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02-10-2008, 11:56 PM
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2011 draft prospects?

Are there any elite prospects for 2011 yet? I know its a long ways off but I know of top talents in 08 09 and 10 and I wondered if theres early showings of greatness.

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Some players that I know of as of now for 2011.

Sean Courtier- (Not sure if I spelled his name correctly and could anyone give a mini scouting report on him)
Markus Granlund-Still very small 5'4 but is talented and if he grows could be a good one.His brother Mikael is 2010 eligible and he getting some hype to.
Colin Jacobs-Could be the next American Superstar. Already being comopared to Modano at 14
Adam Larsson-Future superstar d-man from sweden. He is currently one of the most promising Swedes on the horizon
Gabriel Landeskog-Another Swede who is skilled and could develop into a superstar player by 2011.

Let's keep this thread going. I'm intrested to see some other peoples thoughts on this subject

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Are there any elite prospects for 2011 yet? I know its a long ways off but I know of top talents in 08 09 and 10 and I wondered if theres early showings of greatness.
It's early, but at the moment it seems that there are no highly exceptional youngsters coming up from Finland in this draft class, but in three weeks we will know a lot more of Finland's 93-born players, because Pohjola-camp is held between 27th of February and 2nd of March. Pohjola-camp is a yearly event in Finland where next year's U16 national team candidates are selected, so maybe someone could be flying under the radar and will be spotted there.
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Markus Granlund-Still very small 5'4 but is talented and if he grows could be a good one.His brother Mikael is 2010 eligible and he getting some hype to.
I think that Markus is getting a lot more attention than other Finnish youngster just because of his older brother. He is a skilled player but IMO not that exceptional that we should start talking about him this early, because in sparsely inhabited northern Finland alone there are a few players with a similar talent level in this age group.

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1. Sean Couturier—Forward—ND 6’01/158 34 20 27 47
2. Adam Larsson—Defense—Skelleft 6’02/201 13 05 11 16
3. David Musil—Defense—Jihlava Midget 6’02/160 37 07 25 32
4. Daniel Catenacci—For—York Simco 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
5. Colin Jacobs—Forward—Texas 5’10/160 00 00 00 00
6. Justin Sefton—Defense—Thunder Bay 6’01/165 45 12 09 21
7. Markus Granlund—Forward—Laser HT 5’05/124 00 00 00 00
8. Shane McColgan—Forward—LA 5’10/160 00 00 00 00
9. Brett Benson—Forward—Weyburn 5’10/140 24 32 33 65
10. Michael St-Croix----Forward—Winni 5’10/152 29 39 29 68
11. Mitch Topping—Defense—WHL 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
12. Duncan Siemens—Defense—WHL 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
13. Brendan Hurley—Forward—Fort Sask. 5’11/160 31 29 27 56
14. Brent Andrews—Forward—Mil Isle 5’11/165 00 00 00 00
15. Brandon Saad—Forward—Pitts Hornets 6’01/190 00 00 00 00
16. Emil Sylvegård—Forward—Red Hawks 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
17. Patrick MacIssac—Forward—Bedford 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
18. Marek Hrbas—Forward—HC Plzen 5’08/143 32 03 01 04
19. Mika Partanen—Forward—HIFK 6’02/170 10 02 03 05
20. Andrei Tarasov—Forward—Lada 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
21. Alexander Kuvayev—Forward—CSKA 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
22. Robbie Russo—Defense—Chic. Miss 0’00/000 05 00 03 03
23. Joe Sneck—Forward—Jokerit 0’00/000 05 03 00 03
24. Simo Mantyla—Goalie—JYP 0’00/000 00 00 0.00 .000
25. Garrett Clarke—Defense—Shattuck 5’09/150 00 00 00 00
26. Julian Ciocco—Defense—Shattuck 5’09/170 63 03 10 13
27. Tyler Platz—Goalie—USA 0’00/000 00 00 0.00 .000
28. Brandon Francisco—Forward—Jr Can 0’00/000 00 77 91 168
29. Gabriel Landeskog—Forward—Djur 6’00/181 13 07 09 16
30. Darcy Ashley—Forward—PEI 0’00/000 00 00 00 00

this is how I rank the top 30 right now...of course alot will change come draft time, but as of right now this is how I would rank it.

