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02-01-2008, 11:04 AM
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I don't need to be convinced of how physical Koivu was, I know that, JMO that Kosty.jr is even more physical, less brute talent (close tho).
It's your opinion yes, but not everybody has to agree with it

Not saying I disagree though.

Saku has been around a long time and is still throwing his weight around in there, and for that he earns my respect.

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02-01-2008, 11:12 AM
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I love S. Kosty, and think he can be a Plekanec level player though on the wing.

But people are giving him WAY to much credit though on that pass to Gui. It certainly was a great pass, but people are forgeting that it was Gui who made the beautiful cut across the ice to get open and recive that pass, and it was him who delayed and put it past Kolzig.


Hate to nitpick, but I've read it several times in several threads, that Gui did nothing and was just a beneficiary of an outstanding pass.

Carry on...

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02-01-2008, 11:52 AM
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Normalized to 82 games @ 18:47 minutes each, we would see this:

Sam Gagner
9-37-46 -29

Siarhei Kastsitsyn
26-43-69 +16


Patrick Kane
19-55-74 -10
That doesn't add up, not that is a good indication of how the rest of the season goes, but that projects to 50 points in 82 games.

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Yup, and at the point he got the injury, he was #1 point leader in the league, jsut 1 point ahead of Jagr (not Foppa, who was 3rd), Koivu had something like 41 points in 38 games at that point.
I'm almost certain it was 38 points in 30 games but he wouldn't have been first for much longer.

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02-01-2008, 11:56 AM
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Surprised Sergei gets no mention around the league even though he is averaging more PPG than his counterpart Gagner who gets a hell of a lot of attention. Granted Gagner plays for a worse team. But we see Sergei game in and game out and he just keeps getting better and better. Only 20 years old, I'm damn excited.

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02-01-2008, 12:04 PM
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Billy Kostitsyn is ****ing awesome.

He is ****ING AWESOME.

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02-01-2008, 12:09 PM
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That doesn't add up, not that is a good indication of how the rest of the season goes, but that projects to 50 points in 82 games.
You are partly right.

50 points in 82 games at 13:38 per game becomes 69 points at 18:47 per game.

I know it's playing with numbers, but my overall point is that those who thought Sergei could be brought up and would do acceptably well compared to his former linemates, were right.

I'm not hung up on the exact numbers.

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02-01-2008, 12:10 PM
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guys, I want to clarify the name issue once and for all. I have the same name as Kosts jr. For the most of my life I was Sergei (russian version), but after collapse of USSR independent countries started to translate names into their own language. Unfortunately, the name of Sergei took the biggest hit it has become Siarhei, which is difficult to pronounce. Here, in America, I've been given million of versions of my name by credit cards representatives, the pinnacle of which was... Sahara. I assure you all, that Kosts jr and any other belorussian named Sergei would prefer to keep russian spelling over it's native.

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guys, I want to clarify the name issue once and for all. I have the same name as Kosts jr. For the most of my life I was Sergei (russian version), but after collapse of USSR independent countries started to translate names into their own language. Unfortunately, the name of Sergei took the biggest hit it has become Siarhei, which is difficult to pronounce. Here, in America, I've been given million of versions of my name by credit cards representatives, the pinnacle of which was... Sahara. I assure you all, that Kosts jr and any other belorussian named Sergei would prefer to keep russian spelling over it's native.

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02-01-2008, 12:31 PM
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I'm almost certain it was 38 points in 30 games but he wouldn't have been first for much longer.
You're right, it was in 30 games... I should've remembered because at the time I thought he was on par for a 100 points season.

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02-01-2008, 12:34 PM
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Trevor Timmins can't really pat himself on the back for this one, IMO.

By waiting until the 7th round before drafting him, he could easily have lost him to someone else. So the truth is that he was less impressed than we're saying now.
I hope this is normal Baseball coach sarcasm...because you could say the same thing about Detroit getting Datsyuk and Zetterberg that late in the draft. ''Their scouts weren't impressed with them and they could have been picked by someone else'' and what not. Yet no one does.

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02-01-2008, 12:38 PM
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I hope this is normal Baseball coach sarcasm...because you could say the same thing about Detroit getting Datsyuk and Zetterberg that late in the draft. ''Their scouts weren't impressed with them and they could have been picked by someone else'' and what not. Yet no one does.
Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Follow the toe line, Detroit drafting is Oh-amazing and Montreal's is mediocre at best....

We just don't want anybody's brains frying over with a schizoid embolism because they've come face to face with reality!

