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Could Gainey target Bobby Holik with a faceoff % of 58.1?

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02-10-2008, 05:57 PM
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Holik is a guy I targeted a while ago as a wishful acquisition. He's big, strong, defensive. He wins face-offs. He's won the SC. He can still be a mean, physcial player. At the very least, I would worry less about getting pushed around with him in the line-up.

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02-10-2008, 06:09 PM
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I am all for getting Holik. I have noticed that everyteam that wins a championship have one at least one useful old veteran on their team, it's a funny fact. Holik would bring both leadership and experience on our team plus he's great at faceoffs. I would be thrilled to see him become a hab as long as we don't give up so much for him. Knowing that Chipchura is more on the team's long term plans, I'd trade Lapierre for him straight up...
I wouldn't be willing to give up Lapierre for Holik. The Habs lack players in the system that play his style. I also think he's on his way to developing into a solid third line player. I think the Ryder + pick/prospect makes a lot of sense for both teams. I'd be willing to bet Hossa gets traded by the deadline. It looks like he wants out. I think Waddell will find a trade that won't hurt his team this year and will help him in the future.

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02-10-2008, 06:11 PM
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that was a useful comment might wanna stick to topic instead of going into personal attack mode

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Just about as useful a comment as you pointing out that a 37 year old Bobby Holik is not as good as he used to be.

Duh.

The original poster was suggesting him as a faceoff specialist - which he's still excellent at.

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02-10-2008, 06:46 PM
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Holik would be a solid addition if we don't have to give up to much to get him. Our lack of success in the faceoff circle has killed us all season and his size and physical presence would be welcome as we've been bullied in our last three losses. Smolinski is completely washed up and Lapierre should not be a centre on a contending team. He's fast but he has zero vision and creativity, a weak shot, and his body checks are just don't pack any punch. Lappy should either be on the wing or watching from the pressbox. I like the kid but he'll be nothing more than a spare part in this league.

As someone else suggested, since Chipchura is our shutdown centre of the future, I'd do Lappy for Holik straight up. However, with things so tight in Atlanta's division, I doubt they would make this trade.

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02-10-2008, 06:51 PM
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Holik would be a great 3rd line center. I would love trade for Holik, and then bring up Chipchura and try and have Holik mentour Chipchura for the rest of the season and playoffs. Holik is the exact kind of player we want Chipchura to develop into.

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02-10-2008, 07:08 PM
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I would love Holik. He's the perfect fit for the habs third line Along side Latendresse and S. kostitsyn.

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02-10-2008, 11:11 PM
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I'd be all for getting the guy. We desperately need some toughness and size up front. We need a face-off specialist too. He is also a capable 2 way center. He has lots of experience and is a UFA. He wouldn't cost a lot. We need the guy. Better him than nothing... Maybe we can even re-sign him if he asks for less money(a lot less). He's been pretty good this season.

I am almost hoping we get him here! alongside a signed Hossa

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02-10-2008, 11:26 PM
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I would love Holik. He's the perfect fit for the habs third line Along side Latendresse and S. kostitsyn.
I like it alot. This is providing Holik's level of play. S.Kostitsyn has fire and if Latendresse can put some grit into his game with Holik making sure both boys stay grounded, could be nice.

I would like for Latendresse to be more mean.

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Great 3rd line centre, wins faceoffs, can chip in offensively, he's big and best of all he's won two Stanley Cups.

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A big third line centerman to can win face-offs and could score goals? I would take a bundle of that. That's just what we needs and Smolinsky could not provide.

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02-11-2008, 06:55 AM
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These small trades at deadline time sometimes add the most to a team. A few examples would be Steve Thomas to Anaheim in '03, Roloson to Edmonton in '06, Chris Simon to Calgary in '04, there are many examples. But it is all according to the price.

Stars take longer to fit into a new system.

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02-11-2008, 07:09 AM
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These small trades at deadline time sometimes add the most to a team. A few examples would be Steve Thomas to Anaheim in '03, Roloson to Edmonton in '06, Chris Simon to Calgary in '04, there are many examples. But it is all according to the price.

Stars take longer to fit into a new system.
Roloson was not a small trade, I think he cost Edmonton a 1st rounder maybe more.

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02-11-2008, 07:39 AM
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Roloson was not a small trade, I think he cost Edmonton a 1st rounder maybe more.
Roloson was a little bit bigger trade than the others I mentioned. Hedberg to Pittsburgh back in '01 would be a better example. Those little trades that plugs a hole in the team return better results then trading for a star player. Corey Stillman to Tampa back in '04 would be another good example.

Stars take too long to fit into a new system to get the maximum results out of them. Forsberg to Nashville last year would be an example....Owen Nolan to Toronto a few years back...another example. The list is long..Bondra to Ottawa...Leetch to Toronto. Many trades of stars that did not produce the expected results.

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Roloson was a little bit bigger trade than the others I mentioned. Hedberg to Pittsburgh back in '01 would be a better example. Those little trades that plugs a hole in the team return better results then trading for a star player. Corey Stillman to Tampa back in '04 would be another good example.

Stars take too long to fit into a new system to get the maximum results out of them. Forsberg to Nashville last year would be an example....Owen Nolan to Toronto a few years back...another example. The list is long..Bondra to Ottawa...Leetch to Toronto. Many trades of stars that did not produce the expected results.
...especially when they are rental players. I think at this point if I was Gainey I would need more than a rental to move a 1st rounder or blue chip prospect(Max Pac McDonagh Chipchura etc).

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02-11-2008, 10:51 AM
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...especially when they are rental players. I think at this point if I was Gainey I would need more than a rental to move a 1st rounder or blue chip prospect(Max Pac McDonagh Chipchura etc).
I wouldn't give a high prospect or first round pick for Holik either.

I think Gainey would look into trading Ryder or Dandeneault maybe... and something else would be added to round up the deal either way (Atlanta or Montreal).

I also would favor trading Ryder for draft picks over getting Holik. Yet Holik could be interesting if available.

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02-11-2008, 08:47 PM
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whats with the faceoff train? you wanna pick up a guy at that salary just to win faceoffs?

holy cow winning faceoffs isnt our problem, ottawa kinda showed us that our team just isnt as good as our stadings.
What'sthe big deal? He's a UFA. It's not like we'd be stuck with his salary for long. Holik is huge and tough as nails as well. We can't stop the top lines on other teams and Smoilinksi certainly isn't the answer. I'd go after Holik in a NY minute.

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02-11-2008, 11:00 PM
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I am almost hoping we get him here! alongside a signed Hossa
Hossa will cost too much in a trade.

However, if we get Holik and he likes his time here, he may say a good word to Hossa.

Still Hossa may cost too much next season anyway.

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