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1. Sean Couturier—Forward—ND 6’01/158 34 20 27 47
2. Adam Larsson—Defense—Skelleft 6’02/201 13 05 11 16
3. David Musil—Defense—Jihlava Midget 6’02/160 37 07 25 32
4. Daniel Catenacci—For—York Simco 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
5. Colin Jacobs—Forward—Texas 5’10/160 00 00 00 00
6. Justin Sefton—Defense—Thunder Bay 6’01/165 45 12 09 21
7. Markus Granlund—Forward—Laser HT 5’05/124 00 00 00 00
8. Shane McColgan—Forward—LA 5’10/160 00 00 00 00
9. Brett Benson—Forward—Weyburn 5’10/140 24 32 33 65
10. Michael St-Croix----Forward—Winni 5’10/152 29 39 29 68
11. Mitch Topping—Defense—WHL 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
12. Duncan Siemens—Defense—WHL 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
13. Brendan Hurley—Forward—Fort Sask. 5’11/160 31 29 27 56
14. Brent Andrews—Forward—Mil Isle 5’11/165 00 00 00 00
15. Brandon Saad—Forward—Pitts Hornets 6’01/190 00 00 00 00
16. Emil Sylvegård—Forward—Red Hawks 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
17. Patrick MacIssac—Forward—Bedford 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
18. Marek Hrbas—Forward—HC Plzen 5’08/143 32 03 01 04
19. Mika Partanen—Forward—HIFK 6’02/170 10 02 03 05
20. Andrei Tarasov—Forward—Lada 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
21. Alexander Kuvayev—Forward—CSKA 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
22. Robbie Russo—Defense—Chic. Miss 0’00/000 05 00 03 03
23. Joe Sneck—Forward—Jokerit 0’00/000 05 03 00 03
24. Simo Mantyla—Goalie—JYP 0’00/000 00 00 0.00 .000
25. Garrett Clarke—Defense—Shattuck 5’09/150 00 00 00 00
26. Julian Ciocco—Defense—Shattuck 5’09/170 63 03 10 13
27. Tyler Platz—Goalie—USA 0’00/000 00 00 0.00 .000
28. Brandon Francisco—Forward—Jr Can 0’00/000 00 77 91 168
29. Gabriel Landeskog—Forward—Djur 6’00/181 13 07 09 16
30. Darcy Ashley—Forward—PEI 0’00/000 00 00 00 00

this is how I rank the top 30 right now...of course alot will change come draft time, but as of right now this is how I would rank it.
Scoutman, have you had a chance to view Cason Hohmann, Colin Jacobs put up his best numbers when they played together.

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1. Sean Couturier—Forward—ND 6’01/158 34 20 27 47
2. Adam Larsson—Defense—Skelleft 6’02/201 13 05 11 16
3. David Musil—Defense—Jihlava Midget 6’02/160 37 07 25 32
4. Daniel Catenacci—For—York Simco 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
5. Colin Jacobs—Forward—Texas 5’10/160 00 00 00 00
6. Justin Sefton—Defense—Thunder Bay 6’01/165 45 12 09 21
7. Markus Granlund—Forward—Laser HT 5’05/124 00 00 00 00
8. Shane McColgan—Forward—LA 5’10/160 00 00 00 00
9. Brett Benson—Forward—Weyburn 5’10/140 24 32 33 65
10. Michael St-Croix----Forward—Winni 5’10/152 29 39 29 68
11. Mitch Topping—Defense—WHL 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
12. Duncan Siemens—Defense—WHL 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
13. Brendan Hurley—Forward—Fort Sask. 5’11/160 31 29 27 56
14. Brent Andrews—Forward—Mil Isle 5’11/165 00 00 00 00
15. Brandon Saad—Forward—Pitts Hornets 6’01/190 00 00 00 00
16. Emil Sylvegård—Forward—Red Hawks 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
17. Patrick MacIssac—Forward—Bedford 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
18. Marek Hrbas—Forward—HC Plzen 5’08/143 32 03 01 04
19. Mika Partanen—Forward—HIFK 6’02/170 10 02 03 05
20. Andrei Tarasov—Forward—Lada 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
21. Alexander Kuvayev—Forward—CSKA 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
22. Robbie Russo—Defense—Chic. Miss 0’00/000 05 00 03 03
23. Joe Sneck—Forward—Jokerit 0’00/000 05 03 00 03
24. Simo Mantyla—Goalie—JYP 0’00/000 00 00 0.00 .000
25. Garrett Clarke—Defense—Shattuck 5’09/150 00 00 00 00
26. Julian Ciocco—Defense—Shattuck 5’09/170 63 03 10 13
27. Tyler Platz—Goalie—USA 0’00/000 00 00 0.00 .000
28. Brandon Francisco—Forward—Jr Can 0’00/000 00 77 91 168
29. Gabriel Landeskog—Forward—Djur 6’00/181 13 07 09 16
30. Darcy Ashley—Forward—PEI 0’00/000 00 00 00 00

