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04-13-2004, 11:15 AM
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Martin St.Louis Empty Netters?

I relize that they all still count but does anyone know how many hes potted with no one backstopping? It seems that whenever he had a multi goal game hes banged home an empty netter. My guess is something nearing half a dozen ginos.

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i noticed that too...goal padding...

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I can distinctly recall three in the regular season.

What a petty reason to try to discount a great player. Very sad indeed!

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during the regular season, st.louis has had 4 empty netters.
yeah, that's a lot, but also realize that the ability to score empty netters is somewhat related to his ability to break-out in shorthanded situations.
st.louis also has 8 shorthanded goals.

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I can distinctly recall three in the regular season.

What a petty reason to try to discount a great player. Very sad indeed!
I don't think he was attempting to discount Martin. I have noticed it as well, personaly - doesn't make him any less of a player. Hell, Mario and Gretzky have gotta have the career highs for empty net goals.

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I can distinctly recall three in the regular season.

What a petty reason to try to discount a great player. Very sad indeed!
He's still better then 95% or so of the forwards with a goalie in the net. Half of the assists in most games aren't warranted either but that's a different subject.

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He's still better then 95% or so of the forwards with a goalie in the net. Half of the assists in most games aren't warranted either but that's a different subject.
And half the time someone who doesn't even touch the puck has more to do with causing a goal than the assist getters.

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And half the time someone who doesn't even touch the puck has more to do with causing a goal than the assist getters.
True enough.

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No doubt I aint trying to knock the little guy or say that his points are tarnished but I have seen him fire more in than anyone, and its not like hes gonna get the Rocket award anyways, either way still a hart nominee campaign

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With 8 SH goals and leading +/-, I say he has a Hart worthy season Since he got 4 EN goals this year, a few seem to complain, but every good scorer has 2-4 EN goals every year, unless they're a defensive liability and aren't put on the ice in the last minutes.

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With 8 SH goals and leading +/-, I say he has a Hart worthy season Since he got 4 EN goals this year, a few seem to complain, but every good scorer has 2-4 EN goals every year, unless they're a defensive liability and aren't put on the ice in the last minutes.
This is a great point. The fact that he is even on the ice during the final minute of the game says a lot about his ability.

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st.louis also has 8 shorthanded goals.
This should be all you have to say. More SH goals than empty netters? Many players wish they could say that!

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st.louis also has 8 shorthanded goals.
And another in the playoffs.

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And another in the playoffs.
and a beautiful one it was.

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what about iginla? he's "deadly with that empty net" -Greg Millen

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the leading player in the NHL in empty net goals is jason blake with 5!

he's also had 1 in the playoffs already.


Jason Blake 5
Martin St. Louis 4
Ilya Kovalchuk 3
Marian Hossa 3
Dallas Drake 3
Bobby Holik 3
Jarome Iginla 3

http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/stats/.../?&_1:col_1=17

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the leading player in the NHL in empty net goals is jason blake with 5!

he's also had 1 in the playoffs already.


Jason Blake 5
Martin St. Louis 4
Ilya Kovalchuk 3
Marian Hossa 3
Dallas Drake 3
Bobby Holik 3
Jarome Iginla 3

http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/stats/.../?&_1:col_1=17
i guess pretty much proves whoever's point it was that most good scorers have a few empty netters.
also because towards the end of the season, you are in a scoring race and your teammates are always feeding you the easy ones.

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04-15-2004, 04:36 PM
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Pavel Bure was notorious for scoring a number of empty net goals. I seem to recall him actually netting an empty net goal once and celebrating as though he had scored the OT game winning goal in a Stanley Cup Finals series...

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the leading player in the NHL in empty net goals is jason blake with 5!

he's also had 1 in the playoffs already.


Jason Blake 5
Martin St. Louis 4
Ilya Kovalchuk 3
Marian Hossa 3
Dallas Drake 3
Bobby Holik 3
Jarome Iginla 3

http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/stats/.../?&_1:col_1=17
Another key point when looking at this list, particularly with Blake at the top, is the attribute of speed.

Like someone said earlier, the ability to score empty netters is similar to what gets SH chances, namely good defensive ability and speed, lots and lots of speed.

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the spped aspect is probably one of the reasons nash didn't have any.

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anyone know the last time a player led the league in goal scoring without potting one in an empty cage?

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Pavel Bure was notorious for scoring a number of empty net goals. I seem to recall him actually netting an empty net goal once and celebrating as though he had scored the OT game winning goal in a Stanley Cup Finals series...
kind of like Kovalchuk during the 2001 World Junior Championships, where he pumped his fists before scoring an empty netter.

gosh, he still gets crap for that sometimes.

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i guess pretty much proves whoever's point it was that most good scorers have a few empty netters.
also because towards the end of the season, you are in a scoring race and your teammates are always feeding you the easy ones.
i don't mean to steal your thunder but................dallas drake?

good scorer?



no what it actually is is - why does a team pull it's goalie - to score a comeback goal. So who does the other team put out? THeir defensive players to PROTECT that goal from getting scored. That's why blake, drake, holik are out there.

iginla, kovalchuk, hossa, and st louis ARE there because of what you said tho - because with them, their goal is to actually score, and put the game out of reach.

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anyone know the last time a player led the league in goal scoring without potting one in an empty cage?
I seem to recall that when Brett Hull was approaching his 500th goal, he bragged that he had never scored an empty netter. I don't know if it was true or not, but prior to that he had had the monster season in 1990 when he potted 86 (sandwiched between a couple of 70+ goal seasons). And I do know that when he first came to the Wings, there were several occasions that he passed off despite being onside and having a wide open net in front of him. A couple of times it did not result in a goal, which drew the ire of Scotty Bowman.

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i don't mean to steal your thunder but................dallas drake?

good scorer?
LOL , hey, i said that most good scorers have a few empty netters.
i didn't say that all players who have a few empty netters are good scorers.

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