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02-04-2008, 06:44 PM
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You mean the Skills Competition where most of the competitors hit the ice before the puck? Pick up any book on skills, any website and it will say you should hit the ice before the puck on a slapshot.
Key word being most...and most did not win or even break 100, but thanks for backing up my point.

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02-04-2008, 07:34 PM
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Key word being most...and most did not win or even break 100, but thanks for backing up my point.

Chara hits the ice before the shot. Phaneuf hits it too far behind the puck, which is also bad form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df1TF...eature=related

3:36 - Lecavalier, 101.9 mph, clearly hits the ice.

Either way, pick up a book, or ask a coach, they'll tell you it's better to hit the ice before you hit the puck.

Basically every body is hitting the ice before they hit the puck. They even talk about "letting the stick do the work" when Pronger shoots.

Basically, you're entire point being "The Hardest Shot competition proves you should NOT hit the ice" is one of the strongest pieces of evidence to against you.


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02-04-2008, 09:26 PM
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Interestingly I am a coach and played in college...but you know everything. Enjoy slapping the ice all day.

By the way, I like how you forgot to mention the winning shot and Arnott...since the did not hit the ice 2 or 3 inches in front of the puck.


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02-04-2008, 10:47 PM
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Interestingly I am a coach and played in college...but you know everything. Enjoy slapping the ice all day.

By the way, I like how you forgot to mention the winning shot and Arnott...since the did not hit the ice 2 or 3 inches in front of the puck.
It has been said and I'll say it again, it's all about feel. Chara doesn't like to hit the ice, Pronger does. Whether you like it or not 9/10 you're going to get a better shot if you let the stick do the work, that's why the pros use one-piece sticks, they're lighter, while being more flexible and they perform better for longer periods of time.

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02-05-2008, 10:14 AM
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Interestingly I am a coach and played in college...but you know everything. Enjoy slapping the ice all day.

By the way, I like how you forgot to mention the winning shot and Arnott...since the did not hit the ice 2 or 3 inches in front of the puck.
How do you win a Hardest Shot competition without shooting the puck the hardest? Zdeno Chara - 103.1 mph. Jeez, I even gave you a video.

Like it's been said before, Chara does not like to hit the ice as much. With his size, he might break more sticks due to the length he has to use. His stick looks like a piece of spaghetti on break out passes.

It's not a matter of where you played or coached right now as much as common sense and sighting correct sources.

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You mean the Skills Competition where most of the competitors hit the ice before the puck? Pick up any book on skills, any website and it will say you should hit the ice before the puck on a slapshot.
Double true.

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How do you win a Hardest Shot competition without shooting the puck the hardest? Zdeno Chara - 103.1 mph. Jeez, I even gave you a video.

Like it's been said before, Chara does not like to hit the ice as much. With his size, he might break more sticks due to the length he has to use. His stick looks like a piece of spaghetti on break out passes.

It's not a matter of where you played or coached right now as much as common sense and sighting correct sources.
After reading the part in bold, I realize I am trying to discuss this with someone not playing with a full deck. Thanks anyway.

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After reading the part in bold, I realize I am trying to discuss this with someone not playing with a full deck. Thanks anyway.
Yeah, I'm eating crow on that one. I still stand by my original point.

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After reading the part in bold, I realize I am trying to discuss this with someone not playing with a full deck. Thanks anyway.
Thanks for the personal attack.
My mistake was simple proof-reading, yours is the entire principle you are trying to prove. Ok, you're played in college and coached. If we're going for appeals to authority then I'm fine by that. I asked some guys I know at work or observed them as they played.

Div I (Boston U), USHL, (Omaha) player - "yeah, hit the ice 2 to 3 inches behind the puck. Even more is fine. Watch Brett Hull he was the king of using the stick to flex."

Div I (Cornell) BCJHL player - Yes.

Div I (Yale), EJHL (Apple Core) player - Yes.

Div III player, HS coach, Youth hockey director - "Absolutely hit the ice. Hitting the puck first you are more likely to flub the puck or tip it on it side causing it to flutter"

4-time Stanley Cup winner player, former NHL, IHL, coach - "For sure"

4 time Stanley Cup winnner - Yes

Div I (Bowling Green), USHL (Omaha/Green Bay), OPJHL (Syracuse) - "Yeah, that's basic."

Div I player (Cornell) - Yes.

SPHL player, Jr national champ coach (coached a bunch of 1st round picks, many OHLers, USHLers, Div players.) - Yes.

But you played in college and coached. Where? I'm not sure, but in addition to these examples I have PHYSICS on my side. That offers a pretty strong argument.

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Your body has to be very close to the puck. Wind up and hit the ice before the puck in order to create a catapult effect with the flex of the stick.

Takes a lot of practice but when you muster it,

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You're right I have a howitzer now with all these tricks

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It's all about practice and technique

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It's all about practice and technique
You hit the nail for every other aspect in life, too

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I've scored more goals just trying to get a quick slapshot off with my head up than trying to crush the puck.

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Personally, I like to hit the ice

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Personally, I like to hit the ice
Because it works? hehe. Score one for the good guys!

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Because it works? hehe. Score one for the good guys!
I'm with you on this one. Every coach i've ever had has reflected what you are trying to get across.


And to the guy asking the question: stick length is really important too. With a short stick you will lean over more and get more force behind the shot. However, if you are like me and use a very short stick the extra velocity in your shot is pointless as the puck is very hard to keep down

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I'm with you on this one. Every coach i've ever had has reflected what you are trying to get across.


And to the guy asking the question: stick length is really important too. With a short stick you will lean over more and get more force behind the shot. However, if you are like me and use a very short stick the extra velocity in your shot is pointless as the puck is very hard to keep down
Just for information sake:

shorter stick = stiffer stick.

Nike Bauer just started marking their sticks with adjusted flex markings. Cutting down a 87 flex one inch makes the stick a 97 flex.

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I'm with you on this one. Every coach i've ever had has reflected what you are trying to get across.
Yeah, I've actually never heard anyone say otherwise.

Also, it would make flex in a shaft pointless. Actually, pointless and detrimental to your shot.

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Nike Bauer just started marking their sticks with adjusted flex markings. Cutting down a 87 flex one inch makes the stick a 97 flex.
Cool. I've always wondered why companies didn't do that.

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Cool. I've always wondered why companies didn't do that.
Companies don't do a lot of things that could make things so much easier. Like for starters USING THE SAME SIZING AS SHOES!!!

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Companies don't do a lot of things that could make things so much easier. Like for starters USING THE SAME SIZING AS SHOES!!!
Hah. Fair enough.

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Actually that's false, hitting the puck cleanly makes for a better shot. The hardest shot competition at the All-Star game was an excellent example of this.
You're an awful coach if you've been telling kids to hit the puck directly. This is hockey, not baseball.

Let me introduce you to elastic energy: http://www.exploratorium.edu/hockey/movies/onetimer.mov

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It's all about practice and technique
It's like sex, the more you do it and the better your technique the better you are

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