this is how I rank the top 30 right now...of course alot will change come draft time, but as of right now this is how I would rank it.
Scoutman. I really like reading your lists when you post them. You seem to have a lot of knowledge about younger players. You are a Scout huh? Just a couple questions for you? I noticed Gabriel Landeskog was ranked #29 on your list. I thought he would be a lot higher based on what I've heard about him. I was under the impression that he was a top 10 as of right now. Maybe you could inform me a little about him. Also Shane McColgan is 2011 eligible? I thought he was 2012. Anyway's thanks for posting I always look for scotman1 posts.

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Does anyone have a scouting report on David Musil? I've heard his name mentioned a few times and I see that scoutman ranks him #3 on his list. So who is this kid from the Czech Republic? and does he compare to anyone? does he have superstar potential?

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25. Garrett Clarke—Defense—Shattuck 5’09/150 00 00 00 00
I think he left Shattuck for another school.

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7. Markus Granlund—Forward—Laser HT 5’05/124 00 00 00 00
As I posted above, Markus ain't that exceptional.

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19. Mika Partanen—Forward—HIFK 6’02/170 10 02 03 05
23. Jose Sneck—Forward—Jokerit 0’00/000 05 03 00 03
I wouldn't rank these players this high, they are only playing against players of their own age and doing pretty well. Overall it's far more likely that they won't be drafted at all, than that they would be drafted.
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24. Simo Mantyla—Goalie—JYP 0’00/000 00 00 0.00 .000
Where did you pick this one up? Hasn't played in any of the national junior league's yet and was not chosen to Pohjola-camp, although another goalie from the same club was.

Honestly, how many of the players on your list have you seen playing?

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Does anyone have a scouting report on David Musil? I've heard his name mentioned a few times and I see that scoutman ranks him #3 on his list. So who is this kid from the Czech Republic? and does he compare to anyone? does he have superstar potential?
If the stats I found are right David Musil is born 9th of April in 1992 so that would make him 2010 draft eligible. He's already 6ft3 tall and played in U16 4-Nations in Sweden (3gp 0g+1a=1).


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Not sure how you could leave Gormley off your list. ISS has him rated higher than Couturier, yet you don't have him in your top 30. Please explain.

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Isn't Gormley 2010?

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Not sure how you could leave Gormley off your list. ISS has him rated higher than Couturier, yet you don't have him in your top 30. Please explain.
thats because Brandon Gormley is 2010!

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As I posted above, Markus ain't that exceptional.


I wouldn't rank these players this high, they are only playing against players of their own age and doing pretty well. Overall it's far more likely that they won't be drafted at all, than that they would be drafted.

Where did you pick this one up? Hasn't played in any of the national junior league's yet and was not chosen to Pohjola-camp, although another goalie from the same club was.

Honestly, how many of the players on your list have you seen playing?


If the stats I found are right David Musil is born 9th of April in 1992 so that would make him 2010 draft eligible. He's already 6ft3 tall and played in U16 4-Nations in Sweden (3gp 0g+1a=1).
well actually I have been working as a scout for many years now, I have seen alot of the players play that I have ranked...maybe a few total of 5 on that list I have not seen yet. Musil is a 93 so that is a mistake of the U16 site...as for the finish players Sneck is pretty good...the goalie I have not seen play since last year so was still going off that, but he was the most highly ranked goalie in Finland for his age last year.