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I hope this is normal Baseball coach sarcasm...because you could say the same thing about Detroit getting Datsyuk and Zetterberg that late in the draft. ''Their scouts weren't impressed with them and they could have been picked by someone else'' and what not. Yet no one does.
Not really sarcasm. I'm just saying that if Timmins thought the kid should have been drafted in the second round, as I read in a subsequent post from my original, then Gainey was taking quite a chance waiting till round seven......UNLESS Timmins wasn't as high on the kid as he wants us to believe today.

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You are partly right.

50 points in 82 games at 13:38 per game becomes 69 points at 18:47 per game.

I know it's playing with numbers, but my overall point is that those who thought Sergei could be brought up and would do acceptably well compared to his former linemates, were right.

I'm not hung up on the exact numbers.
Now I see where you came up with 69. I just thought you really liked SK

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We should have picked a Quebecois in the 7th round, as it really doesn't make a difference who we pick at that point.

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02-01-2008, 01:31 PM
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If the 2005 draft were redone, Sergei would easily be a first rounder.

Let's see who would and might have gone ahead of him at the moment

1st round

Crosby
Ryan (albeit barely, has a higher upside though)
JJohnson
Price
Brule (huge upside, very badly handled, if he goes on like this, kosts will leapfrog him in a year or two)
J Skille (questionable, big upside but hadn't done anything in College and was ok in the AHL)
Setoguchi
B Lee (questionable)
Luc Bourdon
Kopitar
M Staal
M Hanzal
R Parent
T Rask
Parent (great shutdown D, but his lack of offense would make him hard to pick over Kost)
TJ Oshie
M Niskanen (would pick Kost over him but since he's a high draft pick, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt)
Downie (great s*it disturber a la Tucker, 1st line potential)
Andrew Cogliano (questionable)

2nd round
Marc-Edouard Vlasic
O Pavelec
P Stastny
G. Latendresse (Kosts will eventually surpass him but they will form a great duo)

3d Round
K Letang
K Russell
C Franson

4th Round
K Yandle

5th Round
N/A

6th Round
N/A

7th Round
Stralman

I'm being really generous with a lot of the players listed here too.


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Not really sarcasm. I'm just saying that if Timmins thought the kid should have been drafted in the second round, as I read in a subsequent post from my original, then Gainey was taking quite a chance waiting till round seven......UNLESS Timmins wasn't as high on the kid as he wants us to believe today.
You draft a player where you think you can get them. Just because a player is talented, doesn't mean that they go "where they should." Scouts talk, GMs talk, and if one of the Habs' scouts heard from others that they weren't too high on Sergei for whatever reason, that information gets relayed to Timmins who can then take the risk and pick other players on the hopes that Sergei's still available at their next pick. Who knows? Maybe the Habs scouts sabotaged Sergei prior to the draft to ensure no one else would pick him. All we know is that we got him, and you can't criticize Timmins for that.

What I expect happened is that most scouts/GMs discounted him (that is, if they even saw him much) because he was putting up good numbers in a lesser league on a relatively strong team, but Timmins and Co wanted to acquire him for his raw talent, and see if he'll come over to the CHL to develop.

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We should have picked a Quebecois in the 7th round, as it really doesn't make a difference who we pick at that point.
We would have had three equally good options:


Serge Cossette (beer commercial Quebecois)

Kostie Hostie (church-going Quebecois)

Billy Costco (anglophone Quebecois)

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S. Kosty has a 100% faceoff %

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Kane and Gagner are 18.. sergei is 20

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Kane and Gagner are 18.. sergei is 20
Thats sounds alot like the ol' Crosby's 18 and Ovy's 20 debate.....

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Kane and Gagner are 18.. sergei is 20
Kane is 19.

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Mabe you're right, but I kind of agree with Les Canadiens, in that S. Kost.'s game seems based on being clever with the puck rather than explosiveness.

I'm not sure who would be a good comparison once he's fully developed, maybe someone like Whitney or Kozlov, with a mean streak ? I think as he matures physically, we'll see whether he can get to the net with the puck a bit.

Either way, he's going to be a veratile player, comfortable on either wing and on any line.

In my opinion, he reminds me of a faster, more physical and bigger Marc Savard !! The way they stickhandle, the way they skates, their passing skills and we all know that Savard can throw his body and can be vicious once in a while. S.Kostitsyn is the real number 1 prospect at this moment !!

P.S: BaseballCoach, thanks for quoting me to start this thread, I appreciate it alot

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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2000/...ml#skip300x250

Ya, it was Jeff Shantz.

This is a good article that outlines how physical a player Saku was in his day.
I think Cummins may have taken out someone else during that game in a similar play.

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I'm very happy with his play so far this season.

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