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02-10-2008, 07:28 AM
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25-50-25 Age Breakdown

The other night following the game on the post-game show, they were talking about the age breakdown in the Sam Pollock years. Thy said his philosophy was to keep 25% of the roster under 23 years old, 50% between 23 and 30, and 25% over 30 years old. If we break down the current roster in these categories, I think it stands out where the real problem area is, and also how we are still a few years away from really becoming contenders. We are seeing the results of improved drafting in the lower categories, but we see the glaring problem with current pro scouting and poor drafting before Andre Savard came in, with the upper ones. For the purposes of this exercise, I am using the current 23 man roster, the desired breakdown should be 6-11-6 in terms of the number of players in each group.

Under 23: Price 20 , S Kostitsyn 20, Latendresse 20, A Kostitsyn 22, Lapierre 22

23-30: Gorges 23, O'Byrne 23, Higgins 24, Plekanec 24, Komisarek 25, Ryder 27, Markov 28, Kostopoulos 28, Begin 29, Streit 29

over 30: Dandenault 31, Bouillon 32, Huet 32, Koivu 32, Hamrlik 33, Kovalev 34, Smolinski 35, Brisebois 36

It is quite clear when looking at it this way, that the team is being rebuilt in the proper manner as with few exceptions, the better elements of the team can be found in the bottom group and first part of the second. The veterans on the team are an almost complete failure with the exception of a couple, even with their number being higher then what it should be. It comes down to finding better players in the over 30 area or having the patience to wait for the younger homegrown players to reach 30 which based on their ages is about 4-5 years away and given early UFA will be difficult to hang onto all of them that long.

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kind of neat to see on paper. I knew the Habs were young, but that is really young. Any idea who the "youngest" team in the league is?

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kind of neat to see on paper. I knew the Habs were young, but that is really young. Any idea who the "youngest" team in the league is?
Probably Pittsburgh.

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Probably Pittsburgh.
since Recchi is gone, that would also be my guess.

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since Recchi is gone, that would also be my guess.
Christensen
Crosby
Staal
Malkin
Whitney
Letang
Fleury

to name a few who are very young.

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Phoenix is the youngest i think. Edmonton, Chicago and Washington are pretty young as well.

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I think Detroit might be, they have those teenagers named Hasek and Chelios

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I think it stands out where the real problem area is, and also how we are still a few years away from really becoming contenders. We are seeing the results of improved drafting in the lower categories, but we see the glaring problem with current pro scouting and poor drafting before Andre Savard came in, with the upper ones...

It comes down to finding better players in the over 30 area or having the patience to wait for the younger homegrown players to reach 30 which based on their ages is about 4-5 years away and given early UFA will be difficult to hang onto all of them that long.
Good post. Totally agree with these comments. The reason we had to claim Begin off waivers, and sign a guy like Kostopoulos, is that we have no real depth in that age category. Koivu is the only guy on this team over the age of 30 who we drafted, and he was drafted during the Savard regime.

The only players on this team drafted in the Houle era are Markov and Ryder. No question Markov was an absolute steal, but every one gets lucky now and then, and Houle got lucky.

2 guys from, what, about 7 years of drafting? And at a time, when drafts were 9 rounds? There are 3 players on this team from the 2005 draft alone, Price, Latendresse and S. Kost.

Andrei Kostitsyn, Maxim Lapierre, Ryan O'Byrne, and Jaroslav Halak were all taken in the '03 draft. That's seven players in 2 drafts an awesome haul.

We'll start to be really good again when McDonaugh, Pacioretty our in our under-23 group, and guys like Pleks, Higgs, the Kost. brothers and Komi are our veteran leaders. We're getting there but I'll be looking forward to the day when we don't have to sign guys like Kostopoulos, Smoke and Breezer for veteran help because we'll have our own veterans.

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The other night following the game on the post-game show, they were talking about the age breakdown in the Sam Pollock years. Thy said his philosophy was to keep 25% of the roster under 23 years old, 50% between 23 and 30, and 25% over 30 years old. If we break down the current roster in these categories, I think it stands out where the real problem area is, and also how we are still a few years away from really becoming contenders. We are seeing the results of improved drafting in the lower categories, but we see the glaring problem with current pro scouting and poor drafting before Andre Savard came in, with the upper ones. For the purposes of this exercise, I am using the current 23 man roster, the desired breakdown should be 6-11-6 in terms of the number of players in each group.

