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02-12-2008, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by levski87 View Post
I've been reading most of the posts on this website recently and I can sense that most people don't seem to like Shanny to much. The truth is, I'd rather have Shanny than Jagr. Shanny has one of the most accurate and fast shots in the game today. Granted, he is old and lost much of his speed. He isn't a great puck handler but he can certainly shoot. It feels like the Rangers are afraid to shoot nowadays, just look at the PP. Its just a bunch of cycling around the boards. I remember Shanny shooting the puck during a PP vs Toronto about 3-5 times. The truth is that, he is much better than Jagr CURRENTLY. Hes not afraid to shoot, which the rest of the team should understand.

Does no one get the feeling that Jagr just doesn't care?? Teammates are suppose to look to their captain for an answer, but Jagr seems to shrug everything off with the whole "... thats just how it is" attitude. Thats a Captain?... My idea of improvement is :

1) Get rid of this whole cycling the pick in the offensive zone, it just ends up to a turnover always. We cant always depend on garbage goals... One Question, Why does Renney actually play this style? Does he feel that there isn't enough depth to score a decent goal?

2) Get Jagr off the PP ASAP. Add speed to it! Maybe watch how Montreal does it, and then apply it to us? No?..

3) Rangers have no heart in their playing! It stems from Renney to the Captain, Jagr. Simply, give the Captain title to the player that WANTS to win and shows it night in and night out. We need an emotional boost to start winning. It's not that we are a bad team, its the fact that we just don't care to win.

Oh btw, an answer to WHY people like to play for the Rangers. First of all, I doubt most players to come here to play in MSG. Granted it is an amazing arena with a deep past, but thats not the real motive. Money talks! Thats why Drury is here and thats why Gomez is here. We are one of the few teams that can give players such a highly valued contract!.. Throw in a penthouse in NY and it pretty much sums up why they "like" to play here.

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Um.....you know all teams have the same cap to deal with right? That happened a couple years back now, so money is kinda the same everywhere you go. Actually probably less in NY now, because of cost of living adjustments and taxes.

I think Jagr's time and benefit to NY is over. He should be moved. I've been repeating myself since before he season started.

Shanny doesn't hit the cap the same way other players do and I expect him to retire at the end of the year. He still has a solid shot and provides veteran leadership and a positive rolemodel that some of the younger players can look up to.

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dont forget that shanny only scores a PP goal every 8 games or so. give him first line minutes!

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With all the teams in the hunt, you'd get a GREAT deal for Jagr. How is trading someone at the end of his career for great prospects or young NHL ready players dumb?

If you could get a guy like Bernier and don't do it and we don't win the SC. WE'RE THE LAUGHING STOCK for not making the trade.
i dont kno i give up, i feel bad, i try every possible way to still be his fan

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Originally Posted by mstraka82 View Post
i dont kno i give up, i feel bad, i try every possible way to still be his fan
it has nothing to do with not being his fan...i love jagr, i am so glad the rangers traded for him when they did and glad he was here the past few seasons....but, he isnt cutting it now....and his value is still vry high because of his name and the fact that he hasnt totally declined.....there comes a time when a player can helo the team by leaving and being traded....this is his time

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Originally Posted by Rags225 View Post
Apparantly Jagr i going back to Russia after this season. This will definately lower his trade value a little I think.

Nowhere at all in that article does it say that Jagr is going back to Russian after this season. Jagr has said all along that he would like to return to Omsk at the end of his NHL career. This is not new news. But last I heard, he hasn't made the decision to end his NHL career. In fact, he's said multiple times that he wants to remain in NY. His fear right now is that the Rangers will no longer want him after this season.

By the way, the interview with Konstantin Potapov that you linked to only came about because a reporter took something Jagr said about wanting to (someday) return to Omsk in an interview last week and ran with it. Here's the original interview:

Jaromir Jagr: "I'm Willing to Return to Russia"

The best player in the world over the past decade, captain of the New York Rangers, who appeared for Avangard during the lock out, gave an interview to SE [Sport-Express].

Vasily Ocipov
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The well-know, pathos-arousing[?] Rangers are in crisis. The club which last summer once again began to shake its tight purse and bought up by the gross all probable free agents, were defeated on Tuesday in their own arena by the Los Angeles Kings, the worst team in the league, and yesterday, by Anaheim.

An unhealthy situation in the New York camp on Wednesday confirmed the state of emergency -- a fight in practice between enforcer Avery and Czech defender Malik. During one drill Avery advised the two-meter tall Czech to "stop being so soft", which he immediately did, dropping his gloves and dispatching his "advisor" with several quick blows in an easy knock down. According to rumors, the Czech defender's days in NY are numbered.

This fight has painfully struck the interests of the Rangers captain, Jaromor Jagr, who in fact lobbied for the acquisition of Malik. Add to that the fact that yesterday for the first time this season Rangers fans have booed their idol Jaromir, who has not scored now in seven games straight and not picked up any points in five.

