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02-23-2008, 09:16 PM
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I think ever since he had that shoulder injury he hasn't been the same and doesn't play his game. Seriously, when was the last time you saw Higgins crash and bang? I haven't this season and you can tell from his hit totals.

If Gainey can trade him for Hossa I think it maybe a blessing in disguise because I don't think we will see that Higgins here again until he gets confidence back into that shoulder.
i disagree, higgins was dominant in the start of this season. He has completely lost it though. some benching might be needed...

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02-23-2008, 09:17 PM
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http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=431516

read this... and look at the date.
Your point being??

You want everybody to know that you think he's a crappy player since the start of the year. Good for you.

Proves nothing other then your not a fan of Chris Higgins

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02-23-2008, 09:19 PM
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No...Higgins is a beast when he's controling the play in the offensive and fighting for the puck. He's been none of that for 3/4 of the season. Lest not frigging turn him in to Thomas Sundstrom....if that's the case then trade him now.
Yeah, but that's my point: he can do that, but only infrequently. And can he consistently turn that "beast-like effort" into goals? He just doesn't seem to be able to bring it frequently enough to be a first liner. So maybe his best role is a 3rd line defensive specialist. Besides, when defending a lead, you want a player that can keep the puck in the offensive zone, down low.

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02-23-2008, 09:19 PM
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I think your the only one on this whole board that agrees with me on that.
No...we all know Koivu is old small and weak..

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02-23-2008, 09:19 PM
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I think your the only one on this whole board that agrees with me on that.
Naaaa you're not alone, we can't diss Koivu about his effort level, but with all his injuries, illness, his wrecking ball style of play, he's wearing down fast...

About Higgins, somebody mentionned the A on his jersey, and I think it's exactly the problem, he puts too much pressure on himself... strip him of his A and give it to Hamrlik or Komisarek, it could help him regain some confidence.

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02-23-2008, 09:20 PM
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i disagree, higgins was dominant in the start of this season. He has completely lost it though. some benching might be needed...
I never saw that dominace.

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02-23-2008, 09:20 PM
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Naaaa you're not alone, we can't diss Koivu about his effort level, but with all his injuries, illness, his wrecking ball style of play, he's wearing down fast...

About Higgins, somebody mentionned the A on his jersey, and I think it's exactly the problem, he puts too much pressure on himself... strip him of his A and give it to Hamrlik or Komisarek, it could help him regain some confidence.
My biggest concern with Saku is that he seems to be back to the guy who took 2-3 minor penalties a game from last season.

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02-23-2008, 09:21 PM
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Seriously guys, mark my words. I've been saying for about 1 year now that this player is nothing so special. I was called crazy, ignorant, stupid, and a whole lot bunch of other names by my fellow Habs fans. I even have the link(s) to prove it.

Should Gaieny trade him? I've been saying this for a year now : YES! He'll end up being the next Michael Ryder. Mark my words. He's gonna stay about at this caliber for the next years and he will have as much of a big value as Ryder does presently. Turning down a Hossa trade because Waddell wants Higgins could be the biggest mistake ever made by Bob Gainey in his career.
I kind of agree with you. While Higgins is clearly underachieving this year, their is a strong tendency on these boards to overate our players. Higgins has had good MOMENTS, but no good SEASONS. Overated at this point, with unclear future.

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02-23-2008, 09:22 PM
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He does alot of meditation/ positive visualization stuff in the summer but it doesn't appear to be doing jack **** for him right now.

Where is the Higgins that would out work everyone on the boards and come out with the puck? It's not only the hands that aren't there, it's his head and hustle. Sergei looks way better than he does right now.
Agreed. Higgins didnt need any help from anyone early in the season. It has nothing to do with his linemates.

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02-23-2008, 09:22 PM
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I kind of agree with you. While Higgins is clearly underachieving this year, their is a strong tendency on these boards to overate our players. Higgins has had good MOMENTS, but no good SEASONS. Overated at this point, with unclear future.
I agree. Good assessment.

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02-23-2008, 09:25 PM
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I never saw that dominace.
I did.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=428938

And I'd add...you havent watched this team alot in the last 2 years to not have seen it.

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02-23-2008, 09:27 PM
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http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=431516

read this... and look at the date.
The problem is that people were expecting way too much from him... he was vastly overrated last summer/year (40 goals scorer...) and the kind of opinion you were voicing was not popular on these boards (almost to the level of saku). Now, the majority sees that he's not the player they thought he was...

Last summer, I recall a poll was made about who should be the next captain of the team ? the majority were answering higgins. a few months later, the same poll shows that only a small minority wants him as the next captain. bandwagonners.

personally, i have no problem with the way he plays... because he always played like that.

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02-23-2008, 09:31 PM
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The problem is that people were expecting way too much from him... he was vastly overrated last summer/year (40 goals scorer...) and the kind of opinion you were voicing was not popular on these boards (almost to the level of saku). Now, the majority sees that he's not the player they thought he was...

Last summer, I recall a poll was made about who should be the next captain of the team ? the majority were answering higgins. a few months later, the same poll shows that only a small minority wants him as the next captain. bandwagonners.
Hmm .. I think thats going too far to be honest, calling people bandwagonners. The fact is, where has Higgins leadership been the past couple months? Even in the big huge comeback win vs the Rangers, where was Higgins? Frankly, Komisarek's leadership abilities have developped and surpassed Higgins by miles, thus why a lot of people have changed their opinion.