Under 23: Price 20 , S Kostitsyn 20, Latendresse 20, A Kostitsyn 22, Lapierre 22

23-30: Gorges 23, O'Byrne 23, Higgins 24, Plekanec 24, Komisarek 25, Ryder 27, Markov 28, Kostopoulos 28, Begin 29, Streit 29

over 30: Dandenault 31, Bouillon 32, Huet 32, Koivu 32, Hamrlik 33, Kovalev 34, Smolinski 35, Brisebois 36

It is quite clear when looking at it this way, that the team is being rebuilt in the proper manner as with few exceptions, the better elements of the team can be found in the bottom group and first part of the second. The veterans on the team are an almost complete failure with the exception of a couple, even with their number being higher then what it should be. It comes down to finding better players in the over 30 area or having the patience to wait for the younger homegrown players to reach 30 which based on their ages is about 4-5 years away and given early UFA will be difficult to hang onto all of them that long.
Some axioms from the 70's just don't apply any more, if they ever did.
This is a new day, with success today more based on contract mix and performance per salary $ than age mix (although admittedly they are linked).

With better sports medicine, medical procedures, training, etc. 30 is the new 25, or something like that , further changing the old rules of thumb.

For what it's worth I think the "formula" has more variables than it ever has, with age, salary and contract term (security factor), proximity to free agency etc more a part of the system.

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The other night following the game on the post-game show, they were talking about the age breakdown in the Sam Pollock years. Thy said his philosophy was to keep 25% of the roster under 23 years old, 50% between 23 and 30, and 25% over 30 years old. If we break down the current roster in these categories, I think it stands out where the real problem area is, and also how we are still a few years away from really becoming contenders. We are seeing the results of improved drafting in the lower categories, but we see the glaring problem with current pro scouting and poor drafting before Andre Savard came in, with the upper ones. For the purposes of this exercise, I am using the current 23 man roster, the desired breakdown should be 6-11-6 in terms of the number of players in each group.

Under 23: Price 20 , S Kostitsyn 20, Latendresse 20, A Kostitsyn 22, Lapierre 22

23-30: Gorges 23, O'Byrne 23, Higgins 24, Plekanec 24, Komisarek 25, Ryder 27, Markov 28, Kostopoulos 28, Begin 29, Streit 29

over 30: Dandenault 31, Bouillon 32, Huet 32, Koivu 32, Hamrlik 33, Kovalev 34, Smolinski 35, Brisebois 36

It is quite clear when looking at it this way, that the team is being rebuilt in the proper manner as with few exceptions, the better elements of the team can be found in the bottom group and first part of the second. The veterans on the team are an almost complete failure with the exception of a couple, even with their number being higher then what it should be. It comes down to finding better players in the over 30 area or having the patience to wait for the younger homegrown players to reach 30 which based on their ages is about 4-5 years away and given early UFA will be difficult to hang onto all of them that long.
I remembered this thread I started about a year ago, and wanted to see how things have changed since then. Due to injuries, rather than a 23 man roster we actually have a 26 man roster so the breakdown should be about 6-13-7

Under 23: Pacioretty 19, Price 20 , D'Agostini 21, Latendresse 21, Stewart 22

23-30: Lapierre 23, A Kostitsyn 23, Halak 23, Gorges 23, O'Byrne 23, Higgins 25, Plekanec 25, Komisarek 26, Tanguay 28, Markov 29, Kostopoulos 29

over 30: Laraque 31, Dandenault 32, Bouillon 32, Koivu 33, Hamrlik 34, Metropolit 34, Kovalev 35, Brisebois 36, Lang 37, Schneider 39

players still in the organization who have played or been counted against the salary cap this year

Weber 19, Maxwell 20, Carle 20, S Kostitsyn 21, Chipchura 22, Henry 28, Janik 28, Denis 30

Basically we see the same problem this year as last year, a very young core group of homegrown players, and a group of over age 30 players that as a group don't provide much support either in what they provide on the scoresheet or in their abilities to be character veterans to help develop the younger players. The young players will need time to reach their potential, and barring some major roster moves, there will probably be even more of them on the roster next year. They need to be supported with a much better group of veterans who can keep them in line and provide real leadership and teach them the parts of the game that go beyond just skill. These are the types of players that Gainey needs to inject into the line-up if he hopes for the youngsters to reach their potential.

For the sake of comparison the Boston Bruins are composed of

Under 23: Kessel 20, Lucic 20, Wheeler 21, Bergeron 22, Krejci 22

23-30: Bitz 23, Hunwick 23, Stuart 24, Wideman 25, Kobasew 26, Ryder 28, Montador 28, Sturm 29, Ference 29

over 30: Savard 30, Thornton 30, Chara 31, Hnidy 32, Axelsson 33, Fernandez 33, Thomas 34, Yelle 34, Ward 35, Recchi 38

others: Sobotka 20, Rask 21, St Pierre 24, Boychuk 24

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Christensen
Crosby
Staal
Malkin
Whitney
Letang
Fleury

to name a few who are very young.
Christensen?

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Christensen?
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Pittsburgh and Washington are young, but Phoenix and LA have to be close.

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Chicago is very young too

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Funny thing is the smart ass missed Whitney as well, haha.

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