a First

Newfie Bruin is offline  
Old
03-29-2004, 07:05 PM
  #3
BM67
Registered User
 
BM67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: In "The System"
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,579
vCash: 500
1955 - Detroit traded Terry Sawchuk, Marcel Bonin, Lorne Davis, and Vic Stasiuk to Boston for Gilles Boisvert, Real Chevrefils, Norm Corcoran, Warren Godfrey and Ed Stanford in a deal that opened a spot for Glenn Hall.
1956 - Detroit traded Real Chevrefils and Jerry Toppazzini to Boston for Lorne Ferguson and Murray Costello.
1957 - Detroit traded Glenn Hall and Ted Lindsay to Chicago for Johnny Wilson, Forbes Kennedy, Bill Preston and Hank Bassen.
1957 - Detroit traded John Bucyk to Boston for Terry Sawchuk.

In this series of disasters Detroit parted with 3 HoFers and several decent forwards for a decent defenseman and a couple of depth forwards and not much else.

BM67 is offline  
Old
03-31-2004, 05:18 PM
  #4
c9orf
Registered User
 
c9orf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl Shilling
1983 - Montreal Canadiens traded Robert Picard to Winnipeg
for Jets’ 3rd round pick in 1984 Entry Draft
Saying that this was a big mistake for the Jets would be the understatement of the century. That draft pick turned out to be Patrick Roy.
But that shouldn't really qualify as a "bad trade", should it? At least not by the definition I'd use: a mistake caused by incorrect assessment of the assets changing hands. Having a third round pick turn into a Hall of Famer is a flukey thing, to say the least. In any case, the odds are that the Jets would have used that pick to draft someone else.

c9orf is offline  
Old
03-31-2004, 05:24 PM
  #5
Charge_Seven
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,631
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salad+Croutons
But that shouldn't really qualify as a "bad trade", should it? At least not by the definition I'd use: a mistake caused by incorrect assessment of the assets changing hands. Having a third round pick turn into a Hall of Famer is a flukey thing, to say the least. In any case, the odds are that the Jets would have used that pick to draft someone else.

Agreed...it's tough to say a mid draft pick for a player is ever a bad trade, as those trades are normally meant simply for the present time. I'd say that's more of a case of the Canadiens scouts picking the pockets of every other scout in the league.

Charge_Seven is offline  
Old
03-31-2004, 06:12 PM
  #6
Irish Blues
____________________
 
Irish Blues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Country: St Helena
Posts: 21,804
vCash: 500
February 1, 1986 - St. Louis acquires Eddy Beers, Charlie Bourgeois, and Gino Cavallini from Calgary for Joe Mullen, Rik Wilson and Terry Johnson


September 6, 1988 - St. Louis trades Doug Gilmour, Mark Hunter and Michael Dark to Calgary for Mike Bullard, Craig Coxe and Tim Corkery

NET RESULT: The Blues give the Flames two huge pieces they need to make their run to the Cup in 1989. The Flames give the Blues Cavallini and a bunch of players who would either do nothing or little more than nothing.


March 5, 1991 - St. Louis trades Geoff Courtnall, Sergio Momesso, Cliff Ronning, Robert Dirk and fifth round pick (Brian Loney) in 1992 to Vancouver for Garth Butcher and Dan Quinn.

NET RESULT: Butcher is a good defenseman for the Blues for a few years. Quinn is a bust. Courtnall, Momesso and Ronning go on to lead the Canucks to the Finals in 1994. This trade gutted the Blues of their team chemistry and was pointed to by many players as the main reason the team collapsed in the '91 playoffs.

__________________
No promises this time.
Irish Blues is offline  
Old
03-31-2004, 06:35 PM
  #7
trenton1
Paille Good
 
trenton1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Loge 31 Row 10
Country: Belize
Posts: 6,723
vCash: 500
Alex Stojanov (or whatever) for Markus Naslund

trenton1 is online now  
Old
03-31-2004, 06:47 PM
  #8
Colt.45Orr
Registered User
 
Colt.45Orr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,674
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl Shilling
1986 - Boston traded Barry Pederson to Vancouver for Cam Neely and Canucks’
1st round pick in 1987 Entry Draft
The Bruins got a great forward that became a huge fan favorite, as well as drafted Glen Wesley with that Vancouver selection.
Glen Wesley (after years of great service) got the Bruins McLaren and Samsonov in return.

