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02-28-2008, 12:23 AM
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I think the goaltenders terrible play has inadvertley made our D coverage that much worse. Especially when Mason is playing. It seems every day D man is thinking way too much knowing any mistake could end up in the back of the net. Hockey is such a fast game you have to rely on instincts. Way too much overthinking going on out there. At least that's what I'm seeing

Oh and also this summer I would LOVE to see Mason traded for anything. A player a pick, I dont care anything so we can free up some money to go after a real number 1.... of course if Burke couldnt get rid of Bryzgallov and had to waive him. Doesnt give me much hope for trading mason. Might we end up like the Avs and have an extremely overpad backup?

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02-28-2008, 12:24 AM
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02-28-2008, 12:37 AM
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Honestly, I've realized this evening that due to my increased participation in the chat room this season...I have no energy left to write anything about the game after the game. Especially after night's like tonight.

Let me just say, you must learn from the past otherwise you are bound to repeat the same mistakes, but this is one of those games that you don't want to linger in the minds of the players for very long. I fully expect that tomorrow's practice will work on fundamentals and be used as a test session to try to fit Hlavac (who looked pretty good with Legwand and Erat) and Bochenski into the lineup. On the bright side, we now again have some depth to BENCH PEOPLE!!!

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I thought it was a good team effort tonight. Specifically:

Ellis was nice to make Mason feel better by also letting in a bucket of goals.
The guys showed the new guys how they played during the two 6 game losing streaks.
Several d-men allowed unmolested rushes on net to help even out the +/- ratings.
A few players tried at first but then quickly got with the program so they were all going the same direction.


Personally I'd blame the D for giving too much space (DeVries may have broken the record on one early goal-- the 1st? It's hard to keep up) and not reading off of each other. Or put a different way, the pairs didn't play as pairs.

That being said, can the forwards help out just a tiny little bit on back checking? Please? Where has our team speed gone? I know the Sabres are fast but Leggy, Erat, Dumont, Nichols, someone, needs to help out.

I know I'm in the absolute minority but I thought Mason played ok-- at least early. He clearly loses focus if he gives up goals though. After the 2nd one it was all over but the crying.

I will say this: I like a team that isn't afraid to lose big. No close heartbreakers with this group. Oh well. I just keep telling myself that 2nd in the central still likely makes the playoffs.

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02-28-2008, 02:30 AM
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Well that was only slightly embarassing.

Yeah for Hlavic, welcome and keep going! Arnott had 10 shots. That's almost 1/3 of the shots by ONE guy. And good goals by Arny. Yeah Leggy a PPG! Yeah Tootoo's fists. I liked our PP tonight. We got two goals but I liked how they were moving the puck around and getting shots. And the PK did well. Both of the Sabres PP/PK were top 10 so I'm pleased with that aspect of the game. Ummm, I think that's it.

Mason, Ellis. Either one, at this point I don't care which. Just one of them please, please make a save. A confidence boosting save. Please.

And Defense. Someone make a good pair. We get one playing well but his partner leaves his man all alone or screens the goalie.

You know what's going to happen? We're going to turn it around just enough to get that 8th slot and think alright we can beat Detroit this year. BUT with the way things are going, Detroit will end up falling just enough to slip to #2 and Dallas will stay hot and get the #1 spot and we'll have to play them in the first round.



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The 2 on 1 that resulted in the 7th goal....
You know that's sad. The fact that we are talking about a 7th goal and knowing it wasn't the last allowed.

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I thought it was a good team effort tonight. Specifically:

Ellis was nice to make Mason feel better by also letting in a bucket of goals.
The guys showed the new guys how they played during the two 6 game losing streaks.
Several d-men allowed unmolested rushes on net to help even out the +/- ratings.
A few players tried at first but then quickly got with the program so they were all going the same direction.
lol. That was funny.

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AND...that's 3 games in the span of 14 days that we have been blown out (Chicago, Dallas, Buffalo). Since we beat Detroit we have gone 2-3-2. With wins over St.Louis and Edmonton. Terrible.

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02-28-2008, 08:04 AM
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First off why do we have such bad blood against a Eastern team we hardly ever see lol

I have to agree with some, we don't have the goaltending to be a playoff team I'm afraid. We're playing fine offensively 4 goals should be enough to win or at least get a point lol

And all our highly touted defensive prospects are playing like crap and our forwards are being lazy getting back and line changes, then making a goalie have to make a save which neither of them can apparently. As soon as you see a defensive breakdown you just know they would score EVERYTIME.