You correspondent can brag of an old acquaintance with number 68. Except in recent days Jagr has refused all requests for interviews with SE. I had no doubt that he would refuse after the game with Anaheim. But -- by miracle! -- seeing me, the Czech willingly began a conversation. And indeed he made several sensational statements which for admirers of Russian hockey are of special interest.

- Jaromir, why have you, the best player in the world, ceased to score?

- Yes, there is a certain slump present in my game, and in the game of the club. But it's not worth making a tragedy out of it. All slumps come to an end sooner or later.

- For two weeks now I have wanted to ask you about the Victoria Cup, in which on October 1st in Bern your Rangers will meet Metallurg from Magnitigorsk.

- To be honest, I'm not sure that by then I will still play for the Rangers -- you could see that happen. I have to thoroughly consider it and reach a decision this summer (on July 1st the Czech can become an unrestricted free agent - V.O.). In any case, I think that for the Rangers the trip to Europe will be an excellent experience and test of strength.

- There exists an opinion, whereby the NHL, in organizing such tournaments, makes a profit off the players, exploits them. For example, the captain of Anaheim, Pronger, maintains that at the start of the season his club's palm was greased for the October tour in London.

- I don't agree with this opinion. Many of the guys on our team already now talk about the trip to Bern with excitement. Especially since during preseason it is always helpful to have a change of scenery to dilute the cheerless practice time.

- Do you think the difference in the preparation of the teams will affect the outcome of the game -- in fact in Russia the season will already be at its height, and the Rangers will only be beginning to prepare for official games?

- No. I believe that when teams in the NHL are first gathering, passions at times boil more intensely then in some matches in the regular season. In fact in the autumn many players are trying to win a place on the roster, fighting for a place on the team. So I assure you it will not be an easy walk for Magnitigorsk!

- Russia still recollects your triumphant play for Avangard in 2004/2005 with delight. Do you follow the Russian Superleague?.

- It's impossible to watch it closely, but I still have many friends in Omsk who try to keep me posted about the most important events.

- And do you remember the beautiful goal what you scored against Magnitigork in overtime in the deciding game of the playoff series?

- Of course I remember (the Czech for the first time recent weeks smiles - V.O.). It was a great moment for me, for Avangard and for all of Omsk. It's possible to call it one of the best moments in my career.

- Did you see the the incident last week where your "friend" from the 2006 Olympics, Jarkko Ruutu, nearly caused serious injury to Ilya Kovalchuk?

- To tell the truth, I did not have time to study the recording.

- But you at least heard that it occurred?

- Of course. It is hard to say why there are players in our league who try to play "to the bone"[?], to purposely cause the opponent injury. Ruutu, frankly, is a dirty player. When he threw me into the boards in Turin, I thought that I would end up an invalid.

- Are you surprised by the head-on speed of your successor in Washington, Alexander Ovechkin?

- Here there cannot be two opinions: the guy can do incredible things! It is obvious that he really feels confidence in his strength and has realized the responsibility which lies with him as the best player on the team. Especially since at 20 years old, you play essentially on emotions. Look how that guy gushes energy!

- Have you not thought returning to Russia?

- I've thought about it - and more than once. I'll say more: I've said repeatedly that I want to return. And once something is promised it is necessary to carry it out. I never felt anything similar to what it was like in Omsk. Tremendous fans, the complete support of the governor, and what a team we had! It's not something you forget, and so I very much hope to repeat those sensations.

As you see, all he's saying is that he'd like to go back and play in Omsk... someday. This is nothing new, he's said all this before...

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Originally Posted by levski87 View Post
1) Get rid of this whole cycling the pick in the offensive zone, it just ends up to a turnover always. We cant always depend on garbage goals... One Question, Why does Renney actually play this style? Does he feel that there isn't enough depth to score a decent goal?
Its without any doubt the only way to win a cup in this league right now, just look at Anaheim and Detroit for example, so its no mystery why Renney plays that style.

You cannot win without the puck, or when exchanging chances, in this league.

Because sooner or later you will face one team that doesn't exchange chances with you, like what happend to Ottawa when they played Anaheim last season. That team will put you on your back, draw penaltys and sooner or later prevail on the scoreboard. Påhlsson, Moen and R. Niedermayer actually outscored Alfie-Heatly-Spezza when they where united in that finals. They got the puck deep on them, and circled and circled.

Last season, we got the circles gooing regulary. But we had problems finnishing. We wheren't very effective. This year we got in enough finnishing skills, but we lost in the circling department. Its not like we are circling and circling this season without beeing able to finnish. Most games we play are pretty close.

One big reason for why we have scored so few goals is that we often get behind early, or play in close games so we seldom gets a chance to play our game against a team chasing offense. Its when you lead 3-1 after 40 minutes, a game often finnishes 5-2 or something. When you are behind 2-1, or a game is tied 1-1 after 40 minutes the game often finnishes 2-1 or 1-1, because neither team opens up.

We got allot of new pices, allot of players have struggled, we have some flaws; thats why we are 7th in the east -- its not our systems fault. Atleast I defenitly don't belive that.

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