McLaren became Hacket and Jillson -Jillson became Boyes....

In essence....

Barry Pederson

traded for

Cam Neely
Glen Wesley
Kyle McLaren
Jeff Jillson
Brad Boyes
Sergei Samsonov


If you chose to look at it that way.... I do... long live the Bruins.

Colt.45Orr is offline  
Old
03-31-2004, 06:58 PM
  #9
Daryl Shilling
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 145
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salad+Croutons
But that shouldn't really qualify as a "bad trade", should it? At least not by the definition I'd use: a mistake caused by incorrect assessment of the assets changing hands. Having a third round pick turn into a Hall of Famer is a flukey thing, to say the least. In any case, the odds are that the Jets would have used that pick to draft someone else.
I pretty much agree with you, and when I read it, I see that I didn't word it as well as I could have. I don't think it's a BAD trade, per se, in that the Jets were idiots for the deal, or were fleeced. I also, though, think that a GM needs to stand for their decisions. In this case, the Jets got Robert Picard, and the Habs ended up with Patrick Roy.

Again, I don't want that be seen as me saying that the Jets were idiots, or the Habs were geniuses for the deal. For two round of the drafts, all the clubs skipped over Roy, the Montreal included.

The deal certainly didn't work out for Winnipeg as well as it did for Montreal, in the end.

Daryl

Daryl Shilling is offline  
Old
03-31-2004, 07:20 PM
  #10
MacDaddy TLC*
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Leafin La Vida Loca
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,478
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl Shilling

1987 - Washington traded Alan Haworth, Gaetan Duchesne and Capitols’
1st round pick to Quebec for Dale Hunter and Clint Malarchuk
For what they gave up (and Hunter was definitely good) the Nordiques got so much back: that draft pick became Joe sakic.

1988 - Calgary traded Brett Hull and Steve Bozek to St. Louis for
Rob Ramage and Rick Wamsley
The Flames want this one back, I'm guessing.

Daryl
IMO, The Caps/ Nordiques deal really isn't that bad. Dale Hunter was a solid contributor for a team that thought they were closing in on a cup.

Flames won the cup they were after when they made that deal. I think they take their cup and let Hull go.

MacDaddy TLC* is offline  
Old
04-05-2004, 09:44 AM
  #11
The G Man
Registered User
 
The G Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: HF Old School
Country: United States
Posts: 11,294
vCash: 500
1981 - NY Islanders trade defenseman Bob Lorimer to the Colorado Rockies for the Rockies 1st rd pick in the 1983 draft. Turned out to be the 3rd overall selection with which the Isles picked Pat LaFontaine.

The G Man is offline  
Old
04-09-2004, 02:01 AM
  #12
Hasbro
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Hasbro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: South Rectangle
Country: Sami
Posts: 30,334
vCash: 500
04-Mar-91 Pittsburgh Penguins traded John Cullen, Jeff Parker and Zarley Zalapski to the Hartford Whalers for Ron Francis, Grant Jennings and Ulf SamuelssonProbably would win the vote for worst ever.

30-Jun-92 Philadelphia Flyers traded Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals - Nolan Baumgartner) in 1994 and cash to the Quebec Nordiques for Eric Lindros
The NHL's answer to Hershel Walker. Today Lindros even up for Forsberg would have turned into a disaster, but the Nords/Avs parleyed those picks into Alex Tanguay, Rob Blake and Patrick Roy amoungst others.