Ack oh well hopefully the northwest will stop having three point games and beat up on each other and maybe we can sneak in later but for now this team is playing like the WORST team in the NHL defensively.

Ok rant over lol

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02-28-2008, 08:17 AM
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Our recent "Blow out" losses:

Buffalo game:

On the ice for the Buffalo goals:

1st Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
2nd Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Bonk
3rd Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Bonk, Tootoo
4th Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Legwand, Hlavac
5th Buffalo goal - Zanon, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Tootoo
6th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Fiddler, Nichol, Tootoo
7th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
8th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Erat, Bonk, Radulov


Our goals:

1st Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Legwand, Hlavac
2nd Preds goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
3rd Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont
4th Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont

Dallas game:

Dallas goals:

1st Dallas goal - Koistinen, de Vries, Erat, Legwand Dumont
2nd Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Smithson, Nichol, Dumont
3rd Dallas goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Fiddler, Nichol, Dumont
4th Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Bonk, Arnott, Dumont
5th Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Fiddler, Arnott, Dumont
6th Dallas goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Smithson, Nichol, Tootoo

Our goals:
1st Preds goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Erat, Bonk, Fiddler
2nd Preds goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Smithson, Arnott, Dumont
3rd Preds goal - Weber, Suter, Erat, Bonk, Dumont

Chicago game

Chicago goals:

1st Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Radulov
2nd Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Peverley
3rd Chicago goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
4th Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
5th Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Peverley
6th Chicago goal - Zanon, de Vries, Smithson, Fiddler, Ortmeyer

Our goal:

1st Nashville goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont


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02-28-2008, 10:18 AM
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- I'd like to see Bernier fly in on Tootoo face to face, skate to skate. Chump.

- You have to like what you saw out of the new guy

- It is inexcusable to win a game when you can score 3+ goals

- Our D

- Buffalo is awesome, they drank our milkshake.

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02-28-2008, 10:33 AM
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So who gets suspended by the NHL today after last nights fracas??Tootoo,Nichol---both?

I'm not sure that I've ever seen a game where one team allowed 8 ES goals.Wonder what the NHL record is.....

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02-28-2008, 10:39 AM
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Our recent "Blow out" losses:

Buffalo game:

On the ice for the Buffalo goals:

1st Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
2nd Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Bonk
3rd Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Bonk, Tootoo
4th Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Legwand, Hlavac
5th Buffalo goal - Zanon, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Tootoo
6th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Fiddler, Nichol, Tootoo
7th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
8th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Erat, Bonk, Radulov


Our goals:

1st Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Legwand, Hlavac
2nd Preds goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
3rd Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont
4th Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont

Dallas game:

Dallas goals:

1st Dallas goal - Koistinen, de Vries, Erat, Legwand Dumont
2nd Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Smithson, Nichol, Dumont
3rd Dallas goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Fiddler, Nichol, Dumont
4th Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Bonk, Arnott, Dumont
5th Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Fiddler, Arnott, Dumont
6th Dallas goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Smithson, Nichol, Tootoo

Our goals:
1st Preds goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Erat, Bonk, Fiddler
2nd Preds goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Smithson, Arnott, Dumont
3rd Preds goal - Weber, Suter, Erat, Bonk, Dumont

Chicago game

Chicago goals:

1st Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Radulov
2nd Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Peverley
3rd Chicago goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
4th Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
5th Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Peverley
6th Chicago goal - Zanon, de Vries, Smithson, Fiddler, Ortmeyer

Our goal:

1st Nashville goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont
interesting to note:
Zanon was on the ice for only 1 of those GA

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I think the goaltenders terrible play has inadvertley made our D coverage that much worse. Especially when Mason is playing. It seems every day D man is thinking way too much knowing any mistake could end up in the back of the net. Hockey is such a fast game you have to rely on instincts. Way too much overthinking going on out there. At least that's what I'm seeing

Oh and also this summer I would LOVE to see Mason traded for anything. A player a pick, I dont care anything so we can free up some money to go after a real number 1.... of course if Burke couldnt get rid of Bryzgallov and had to waive him. Doesnt give me much hope for trading mason. Might we end up like the Avs and have an extremely overpad backup?
This is so true in all of sports. You saw it with the Colts when Bob Sanders went out. The team doesn't trust his replacement near as much. So they feel they have to overcompensate for his replacement. And as you always hear coaches say, if you try to do too much, you end up providing very little.

