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OT Suspension? (Kovalchuk Suspended 1 Game)

View Poll Results: Does Kovalchuks Hit warrant a suspension?
Yes. 1-4 games 74 56.92%
Yes. 5-9 games 6 4.62%
Yes. 10+ games 6 4.62%
No. The 5 min major/game misconduct was sufficient. 44 33.85%
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01-23-2008, 10:35 AM
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He should be suspended.

It was intentional, from behind and very dangerous.

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01-23-2008, 10:41 AM
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Intention not Outcome

10+ games....we need to start penalizing people on the intent not the outcome. Roszival was lucky to walk away from this with only minor injuries. If he was severly injured why does it warrant a greater penalty if the intention and the action was the same?

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10+ games....we need to start penalizing people on the intent not the outcome. Roszival was lucky to walk away from this with only minor injuries. If he was severly injured why does it warrant a greater penalty if the intention and the action was the same?
I'm not sure 10+ is right. But I do agree that the NHL can send a message here that a marquee player is not immune from discipline.

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01-23-2008, 10:56 AM
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I dont know, you cant say this was accidental or he didnt mean to do it. I think it warrants a game at most.

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I'm not sure 10+ is right. But I do agree that the NHL can send a message here that a marquee player is not immune from discipline.
If Rozsival snapped a vertibra in his neck would you think a 10+ game would be appropriate then?

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If Rozsival snapped a vertibra in his neck would you think a 10+ game would be appropriate then?
But he didn't.

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01-23-2008, 11:58 AM
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But he didn't.
Which is my point. The emphasis should be on the action, not the outcome.

It's a philisophical view that exists as a problem in Hockey as well as in our Justice system. The complication to it, is that it's extremely difficult to prove intention and outcomes are fact. This is why we have an outcome based system not an action or intention based one.

This dilema is what causes the problem where situations aren't addressed until they have a drastically negative outcome. Then, the reaction to it is often over copensating...but i'm getting completely off topic so I'll stop. Check out the philosophy section of the library and lookup intent vs outcome stuff, I think you'll find it an interesting read.

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01-23-2008, 12:21 PM
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I agree with a lot of points that you are making. I think the Game Misconduct was enough. I don't think it was intentional. He may get a one game suspension and if he does it is warranted. I have seen worse hits by other players that did not get players suspended.

I'm just glad that Rozsival is okay.

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01-23-2008, 01:50 PM
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But he didn't.
Doesn't matter. Intent to injure is just as bad as injuring.

If someone tries to shoot up a store while the safety is on and gets caught, do you let him go so he can be at risk for attempting to shoot more people?

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01-23-2008, 01:53 PM
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Doesn't matter. Intent to injure is just as bad as injuring.

If someone tries to shoot up a store while the safety is on and gets caught, do you let him go so he can be at risk for attempting to shoot more people?
Sorry but that's a horrible analogy. But if you want to go with it, fine. If intent to injur is just as bad as injuring, then there would be no such thing as attempted murder.

Regardless, you can't equate the legal system with a sports league governing itself.

Not sure why you're arguing with me when you voted the same way I did.

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Sorry but that's a horrible analogy. But if you want to go with it, fine. If intent to injur is the same thing as injuring, then there would be no such thing as attempted murder.

Not sure why you're arguing with me when you voted the same way I did.
I'm not arguing the fact that he should get 10+ games, but after rethinking it all 1 game should be warranted. If Hollweg did that to someone (he has before) it makes me disgusted, and especially if Hollweg had left his feet and almost seriously injured somebody, I'd want him suspended. It's a fair thing all around.

My comparison may not be the best, but you can see where it's coming from, it may not be as bad as injuring, but eventually someone will get injured if it continues. League has to set a precedent and take someone as serious as Jed Ortmeyer to Sidney Crosby in terms of suspensions. All players are equal.

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I'm not arguing the fact that he should get 10+ games, but after rethinking it all 1 game should be warranted. If Hollweg did that to someone (he has before) it makes me disgusted, and especially if Hollweg had left his feet and almost seriously injured somebody, I'd want him suspended. It's a fair thing all around.

My comparison may not be the best, but you can see where it's coming from, it may not be as bad as injuring, but eventually someone will get injured if it continues. League has to set a precedent and take someone as serious as Jed Ortmeyer to Sidney Crosby in terms of suspensions. All players are equal.
Did you read the posts prior to mine saying "But he didn't"? You're not telling me anything that I have not said myself. I don't believe he deserves 10+ games.

I said that a game is a good sign to the league that marquee players are not above discipline.

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Did you read the posts prior to mine saying "But he didn't"? You're not telling me anything that I have not said myself. I don't believe he deserves 10+ games.

I said that a game is a good sign to the league that marquee players are not above discipline.
Must of blew right past that one,

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01-23-2008, 02:49 PM
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Do any of you people realize other hits in the NHL have warranted suspensions for the SAME thing?

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01-23-2008, 02:52 PM
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How long does it take for the NHL to make a decision about these things? They probably just look at it a few times and make a decision, it's not like it takes all day. Then again it is the NHL...

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01-23-2008, 02:59 PM
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no suspension.

1. rosival not injured
2. those hits happen all the time (just as holloweg)

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01-23-2008, 03:10 PM
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got this from another website to refresh our memories about what a suspension entails.

To remind us all, Campbell said Downie's hit met the four requirements for a stiff punishment on a blow to a player's head: The head was intentionally targeted; a player launched himself by leaving his feet to hit a player in the head area; the hit was delivered to an unsuspecting opponent; and the lateness of the hit.

Just to let you know I do not think that this hit was anywhere near as vicious as Downies. But rather just listing the criteria from our good ol pal Coly.

That's at least 3 of the 4 requirements. could even argue that it is all 4 and Kovy was going for his head intentionally. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though and say it was only 3 of 4 requirements.

Hit was very Late, he left his feet, and hit was delivered to unsuspecting person.

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no suspension.

1. rosival not injured
2. those hits happen all the time (just as holloweg)
1) So what? If Rozsival was injured then it deserves a suspension? How many games? What if he lost a tooth? How many games? What if he loses two teeth? How many games?

2) Those hits don't happen all the time. Leaping hits from behind that force the player to go head/face first into the glass do not happen all the time. Not even with the utlra-dangerous Ryan Hollweg.

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no suspension.

1. rosival not injured
2. those hits happen all the time (just as holloweg)
Injury is not important. Dangerous behavior is still dangerous behavior

Stop the film when Kovy's a good 3 or 4 steps away from Rosy.

ALL YOU SEE IS THE NAME ROZSIVAL & a #3.

THAT is called hitting from behind Very dangerous.

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throw the book at him !

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i hope he gets a game

but i dont want it to be before tomorrow - i want the Rangers to have a chance to exact some revenge

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If he gets zero games, I would hope the Flyers would make a huge stink. The Jones hit was very similar and he got 2 games I believe. This is a chance for the NHL to make a statement that they claim to be making every time they suspended a mediocre for a similar play. If they give a "super-star" the same suspension as a fourth line scrub great it will be a great statement for the league. But if they don't they could set themselves up for a very dicey situation.

For the record prior to this season I could see that play getting what was on the ice and thats it,and I would be fine with that. But after the couple suspensions for similar plays this season I think it warrants a game, based solely on previous infractions. The league needs to make a smart decision here.

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As per TSN Kovalchuk gets a one game suspension.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/

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As per TSN Kovalchuk gets a one game suspension.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/
I think its adequate.

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that's bs... Campbell officially has no nuts...

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