06-Dec-95 Montreal Canadiens traded Patrick Roy and Mike Keane to the Colorado Avalanche for Andrei Kovalenko, Martin Rucinsky and Jocelyn Thibault.
Bad because it was unneccisary. If Montreal had cooled down the situation and not gotten forced into a trade after Mario Tremblay embarassed Roy they would have kept a HHOF goalie. The trade is compounded by not getting enough in the one team bidding war with Colorado (rumors had them getting Adam Deadmarsh,) and throwing in Captian Mike Keane for mild comments about tht e language issue in the locker room.

24-Jun-00 New York Islanders traded Olli Jokien and Roberto Luongo to the Florida Panthers for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha
Mike Milburry had the first pick and used it to take Rick DiPeitro, but as good as he becomes, it likely will not be comprable to Luongo. And that 1st pick could have been spent instead on Danny Heatley or Marion Gaborik.
  • 09-Oct-96 Detroit Red Wings traded Paul Coffey, Keith Primeau and 1st round selection (Nikos Tselios) in 1997 to the Hartford Whalers for Brendan Shanahan and Brian Glynn
  • 23-Jan-00 Carolina Hurricanes traded Keith Primeau and a 5th round selection (later traded to NY Islanders - Kristofer Ottosson) in 2000 to the Philadelphia Flyers for Rod Brind'Amour, Jean-Marc Pelletier and a 2nd round selection (later traded to Colorado - Agris Saviels) in 2000
  • 23-Jan-00 Carolina Hurricanes traded Keith Primeau and a 5th round selection (later traded to NY Islanders - Kristofer Ottosson) in 2000 to the Philadelphia Flyers for Rod Brind'Amour, Jean-Marc Pelletier and a 2nd round selection (later traded to Colorado - Agris Saviels) in 2000
Hartford/Carolina started by trading Pronger when his stock was at low ebb (enough to make the St Louis fan think they got hosed.) and continued trading disgruntled players each time coming back with less from the table.

Hasbro is offline  
Old
04-10-2004, 07:15 AM
  #13
Gizmosonic
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 50
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by trenton1
Alex Stojanov (or whatever) for Markus Naslund
In hindsight, yes, this looks like one of the worst trades, like alot of the others. At the time though, the Pens were lucky to even get Alek Stojanov for Naslund, that's how ineffective he was in a Penguins uniform. There was no way way of knowing Naslund would blossom into the player he has, not if you look at what he did and how he'd played prior to the trade. Nor was there any way of knowing Stojanov's career would end up being derailed by the auto accident he was in.

Gizmosonic is offline  
Old
04-10-2004, 02:33 PM
  #14
monkey_00*
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Country:
Posts: 5,022
vCash: 500
Russ Courtnall of Leafs to Montreal for John Kordic.........PERIOD!

monkey_00* is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 11:54 AM
  #15
JOHNBOY
BUFFALO SABRES
 
JOHNBOY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Denver NC
Country: United States
Posts: 10,150
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to JOHNBOY
Chicago traded Doug Gilmour, J.P. Dumont, a fifth round pinck(Ryan Miller) for Mike Grosek.

JOHNBOY is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 12:35 PM
  #16
Rattrick
Registered User
 
Rattrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Orlando, FL
Country: United States
Posts: 12,894
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Rattrick
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasbro
24-Jun-00 New York Islanders traded Olli Jokien and Roberto Luongo to the Florida Panthers for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha
Mike Milburry had the first pick and used it to take Rick DiPeitro, but as good as he becomes, it likely will not be comprable to Luongo. And that 1st pick could have been spent instead on Danny Heatley or Marion Gaborik.
My thoughts exactly! It basically boils down to the fact that the Islanders could have had:

Jokinen/Luongo/Heatley but instead got Parrish/Kvasha/DiPietro.

No doubt in the world that the first groups is far better thant he second.

Rattrick is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 12:58 PM
  #17
PanthersRule96
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Country: United States
Posts: 6,030
vCash: 500
Chris Wells for Stu Barnes and Jason Woolley.

This was not about points or how little Barnes scored, but Chris Wells was soooooo bad. He had to be one of the biggest busts ever. Barnes had a great chemistry going with the panthers and was one of the guys that held the team together and Woolley was a good offensive dman for the panthers they traded both for Wells and that destroyed the chemistry and ultimately led to the panther's demise after the cup run into the team that they are/were when and now when they are bad.