This happens with defensemen too. You try to be perfect and give up nothing to the opposing forwards, and you end up making a mistake or taking a chance that burns you. If you have confidence in your goaltending, you feel like you can give up a mediocre scoring chance. You play within yourself, allow the weak shot from 25 feet out, and the goalie makes the save. With a goalie you don't trust, you feel the need to stop that shot from happening at all and you play aggressively on the forward, which causes you to lose your positioning which opens the door to chipping the puck by you to an open forward in all alone.

I'm not saying that above scenario happened here, but I've seen it happen a lot. It's why a lot of teams with bad goaltenders seem to give up bad scoring chances (see CBJ circa every year but this one).

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Our recent "Blow out" losses:

Buffalo game:

On the ice for the Buffalo goals:

1st Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
2nd Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Bonk
3rd Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Bonk, Tootoo
4th Buffalo goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Legwand, Hlavac
5th Buffalo goal - Zanon, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Tootoo
6th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Fiddler, Nichol, Tootoo
7th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
8th Buffalo goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Erat, Bonk, Radulov


Our goals:

1st Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Erat, Legwand, Hlavac
2nd Preds goal - Hamhuis, Weber, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
3rd Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont
4th Preds goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont

Dallas game:

Dallas goals:

1st Dallas goal - Koistinen, de Vries, Erat, Legwand Dumont
2nd Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Smithson, Nichol, Dumont
3rd Dallas goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Fiddler, Nichol, Dumont
4th Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Bonk, Arnott, Dumont
5th Dallas goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Fiddler, Arnott, Dumont
6th Dallas goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Smithson, Nichol, Tootoo

Our goals:
1st Preds goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Erat, Bonk, Fiddler
2nd Preds goal - Zidlicky, Koistinen, Smithson, Arnott, Dumont
3rd Preds goal - Weber, Suter, Erat, Bonk, Dumont

Chicago game

Chicago goals:

1st Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Radulov
2nd Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Peverley
3rd Chicago goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
4th Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Dumont, Arnott, Radulov
5th Chicago goal - Hamhuis, de Vries, Erat, Legwand, Peverley
6th Chicago goal - Zanon, de Vries, Smithson, Fiddler, Ortmeyer

Our goal:

1st Nashville goal - Zidlicky, Suter, Legwand, Arnott, Dumont
Wow just at first glance see alot of Hamhuis and everybody's favorite, The one and only Marek Zidlicky

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interesting to note:
Zanon was on the ice for only 1 of those GA
My unpopular opinion last week was that Zanon was one of our most important dmen.

I ripped him often when he first arrived but I sure am glad to have him now.

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Well, I was just posting who was on the ice. You can't take it at full value. If we really wanted to break it down accurately, we'd need to discuss which line was matched up at the time, was it a breakaway and what caused that, etc.

(I'm not saying this in favor or not in favor of a certain defensemen based on what I pasted above, just adding something which I should have put in my original post).

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Wow just at first glance see alot of Hamhuis and everybody's favorite, The one and only Marek Zidlicky
Its also interesting about Zidlicky at how he was on the ice for all but two goals of the Predators goals.

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also of note, Dumont on the ice for 12 of them

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This is so true in all of sports. You saw it with the Colts when Bob Sanders went out. The team doesn't trust his replacement near as much. So they feel they have to overcompensate for his replacement. And as you always hear coaches say, if you try to do too much, you end up providing very little.

This happens with defensemen too. You try to be perfect and give up nothing to the opposing forwards, and you end up making a mistake or taking a chance that burns you. If you have confidence in your goaltending, you feel like you can give up a mediocre scoring chance. You play within yourself, allow the weak shot from 25 feet out, and the goalie makes the save. With a goalie you don't trust, you feel the need to stop that shot from happening at all and you play aggressively on the forward, which causes you to lose your positioning which opens the door to chipping the puck by you to an open forward in all alone.

I'm not saying that above scenario happened here, but I've seen it happen a lot. It's why a lot of teams with bad goaltenders seem to give up bad scoring chances (see CBJ circa every year but this one).
good post smokie.

Last night's fiasco can be put at the feet of almost everybody....but the goalies have to make a few key saves.....if not the dmen totally implode as you mention above......and how we saw transpire last night.

I also think we had trouble handling Buffalo's speed, as we did last year. We had no answer for Derek Roy....there forecheck was relentless....and while Miller was in, they had a goalie that they felt confident could stop a decent scoring chance. Everybody saw how the game momentum changed with Thibault in there.

We are missing and will miss Martin Gelinas impact on this team, far more than most may know or care to admit.

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good post smokie.

Last night's fiasco can be put at the feet of almost everybody....but the goalies have to make a few key saves.....if not the dmen totally implode as you mention above......and how we saw transpire last night.

