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Bolts resign Boyle [6 years, est. $40 million]

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02-25-2008, 10:52 PM
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I'm a little surprised. Not from the perspective of Tampa wanting Boyle back, and Boyle wanting to stay. I think there was a mutual desire to get a deal done.

But with Tampa's ownership situation, I was expecting Boyle to be moved. I think this is another sign that Richards is on his way out, either before the deadline, or this summer.

He's one of the top offensive defencemen in the league, maybe one of the top five. On the surface, it seems like a lot of money, but he's a Cup champion, a second team all-star, and when you consider the other contracts tossed around for defencemen, $6.67 million isn't a big overpayment.
Its not the cap hit that is the most rediculous part. Giving Boyle (who is 32) a 6 year contract and a NTC is what pushes this over the top.

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Markov's contract seems better and better..... Damn even Hamrlik seems to have a reasonable deal at this point.

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Wow, thats a lot of money for him and for way too long.

6.6 million for a 38 year old dman?

Not very smart IMO.

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02-25-2008, 11:04 PM
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Its not the cap hit that is the most rediculous part. Giving Boyle (who is 32) a 6 year contract and a NTC is what pushes this over the top.
But he hasn't played the amount of hockey that you'd expect for a 32-year-old. He didn't become an NHL regular until he was 25, almost 26. Guys who were a little older when they became NHL regulars, and go on to stardom, tend to remain at the high level a little longer than you'd expect.

And, of course, with the advanced training techniques, we're seeing guys at an elite level longer than they used to. Many of today's top NHL defenceman are in their mid-30s. He's a guy who I could see playing at a high level into his 30s, because he got a late start in the show.

He did suffer a serious injury this year, but that was a freak incident, not a wear and tear injury.

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02-25-2008, 11:07 PM
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Okay. This has all been said but let's put this all together...

$6.6 is way too much even for the first year of the contract when he is 32/33 years old. It is WAY too much 6 years later. Boyle is simply not that good. Overpayment by at least $.6 per year, likely more. A no-trade clause? Wow.

Feaster is in the process of trading Richards and he is not going to get value for him because of his contract. So hasn't he learned something in the process?

Are the Bolts actually going to lose Vinny now? I didn't think he would ever jump ship but now I'm not so sure. You don't sign his buddy Prospal, you trade his buddy Richards and now you sign Boyle to the same sort of contract that neuters the team?

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02-25-2008, 11:10 PM
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Thats rediculous. 6 years? 6.6 mil per year? a NTC? Wow.
Holy crap... didn't he learn ANYTHING from the Richards fiasco?

Other teams give out NTCs to in exchange for slightly lower salaries. Tampa overpay by a ton and throws a NYC on top?

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02-25-2008, 11:31 PM
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He's one of the top offensive defencemen in the league, maybe one of the top five. On the surface, it seems like a lot of money, but he's a Cup champion, a second team all-star, and when you consider the other contracts tossed around for defencemen, $6.67 million isn't a big overpayment.
well i'm glad there's one sensible person in this thread. after looking at what several other offensive d-men who are worse than boyle have gotten the past few years, there's nothing wrong with this contract (though 4 years would've been better).

BUT it is tampa, so it sucks and must be bashed relentlessly until some other team wants the guy, see: b. richards

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02-25-2008, 11:42 PM
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An inside look on how the contract negotiations went:

Boyle: "I'm thinking 6 years, $40 million, with a NTC."
Feaster: "YES."

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02-25-2008, 11:52 PM
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Feaster has taken this team from cup winners to cellar dwellers in just a few seasons. I was really hoping that the decision to trade Richards was a sign Feaster was starting to do what was best for the team, and then this.

This guy is an absolute waste of a GM, and owes every single TB fan a huge apology, because he just ruined this team. How this guy still has a job is AMAZING to me.

He better pull some freaking magic tricks between now and the start of next season or you may as well give TB the 1st overall next year.

And people are crying about the Prospal deal. Madness.

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02-26-2008, 12:24 AM
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I guess I'm one of the few that thinks it's about what he's worth. He's a consistent 50-60 point defenseman who logs a ton of minutes for the Lightning and is the key to their transition game leading to their offense. He's also been fairly durable, playing in at least 77 games the past four years and only missed significant time this year due to a freak injury.

Six years may be a bit long, but I think he's the type of player who should maintain his level of play late into his career. It may be a slight overpayment, but I think that you probably would have seen him get at least $6 million on the open market, if not more. With how much he means to Tampa, I understand why the felt they needed to lock him up.

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02-26-2008, 12:30 AM
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Wow, thats a lot of money for him and for way too long.

6.6 million for a 38 year old dman?

Not very smart IMO.
No kidding. Boyle is elite offensively, but defensively he isn't anything special. No way is he worth 6.6 milllion at all.

These ridiculous contracts make me value a guy like Mattias Ohlund, who is better defensively than Boyle, and making 3.5 million for another season.