PanthersRule96 is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 01:06 PM
  #18
coachpotato
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Beverly,MA
Posts: 43
vCash: 500
One of my favorite lopsided deals in the past was around '76-'77 I think, The Bruins gave up Ken Hodge to the Rangers for Rick Middleton. Hodge was nearing his end, and I think ended up his career in Binghamton, and Nifty went on to many career years for the Bruins.

coachpotato is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 01:06 PM
  #19
Kenadyan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Asheboro, NC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,136
vCash: 500


D Tom Kurvers from the Devils to the Leafs in the fall of 1989 for the Leafs first-round draft pick in the 1990 NHL draft (the year Lindros was eligible to be drafted).

The first-round pick ended up being #3 overall.

The Devils took Scott Niedermayer.

Man he would have looked good in blue and white all these years!!

Kenadyan is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 01:11 PM
  #20
CaputMortuum
Registered User
 
CaputMortuum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: HELL
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,081
vCash: 500
This could be one for the future:

21-Jun-02: Philadelphia Flyers traded Ruslan Fedotenko and two 2nd round selections in 2002 (previously acquired, later traded to Dallas - Tobias Stephan) (previously acquired, later traded to San Jose - Dan Spang) to the Tampa Bay Lightning for a 1st round selection (Joni Pitkanen) in 2002. :lol

CaputMortuum is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 01:32 PM
  #21
Vagrant
The Czech Condor
 
Vagrant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 20,183
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Vagrant
To Hartford: Glen Wesley
To Boston: 3 1st Round Selections

Boston took Jonathan Aitken, Sergei Samsonov, and Kyle McLaren. However, here are players that Hartford/Carolina could have taken where those players were taken. To make it realistic, i'll use players that went as soon as 5 picks after where Carolina would have picked.

1995 #9 overall- Jarome Iginla (11th overall, Dallas)
1996 #8 overall- Derek Morris (13th overall, Calgary)
1997 #8 overall- Marian Hossa (12th overall, Ottawa)

Now, i'm in no way saying that Carolina would have drafted any of those three players. All i'm saying is that by trading for Glen Wesley, they lost the very realistic chance of drafting two franchise players and one top pairing defenseman.

Vagrant is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 03:30 PM
  #22
OpAck
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Wilmington, NC
Country: United States
Posts: 3,244
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by luongofan
My thoughts exactly! It basically boils down to the fact that the Islanders could have had:

Jokinen/Luongo/Heatley but instead got Parrish/Kvasha/DiPietro.

No doubt in the world that the first groups is far better thant he second.
That has been Milbury's worst trade so far, in my opinion. Had the Isles held onto Luongo and put him behind the Isles great defensive corps (Aucoin, Jonsson, Hamrlik, Niinimaa) and then add Heatley or Gaborik to the mix, they would have one helluva team. Jokinen was absolutely awful on the Island, he just didn't fit in, and he needed a change of scenery (and Mike Keenan) to get on track. I still think he would've never broken out had he still been with the Isles.

Of course, there is the never-ending Luongo/DiPietro argument on who will be a better goalie. Luongo clearly has the edge right now, but he also has played almost 200 more games than DiPietro. You gotta expect that Luongo will continue to have a phenomenal career, no question, and he clearly wins the argument right now. But, DiPietro still has alot to learn and who knows what kind of goalie he turns into.

The part that really makes this trade sour is the loss of Heatley or Gaborik. That part of it stings. I mean, I love Parrish and what he brings to the table, and Kvasha, well, he has some good moments. But there is no comparison to what Heatley can and will bring to the table.

