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02-21-2008, 12:40 PM
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I find it funny some of you keep up bringing the argument that Ryder managed to score 30 goals. Big deal. Tanguay's career high is 29, averaging about 25, not much difference. Sure hes player with some great guys, but hes also made his linemates score more (you dont get 50 assists with secondaries) which Ryder does not.

I've always liked Ryder, but I would easily trade him, and little more, for Tanguay - whose speed would make already quick Habs very difficult to contain.

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02-21-2008, 12:44 PM
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Personally I don't even want Tanguay to come here. There must be a reason that Calgary seems to be trying desperately to get rid of him, plus I'm afraid that he will cost to much for someone i feel just isn't worth giving up a lot when we could use those same assets to get a better player such as Hossa or like suggested in another thread, Brad Richards.

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02-21-2008, 12:46 PM
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Personally I don't even want Tanguay to come here. There must be a reason that Calgary seems to be trying desperately to get rid of him, plus I'm afraid that he will cost to much for someone i feel just isn't worth giving up a lot when we could use those same assets to get a better player such as Hossa or like suggested in another thread, Brad Richards.
I doubt Calgary really is desperately trying to trade him. I think it's more hf talk, just like the Ryder and Halak talk.

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02-21-2008, 12:49 PM
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I doubt Calgary really is desperately trying to trade him. I think it's more hf talk, just like the Ryder and Halak talk.
Perhaps, but it seems like his name comes up in all the trade speculation. Maybe they're not "desperately" trying to trade him, but its seeming more and more like they really would like to move him, and if it is true, i wonder why...

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I dont understand why people is bashing a regular 70 pts guy...Tanguay to Mtl for Ryder and a pick would be awesome for 2 main reasons...

1) Tanguay is an upgrade over Ryder
2) Ryder is UFA and Tanguay got one more year left in his contract

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02-21-2008, 12:50 PM
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then we should wait and sign huselius...
Very good point... I think the same thing!

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02-21-2008, 12:51 PM
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I dont understand why people is bashing a regular 70 pts guy...Tanguay to Mtl for Ryder and a pick would be awesome for 2 main reasons...

1) Tanguay is an upgrade over Ryder
2) Ryder is UFA and Tanguay got one more year left in his contract

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02-21-2008, 01:01 PM
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I find it funny some of you keep up bringing the argument that Ryder managed to score 30 goals. Big deal. Tanguay's career high is 29, averaging about 25, not much difference. Sure hes player with some great guys, but hes also made his linemates score more (you dont get 50 assists with secondaries) which Ryder does not.

I've always liked Ryder, but I would easily trade him, and little more, for Tanguay - whose speed would make already quick Habs very difficult to contain.
Averaging 25 goals when Peter Forsberg is your centerman isn't impressive.

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02-21-2008, 01:13 PM
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Averaging 25 goals when Peter Forsberg is your centerman isn't impressive.
2005-2006 without Forsberg

71gp 29g 49a 78p +8

2003-2004 Forsberg only played 39 games.

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02-21-2008, 01:15 PM
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Right... with Iginla. This year he's got something like 12 goals.

And again, nobody is saying he doesn't have talent. But if Forsberg is your center and you're averaging 25, that's not anything to get excited about.

Edit: Sorry 05-06 he was with Sakic.

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02-21-2008, 01:17 PM
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Right... with Iginla. This year he's got something like 12 goals.

And again, nobody is saying he doesn't have talent. But if Forsberg is your center and you're averaging 25, that's not anything to get excited about.
I didn't know Iginla played for the Colorado Avalanches in 2005-06.

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I didn't know Iginla played for the Colorado Avalanches in 2005-06.
Sorry I edited it above.

I guess Sakic is chopped liver.

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02-21-2008, 01:17 PM
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that's kind of a circular argument - put Iginla on a line with Kosto and Begin and he's going to get less pts. Playing with a talented guy like Tanguay helps Iginla and Forsberg too

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that's kind of a circular argument - put Iginla on a line with Kosto and Begin and he's going to get less pts. Playing with a talented guy like Tanguay helps Iginla and Forsberg too
Of course.

But the argument here has been... "look at Tanguay, he gets almost as many goals as Ryder does..."

Fair enough. But Ryder hasn't been playing with Forsberg, Sakic and Iginla. Its not a fair comparison. Sakic, Forsberg and Iginla are franchise level elite players.

It doesn't mean that Tanguay doesn't deserve credit or that he's bad. But there is a huge difference in the talent level of the guys he's played with over the years.

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02-21-2008, 01:20 PM
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Tanguay is not a superstar, but he's underrated around here.

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02-21-2008, 01:27 PM
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Warrener is an excellent physical-stay at home D-Man, yet he is injury prone....... OB/ Warrener, I may opt for OB considering the injury "thing". It's just another opportunity for the FLAMES to loosen $$$ tied up in vets and the HABS to sweeten the pot for Tanguay ( Tanguay for Ryder straight ain't gonna happen IMO )

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02-21-2008, 03:41 PM
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Personally I don't even want Tanguay to come here. There must be a reason that Calgary seems to be trying desperately to get rid of him, plus I'm afraid that he will cost to much for someone i feel just isn't worth giving up a lot when we could use those same assets to get a better player such as Hossa or like suggested in another thread, Brad Richards.
+1

Tanguay is not the kind of player you want to load your salary cap with... unless they want to do some kind of "samsonov deal" where they pay us to unload him, i wouldn't consider trading for him.

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02-21-2008, 03:58 PM
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Then, don't use the 30 goals argument, please...

Did you see both Tanguay goals yesterday? He had the 1st star too...
If you want to teach others about bad measuring sticks, then don't use one single game as yours.

Tanguay, a top 10 winger in your own words, couldn't even make Montreal's top line.

Don't want him unless its for nearly nothing.

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Tanguay is not the kind of player you want to load your salary cap with... unless they want to do some kind of "samsonov deal" where they pay us to unload him, i wouldn't consider trading for him.
Say what you will about Tanguay he's still a HUGE upgrade over Ryder. Even when he was scoring 30 goals every Habs fans hated Ryder. Not only Tanguay has more potential than Ryder but he's more a well-rounded player has far as vision, passing, etc...

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02-21-2008, 04:43 PM
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I believe we have a a very good offensive team and can you imagine our PP with Tanguay on the second unit.

Who backs up Price next year if we move Halak? Huet is an UFA, if we lose him we have Price who may or may not be ready for the starting position and Danis (who we could also lose) and who else? I think it would be wise to keep Halk and Price together.
I think that we've seen Price is able to be a #1 goalie in the NHL. As for a backup, there's plenty of backup goalie you can find during the off-season. And all of that is if we don't sign Huet next year.

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