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Not sure how you could leave Gormley off your list. ISS has him rated higher than Couturier, yet you don't have him in your top 30. Please explain.
A) ISS is not the end all of everything, I saw both Gormley and Courturier play at the Atlantic Challenge Cup in Moncton, at the U17 camp in Kentville Nova Scotia and at the U17s, and to me Couturier is alot better than Gormley but Gormley is 2009 ranked anyway, the only reason Sean is ranked for 2010 is because of a late birthday.

Courturier is an exact Vincent Lecavalier clone, same skill set, same game, same body everything.

Gormley to me is really good but is unable to dominate a game the way Sean does.

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A) ISS is not the end all of everything, I saw both Gormley and Courturier play at the Atlantic Challenge Cup in Moncton, at the U17 camp in Kentville Nova Scotia and at the U17s, and to me Couturier is alot better than Gormley but Gormley is 2009 ranked anyway, the only reason Sean is ranked for 2010 is because of a late birthday.

Courturier is an exact Vincent Lecavalier clone, same skill set, same game, same body everything.

Gormley to me is really good but is unable to dominate a game the way Sean does.
To be fair, Gormley probably shouldn't be dominating games the way Couturier is, Gormley being a D-Man and all. I'm also pretty sure Gormley is in fact '10 eligible, no?

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To be fair, Gormley probably shouldn't be dominating games the way Couturier is, Gormley being a D-Man and all. I'm also pretty sure Gormley is in fact '10 eligible, no?
first I stated that Gormley was 2010...2nd how can't a d-man dominate a game...look at the way Pronger, Phaneuf, Niedermayer, etc etc play the game, they are pretty dominant d-men who control a game, so how can't Gormley be dominant on the ice, they can dominate just as much as a forward, it is not all about points...but Gormley negatives, does not hit, has trouble i found on defense catching up to his opponent (he always seemed to be out of position a bit, positives has a good verygood shot, and really good passing ability

Courturier - fast skater, hits, gritty, smart, plays two way, very creative with the puck almost looks like it is on a string, very good playmaker and passing ability, only problem he is having right now is his shot, not all that strong at the moment, still a very effective scorer though.

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The two are listed together on ISS' list. While your opinion may be that Gormley should not be rated #1, it still does not excuse you from ignoring him completely from your top 30 list. Hard to believe that a player rated #1 by ISS doesn't even show up on your top 30. About the years, there seems to be some confusion here. Your tag line states 2011, then you state that Gormley is an 09, and Courturier is a 2010. ISS has them rated together, so which is it?

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first I stated that Gormley was 2010...
No you didn't; you stated '09.
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Unless you're Bobby Orr, a d-man in comparison to a top notch forward prospect, will never dominate the way that forward can, so it's not fair to compare them, based on their ability to take over a game. The top notch forward will always dominate a game more so than a top notch defender.

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The two are listed together on ISS' list. While your opinion may be that Gormley should not be rated #1, it still does not excuse you from ignoring him completely from your top 30 list. Hard to believe that a player rated #1 by ISS doesn't even show up on your top 30. About the years, there seems to be some confusion here. Your tag line states 2011, then you state that Gormley is an 09, and Courturier is a 2010. ISS has them rated together, so which is it?

OMG not again...they are both born 1992 birth year...so both are ranked for this years QMJHL draft, but in the NHL draft if a player is born after september 15th such as Courturier is then he is ranked for the next draft. Gormley is ranked for the 2010 NHL draft where as Courturier is ranked for 2011 because of a late birthday. I am a scout in the QMJHL not saying for who though, the ISS rankings are good but they overrank some players...players like Mathieu Brisson should be at the top of the 2008 QMJHL draft, but are not on the ISS site. Scouting is all a matter of opinion anyway.