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02-26-2008, 12:53 AM
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What is it with the Eastern Conf teams that consistently overpays players with ridiculous contract lengths. Is it because the the weather is colder there which causes some irreversible brain freeze damage? Boyle is a terrific player, definitely in the top 10 as far as defensmen go. But six years at $6.6m per? With an NTC to boot? How about $6M for 5 years without the NTC - which is what Rafalski got - a pretty good comparable I think. Plus Boyle doesn't kick in any hometown discount. Hard to figure this one.

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02-26-2008, 01:02 AM
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I thought Feaster was a smarter GM than this. Signing Boyle to the worst contract on the team, while jettisoning Richards? It doesn't make any sense.

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02-26-2008, 01:08 AM
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I don't get why everyone hates this deal so much when most people liked phillys signing of K.Timmonen, who was 32, got 6 years at 6.3M per year

I'd rather have boyle

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02-26-2008, 01:23 AM
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I don't get why everyone hates this deal so much when most people liked phillys signing of K.Timmonen, who was 32, got 6 years at 6.3M per year

I'd rather have boyle

Newsflash: No one thought Timonen was a good signing either. Both are terrible. Althought I admit I was wrong about Rafalski's contract, I don't think Boyle will be worth 6.6 next year, let alone when he is 36, 37, 38.

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02-26-2008, 01:51 AM
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this makes me love dave nonis even more

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02-26-2008, 02:03 AM
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As an impartial party to all of this, I'm curious as to why many of you seem to think that this is such a bad deal; length wise perhaps considering that he'll be 38 by the time the deal expires, but in terms of dollar figures, it seems about right for one of the "elite" offensive defencemen in the league:

Here are a couple of comparables and the stats for Markov, since his name has been bandied about in this thread:

Dan Boyle - 31 yrs; $6.66 mil per; 6 yr contract starting next season (UFA Signing)

07/08 - 82 14 39 53 - #11 in scoring among Dmen (Pro-rated and Projected)
06/07 - 82 20 43 63 - # 4 in scoring among Dmen
05/06 - 79 15 38 53 - #10 in scoring among Dmen
03/04 - 78 9 30 39 - #20 in scoring among Dmen
02/03 - 77 13 40 53 - # 5 in scoring among Dmen


Brian Rafalski - 34 yrs; $6 mil per; 1st yr of 5 yr contract (UFA Signing)

07/08 - 82 14 50 64 - # 3 in scoring among Dmen (Pro-rated and Projected)
06/07 - 82 8 47 55 - #12 in scoring among Dmen
05/06 - 82 6 43 49 - #17 in scoring among Dmen
03/04 - 69 6 30 36 - #24 in scoring among Dmen
02/03 - 79 3 37 40 - #19 in scoring among Dmen

Ed Jovanovski - 31 yrs; $7 mil per; 2nd yr of 5 yr contract (UFA Signing)

07/08 - 82 13 46 59 - # 5 in scoring among Dmen (Pro-rated and Projected)
06/07 - 54 11 18 29 - #46 in scoring among Dmen
05/06 - 44 8 25 33 - #51 in scoring among Dmen
03/04 - 56 7 16 23 - #67 in scoring among Dmen
02/03 - 67 6 40 46 - #10 in scoring among Dmen

Andrei Markov - 29 yrs; $5.75 mil per; 1st yr of 4 yr contract (RFA Resigning)

07/08 - 82 16 47 63 - # 4 in scoring among Dmen (Pro-rated and Projected)
06/07 - 77 6 43 49 - #17 in scoring among Dmen
05/06 - 67 10 36 46 - #20 in scoring among Dmen
03/04 - 69 6 22 28 - #46 in scoring among Dmen
02/03 - 79 13 24 37 - #25 in scoring among Dmen

So aside from a freak injury this season, Boyle has been consistantly healthier than both Rafalski and Jovo (really his most comperable comparisons given the ages and the notoriety of not being the best defensive defencemen around) and aside from this season, has outscored both by a wide margin.

The same for Markov, while only 2 years older, with the exception of this season, Boyle has out scored him by a significant amount.

So again, aside from the length of the deal, why is the dollar amount so bad? Or is it the length that makes this signing that bad - meaning that the deals for both Rafalski and Jovo are equally as bad if not worse?

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02-26-2008, 02:18 AM
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CP really looks like a genius for giving Gonchar $5 million .

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At least this can lift the spirits of Leaf fans.

Somewhat.....

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02-26-2008, 04:35 AM
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Lightnings LOVE to spend!

And another No Trade Clause? ahahahah



Man Feaster is something else. Lord....

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02-26-2008, 10:27 AM
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Why do people come here and tell us how good the deal they got with team's players?

A Habs fan comes and tell us about Markov; A Flames fan comes and tells everyone about Phaneuf deal.
Exactly. What does it really contribute to the thread anyways. Nobody really cares how good you feel about your own teams past deals.

Anyways, I think this was a bad signing. Like another poster said, I really have to wonder as well if they even negotiated.

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