I also think we had trouble handling Buffalo's speed, as we did last year. We had no answer for Derek Roy....there forecheck was relentless....and while Miller was in, they had a goalie that they felt confident could stop a decent scoring chance. Everybody saw how the game momentum changed with Thibault in there.

We are missing and will miss Martin Gelinas impact on this team, far more than most may know or care to admit.
Agreed about Gelinas. I think he has a stabilizing presence that goes beyond statistics.

If I were to pick a turning point in the game...it would come after we were already down 3-0. We scored 2 goals in under 2 minutes to close the gap to 1, and almost immediately Buffalo went back down and scored a soft goal(another between the pads trickler that Mason is becoming infamous for) that put the Sabres right back to up two. Any momentum we were starting to build fizzled out right then.

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The Day After...A Report from Practice

Attended practice this afternoon at Centennial Sportsplex. Everyone was on the ice and they had a very workmanlike attitude about themselves. There was some playfulness going on between players, but not nearly as much as usual. The drills focused on flow, breakouts, board work, and a lot of 2 v 2 work before working their way up to 3 v 3 and then 5 v 5. Practiced center ice and neutral zone faceoff assignments and then I had to leave for a doctor's appointment.

With the acquisition of Hlavac and Bochenski (who was wearing #24), Kevin Klein has been moved back exclusively to defense and didn't really look out of place. Hlavac skated with Legwand and Erat today (where he looked comfortable last night in Buffalo) and Bochenski rotated with Hordichuk on the fourth line with Bonk centering and Smithson on the other wing.

As much as people were calling for a bag skate last night, you knew that that was not appropriate for the circumstances. These two practice sessions prior to leaving for Dallas will concentrate on the fundamentals and getting all the new players integrated into the lineup. There was some discussion, especially on the faceoffs and 5 v 5 end zone play, about how Dallas plays in certain situations, but for the most part we were looking to move the puck quicker up and out of our zone and trying to keep the puck away from Turco on dump-ins in order to establish a forecheck and gain control of the puck.

Lines were as follows:
Dumont - Arnott - Radulov
Erat - Legwand - Hlavac
Fiddler - Nichol - Tootoo
Hordichuk/Bochenski - Bonk - Smithson

DeVries - Hamhuis
Zidlicky - Koistinen
Suter - Weber
Zanon - Klein

Bochenski really is going to struggle to crack the lineup right now. He reminds me a lot of Ramzi Abid with his skating stride and will definitely need a playmaker on his line to maximize his offensive potential. Made a few nifty plays with the puck and demonstrated a good wrist/snap shot during drills.

Will be interesting to watch if there are any changes to the lineup tomorrow. At this point, I would venture a guess that Zanon will sit out against Dallas with Koistinen going back into the lineup. Bochenski is not going to play over Hordichuk though if that is the rotation. Dallas has too many big guys to sit Darcy, therefore Bochenski is on the outside looking in unless he moves up to take Fiddler's spot on the third line, which I simply don't see happening in the next 48 hours.

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of course the whole "story" on Bochenski was that he was out of place and a poor fit on anything but a scoring line. so it makes sense to just bench him until we see if hlavac is gonna work out with the Legwand line, and if not then give BB his chance. Otherwise playing him on the 4th line is a setup for more disappointment.

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of course the whole "story" on Bochenski was that he was out of place and a poor fit on anything but a scoring line. so it makes sense to just bench him until we see if hlavac is gonna work out with the Legwand line, and if not then give BB his chance. Otherwise playing him on the 4th line is a setup for more disappointment.
Exactly, he is a replacement for Ortmeyer and Jed wasn't seeing any ice time either. Fiddler trumps Bochenski on the third line due to his penalty killing abilities and well therefore get the ice time over Brandon. I simply don't see Bochenski getting into the lineup for a few games or unless we bomb again in Dallas and then see massive roster changes with even Klein getting ice time.

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Well, I was just posting who was on the ice. You can't take it at full value. If we really wanted to break it down accurately, we'd need to discuss which line was matched up at the time, was it a breakaway and what caused that, etc..
I know it doesnt always tell the story, I noted that last night when we were caught on a bad change. Im not sure who it was but 2 forwards stepped onto the ice right in time to earn the - even though they were only on the ice for mere seconds.

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I know it doesnt always tell the story, I noted that last night when we were caught on a bad change. Im not sure who it was but 2 forwards stepped onto the ice right in time to earn the - even though they were only on the ice for mere seconds.
i specifically remember that situation where the legwand line was getting off while the other team had an odd man rush and the arnott line was getting on.

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