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Scoutman. I really like reading your lists when you post them. You seem to have a lot of knowledge about younger players. You are a Scout huh? Just a couple questions for you? I noticed Gabriel Landeskog was ranked #29 on your list. I thought he would be a lot higher based on what I've heard about him. I was under the impression that he was a top 10 as of right now. Maybe you could inform me a little about him. Also Shane McColgan is 2011 eligible? I thought he was 2012. Anyway's thanks for posting I always look for scotman1 posts.
Landeskog should be in the top 15 IMO, I do have him low on my list, I did not update my list since the start of the season so some guys I have ranked too low some too high but thought I would get the top 30 out there though. As for McCologan he is ranked for 2011
http://www.midgetkiwanis.com/en-CA/e...p?EquipeID=214

there is Shanes team at the Kiawans tournament. He was playing against 91 and 92 born players and still finished near the top of scoring

here is the scoring list for the tournament players like Ben Duffy, Yasin Cisse, played in this

http://www.midgetkiwanis.com/en-CA/s...p?Category=AAA

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Musil is a 93 so that is a mistake of the U16 site...
Yep, you are right about that.

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as for the finish players Sneck is pretty good...
Yes, he's a good skater and has quite a lot of skill, but his game is far from the kind of dominance shown by Pulkkinen and Granlund last season in CSM and they were underagers then:
SNECK Jose 24.09.1992 Vantaa 175 70 FIN R (stats so far in CSM: 14th in scoring 9gp 8g+6a=14p)
PULKKINEN Teemu 02.01.1992 Vantaa 178 78 FIN R (stats in CSM last season 11gp 21g+22a=43p)
GRANLUND Mikael 26.02.1992 Oulu 175 74 FIN L (stats in CSM last season 11gp 15g+16a=31p)
So it's a bold prediction to say that Sneck is a possible 1st rounder as there are dozen other Finn's with a similar talent level in this draft class and it could be that there won't be a single Finn in the first round in 2011.

And what comes to Partanen, he's a good player but I suspect that part of his good performance against the players of his own age is due to the fact that he's physically well developed for a kid of his age.
PARTANEN Mika 18.10.1992 Helsinki 187 86 FIN L (stats so far in CSM: 5th in scoring 8gp 12g+5a=17p)
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the goalie I have not seen play since last year so was still going off that, but he was the most highly ranked goalie in Finland for his age last year.
Strange that there is organization that ranks players that are this young. What is the purpose of this and how can you make reliable rankings from a big mass of players that is scattered all around the country and doesn't play in any nationally organized league?


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Yep, you are right about that.

Yes, he's a good skater and has quite a lot of skill, but his game is far from the kind of dominance shown by Pulkkinen and Granlund last season in CSM and they were underagers then:
SNECK Jose 24.09.1992 Vantaa 175 70 FIN R (stats so far in CSM: 14th in scoring 9gp 8g+6a=14p)
PULKKINEN Teemu 02.01.1992 Vantaa 178 78 FIN R (stats in CSM last season 11gp 21g+22a=43p)
GRANLUND Mikael 26.02.1992 Oulu 175 74 FIN L (stats in CSM last season 11gp 15g+16a=31p)
So it's a bold prediction to say that Sneck is a possible 1st rounder as there are dozen other Finn's with a similar talent level in this draft class and it could be that there won't be a single Finn in the first round in 2011.

And what comes to Partanen, he's a good player but I suspect that part of his good performance against the players of his own age is due to the fact that he's physically well developed for a kid of his age.
PARTANEN Mika 18.10.1992 Helsinki 187 86 FIN L (stats so far in CSM: 5th in scoring 8gp 12g+5a=17p)

Strange that there is organization that ranks players that are this young. What is the purpose of this and how can you make reliable rankings from a big mass of players that is scattered all around the country and doesn't play in any nationally organized league?
we don't make rankings but why wouldn't I watch them I scout in the QMJHL and we are watching players that are 92 ranked, eventhough Euros are not taken this year who are 92 I took in a few games when I was over Europe...I was not over there for scouting though I took in alot of games, I had players I wanted to see and while I was over there I went to some games on teams that I wanted to see. But the QMJHL pays attention to 92's not so much 93's this year. But I travel a bit and attend tournaments for scouting that are world events and traveling Euro teams so I see alot of players, plus I like to travel so I do go over Europe once a year to.

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I scout for a team in the QMJHL but I will not give out my team, I started on these boards and love posting on them, but now I have to go on secret because some information I give might not be acceptable by the teams I work for so I will not say.

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