OpAck is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 05:39 PM
  #23
Geese_Howard*
 
Geese_Howard*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 3,937
vCash: 500
Sandis Ozalinsh for Owen Nolan

Mats Sundin for Wendel Clark


there have been soo many bad trades but I cant think of them at the top of my head, imagine if the nords/avs franchise still had sundin and nolan

Geese_Howard* is offline  
Old
04-12-2004, 05:43 PM
  #24
GKJ
Global Moderator
Entertainment
 
GKJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Do not trade plz
Country: United States
Posts: 111,883
vCash: 50
Summer of 1998:

Tampa Bay trades 4 1st round picks, previously acquired from the Flyers for Chris Gratton, to the Flyers for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis.


Those 4 picks:

Maxime Ouellet
Simon Gagne
Justin Williams
Tim Gleason (flyers traded this pick to Ottawa and ended up taking Jeff Woywitka and then what was Tampa's 2nd round pick in 2002 acquired by Ottawa)

Then 2 years later:

To Tampa: Chris Gratton, Mike Sillinger

To Flyers: Daymond Langkow, Mikael Renberg

in essence trading a good, young player taken #5 overall for a journeyman and a whole lot of salary.

To Phoenix: Daymond Langkow

To Flyers: 2002 2nd round pick, 2003 1st round pick (Jeff Carter)


Then, not to say this is all that bad yet:

To Tampa Bay: Ruslan Fedotenko, 2 2nd round picks (one was Tampa's originally I speak of earlier, the other from the Langkow trade)

To Philadelphia: 2002 1st round pick (Joni Pitkanen)

After all of that, Gratton was dealt to Buffalo, Sillinger to Florida but Tampa could have had:

Maxime Ouellet, Simon Gagne, Justin Williams, Tim Gleason, Joni Pitkanen

to go with Lecavalier, Richards, St. Louis, Boyle, Kubina, etc.

-----------------------------

To Philadelphia: Adam Oates

To Washington: Maxime Ouellet, 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2002

-----------------------------

To Philadelphia: Jiri Dopita

To Florida: 2001 2nd round pick (Florida flipped it to get Valeri Bure and get rid of Rob Niedermayer, Bure got them Mike Van Ryn and then got him back for more picks from Dallas)

------------------------------

To Philadelphia: Michal Handzus, Robert Esche

To Phoenix: Brian Boucher and Nashville's 2002 3rd rounder (Joe Callahan?)
------------------------------

To Los Angeles: Jason Allison, Mikko Eloranta (Allison serviceable for one year, but both will be gone and the Kings get nothing except some money to re-sign Ziggy Palffy)

To Boston: Glen Murray (40 goal scorer), Jozef Stumpel (traded back to LA with a pick for 2 more picks)

---------------------------

march 19, 1996

To Flyers: Kerry Huffman

To Ottawa: 9th round pick

Kerry Huffman lost some games by himself down the stretch and in the playoffs and was ran out of town about as fast as Billy Tibbets. I'd rather have the 9th round pick back and take a chance on someone who probably won't make it out of juniors and find himself toiling in some obscure pro or minor european league. Would have worked for me. Kerry Huffman might be the worst player I have ever seen.

However, Ottawa took Sami Salo with this pick, and I'd like him on my team.
------------------------------------------
May 15, 1973

To Toronto: Doug Favell, 1973 1st rounder (Bob Neely)

To Flyers: 1973 1st rounder (Bob Goodenough) and the 'right' to Bernie Parent

Parent won 2 Conn Smythe's the the Flyers.

GKJ is offline  
Old
04-13-2004, 01:44 PM
  #25
Snap Wilson
Registered User
 
Snap Wilson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,838
vCash: 500
Quote:
March 5, 1991 - St. Louis trades Geoff Courtnall, Sergio Momesso, Cliff Ronning, Robert Dirk and fifth round pick (Brian Loney) in 1992 to Vancouver for Garth Butcher and Dan Quinn.

NET RESULT: Butcher is a good defenseman for the Blues for a few years. Quinn is a bust. Courtnall, Momesso and Ronning go on to lead the Canucks to the Finals in 1994. This trade gutted the Blues of their team chemistry and was pointed to by many players as the main reason the team collapsed in the '91 playoffs.
Don't remind me. That was the trade that soured me on being a Blues supporter. Ugh.

Snap Wilson is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:04 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.