Its a case of Higgins stagnating or regressing and Komisarek developping beyond expectations, and I ain't talking skills wise only either.

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02-23-2008, 09:31 PM
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The problem is that people were expecting way too much from him... he was vastly overrated last summer/year (40 goals scorer...) and the kind of opinion you were voicing was not popular on these boards (almost to the level of saku). Now, the majority sees that he's not the player they thought he was...

Last summer, I recall a poll was made about who should be the next captain of the team ? the majority were answering higgins. a few months later, the same poll shows that only a small minority wants him as the next captain. bandwagonners.
I dont judge a player on Hype. I judge on what I see. And what I saw of Higgins last season and at the start of the season prompted that other thread I posted in my previous post. I rarely make appreaciation threads unless something remarkable is happening.

I thinkt that those who are comming out now saying he was overrated are just totaly ignore a stretch of 60-80 games where he WAS one of the top players on this team. I find it absolutly astounding that people would throw that away just like that and say "I knew it all along" that just so full of it....

I bigger problem with people who come out of the woodworks and say such and such is overrated then with people who actualy overrate the players. Specificaly when the player is playing his worst hockey as a Habs. I dont know how any one can say they expected that kind of crappy play.

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02-23-2008, 09:38 PM
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I did.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=428938

And I'd add...you havent watched this team alot in the last 2 years to not have seen it.
I'm saying this year...and I watch every game I have RDS so I haven't missed a game on RDS since they have all the games from CBC and TQS.

Higgins last year before the injury was the player we were all excited about, ever since that injury to the ankle and the shoulder I do believe he doesn't have the confidence in his body, not his game.

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02-23-2008, 09:43 PM
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I'm saying this year...and I watch every game I have RDS so I haven't missed a game on RDS since they have all the games from CBC and TQS.

Higgins last year before the injury was the player we were all excited about, ever since that injury to the ankle and the shoulder I do believe he doesn't have the confidence in his body, not his game.
This thread is from this year...and was based on this seasons's play up to this point.

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02-23-2008, 09:52 PM
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This thread is from this year...and was based on this seasons's play up to this point.
Up to the point you started that thread Higgins had 2 assists in the first 3 games, he was shooting a lot in the beginning but I didn't find him dominate. He had more of a jump in game and like I said was shooting more, I didn't see that hard hitting and digging in the corners like I did the year before.

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02-23-2008, 09:56 PM
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higgins will never be a goal scorer. his doing what he was projected to be when we drafted him a good two way player strong with the puck can skate and score atleast 20 goals nothing more hes not even close to becoming a iginla so im all trading him if u get hossa but ill only do it if he signs . and going with gainey thinking that the team has chemistry and all that if gainey stans pat which honestly ill be dissapointed but not upset . this team will not go far in playoffs .

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Up to the point you started that thread Higgins had 2 assists in the first 3 games, he was shooting a lot in the beginning but I didn't find him dominate. He had more of a jump in game and like I said was shooting more, I didn't see that hard hitting and digging in the corners like I did the year before.
It wasnt about the points. It was about how he controled the game and he did so for 15 games or so. I was better than at any point in his carreer before and that's what prompted me to start that thread. Not his points...not his goals. It's not about the stats now either. People dont care about those is they see the player play hard and contribute.

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02-23-2008, 10:33 PM
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02-23-2008, 10:53 PM
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He's just overrated. Nothing more, nothing less.

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02-23-2008, 10:55 PM
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I mean seriously.

In his last 23 games he has SEVEN points! (3g 4a)

What happened to the player we saw at the beginning of the season who at times looked dominant with the puck in the offensive zone? Is he playing hurt? Is it just a result of Saku falling apart this year?
I dont know but he doesnt even pay attentoin when a direct break out pass was made to him in the first period by S.K. I'm on the anti higgins bandwagon right now even though he was my FAVOURITE hab by a mile, not even a short while ago. I don't want him traded at all, just START PLAYING LIKE UR THE CAPTAIN OF THE US JUNIORS A COUPLE SEASONS BACK. He's not even a former shadow of himself right now, its just unbelieavable. And Yvon, stop ****ing calling him a power forward for god's sake.

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02-23-2008, 10:57 PM
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I think he knows he's going to be traded and it shows in his game...
I agree ,this would have a big impact in my game!!IMHO

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02-23-2008, 10:59 PM
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There's no denying that he's sucked since the beginning of January but he's the kind of guy we have to be patient with. Hopefully Bob doesn't deal him because he'll be good for us in the coming years. Solid 2nd line winger with guts and leadership.

I just wish I knew what the hell is wrong with him because he's got absolutely no confidence right now.

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Seriously guys, mark my words. I've been saying for about 1 year now that this player is nothing so special. I was called crazy, ignorant, stupid, and a whole lot bunch of other names by my fellow Habs fans. I even have the link(s) to prove it.
So let's recap, since about an year, you've been saying that people here are calling you names and that you have links to proove it, am I correct ?

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