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Can we now mention Sundin among the giants who have never won a Cup

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01-27-2008, 08:54 AM
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Should Naslund be in the HOF when all is said and done?
The Hall has no credibility but Naslund has had a more accomplished career than any of those three. He was dominant for three years, those three never were.

Being good for a long time is still just good. good + good + good + good does not equal great no matter how many HF posters think that math makes sense.

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The Hall has no credibility but Naslund has had a more accomplished career than any of those three. He was dominant for three years, those three never were.

Being good for a long time is still just good. good + good + good + good does not equal great no matter how many HF posters think that math makes sense.
Naslund should never see the light of day for the Hall. He had three first team all-stars but he fell to the face of the earth when the lockout ended. Three great seasons wont get you in there unless you have some Cups with it. Plus outside of '02, '03, '04 Naslund is an average player. He's had a weird career.

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Naslund is an average player.
Average?? Come on, whats the average points/season in NHL? I doubt it is 40p for the forwards! Anyone???


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Average?? Come on, whats the average points/season in NHL? I doubt it is 40p for the forwards! Anyone???


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Really his seasons outside of that are the polar opposite of his big 3. He isnt anywhere near Hall induction. If he had a banner playoff recod that would be another story, but can you think of a time when he lifted his teams to great heights?

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It was toward the end of their careers, playing for less than stellar teams most of their time in the league. When they were in LA, the team was basically Simmer-Dionne-Taylor with Rogie Vachon in net. That's all they had. Pat Quinn might've been their best d-men. First you stated that they only produced when they had Dionne, then it's down to just 'nothing special.' They had very respectable careers. If you want to continue on believing that they sucked, that's fine.

Next time Marcel Dionne is interviewed, somebody should make the point of telling him that a "Global Moderator" on a message board doesn't believe that Dave Taylor and Charlie Simmer were good enough to skate on the same line with him. Wonder what he'd say?
I use the word special like it means something. Without Dionne, Charlie Simmer does not tie for league lead in scoring in 1980. They were both good players, solid middle of the pack 1st liners, but, nothing special. Without Dionne, LA would have lacked scoring up front. If anything, saying they didn't produce without Dionne was harsher than me saying they were not special players.

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Don't recall anybody making that assertion.
People have stated that Sundin's lack of quality linemates effected him.

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Naslund should never see the light of day for the Hall. He had three first team all-stars but he fell to the face of the earth when the lockout ended. Three great seasons wont get you in there unless you have some Cups with it. Plus outside of '02, '03, '04 Naslund is an average player. He's had a weird career.
On the flipside, he has infinitely more great seasons than Sundin. Naslund has more solid accomplishments in a 3 season peak than Sundin has in a 15 season peak.

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Really his seasons outside of that are the polar opposite of his big 3. He isnt anywhere near Hall induction. If he had a banner playoff recod that would be another story, but can you think of a time when he lifted his teams to great heights?
I'm not questioning the fact that Naslund is not HOF material, because he isn't. But saying that he is an average player is wrong. He is an extremely good player but he is not great. As I see it there are three criterias for being HOF material:

- Putting up great numbers
- Winning individual recognition (titles, all-star, etc.)
- Having great character

I think Sundin meets those three criterias more or less. If you do you should be considered great!

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On the flipside, he has infinitely more great seasons than Sundin. Naslund has more solid accomplishments in a 3 season peak than Sundin has in a 15 season peak.
Naslund at his peak was better than Sundin at his peak, but has Naslund had the better career? I'd say no.

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