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02-07-2017, 07:14 PM
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That was in the past. Anything can change.
With Les Alexander, probably not.

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UH, Milwaukee isn't at the Bradley Center any longer, they're over at the UWM facility, or what had been the predecessor arena to Bradley(MECCA) now known as UWM Panther and has a decade lease w/ a 5 year option, besides, it falls within the 50 mile geographic radius of the Blackhawks, so how feasible that is in a serious hurdle.
Milwaukee is 90 miles away from Chicago, outside the 50 mile zone around Chicago. besides the team affected by a new Milwaukee team isnt Chicago- Its Minnesota, in regards to TV. Wisconsin is covered by the Wild in terms of Tv rights. Milwaukee is realistically the only city in Wisconsin big enough to have an NHL team. Madison? 250k, too much competition with the Badgers. and Green Bay wont work for obvious reasons (a certain NFL team). the UWM Panther arena was home to the Admirals in the 70s and 80s prior to the move to the Bradley Center (which was built to get an NHL team- a bid that eventually went to Ottawa). Different era- no salary cap or revenue sharing, that Milwaukee team would have lost oodles of money and stunk on the ice. which the senators did their first few years in the league. we're talking 10-15 wins on the season bad. With revenue sharing, teams like Milwaukee can make a go of it.

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Milwaukee is 90 miles away from Chicago, outside the 50 mile zone around Chicago. besides the team affected by a new Milwaukee team isnt Chicago- Its Minnesota, in regards to TV. Wisconsin is covered by the Wild in terms of Tv rights. Milwaukee is realistically the only city in Wisconsin big enough to have an NHL team. Madison? 250k, too much competition with the Badgers. and Green Bay wont work for obvious reasons (a certain NFL team). the UWM Panther arena was home to the Admirals in the 70s and 80s prior to the move to the Bradley Center (which was built to get an NHL team- a bid that eventually went to Ottawa). Different era- no salary cap or revenue sharing, that Milwaukee team would have lost oodles of money and stunk on the ice. which the senators did their first few years in the league. we're talking 10-15 wins on the season bad. With revenue sharing, teams like Milwaukee can make a go of it.
but it's probably better for Milwaukee to stay status quo, as the Admirals now are an institution there, and the tie-in now w/ the Brewers helps both franchises.

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If the Coyotes relocate within the Pacific Northwest, Houston would be the perfect place for franchise 32. Good corporate base, good arena, alignment would be perfect, decent history of the game.
Then Quebec is your relief valve for if one of NYI or Carolina have to move. All you'd have to do alignment wise is move Boston from the Atlantic to the Metro and you're golden. So, in a perfect world: Coyotes, Islanders, Team 32 turns into Houston, Quebec, and a team in the Pacific Northwest.

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If the Coyotes relocate within the Pacific Northwest, Houston would be the perfect place for franchise 32. Good corporate base, good arena, alignment would be perfect, decent history of the game.
Then Quebec is your relief valve for if one of NYI or Carolina have to move. All you'd have to do alignment wise is move Boston from the Atlantic to the Metro and you're golden. So, in a perfect world: Coyotes, Islanders, Team 32 turns into Houston, Quebec, and a team in the Pacific Northwest.
sorry, Boston will never, ever, be separated from Montreal in any realignment scenario, much less, leaving the Atlantic Division.

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sorry, Boston will never, ever, be separated from Montreal in any realignment scenario, much less, leaving the Atlantic Division.
Okay then, maybe move Detroit into the Metro. Or get a little freaky, move both Florida teams to the Metro, and Columbus into the Atlantic.

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Okay then, maybe move Detroit into the Metro. Or get a little freaky, move both Florida teams to the Metro, and Columbus into the Atlantic.
try again, Headshot

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try again, Headshot
Why don't you just tell us the answer?

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try again, Headshot
Do you have any better idea for this hypothetical situation? Honestly, after putting a bit more thought into it I think the Florida to the Metro and Columbus to the Atlantic idea works the best for all parties involved. Might have to rename the Metro "Southeast" or something though.

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Why don't you just tell us the answer?
Houston has no ownership, nor an arena, it has been discussed many, many times, in this and similar threads, there is also no realignment chatter, this is why Vegas was slotted in to the Pacific.

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Do you have any better idea for this hypothetical situation? Honestly, after putting a bit more thought into it I think the Florida to the Metro and Columbus to the Atlantic idea works the best for all parties involved. Might have to rename the Metro "Southeast" or something though.
when did this topic become a realignment thread?

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when did this topic become a realignment thread?
Because any franchise movement involves considering the alignment. I like Houston as a spot for an NHL team. It's one of the few places in the southern US left that could succeed with one. It has a history with the game, corporate support, and *theoretically* an owner and arena with Alexander. Just to copy the off-topic sentiment I posted on the Coyotes thread:
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If I recall correctly, I thought Alexander was once interested in the NHL a long time ago. But the NHL stepped in and stopped a relocation of the Oilers and that turned him off. Is it crazy to think that maybe he could be convinced to try for an NHL franchise again if the price is right?
So, since the NHL is paranoid about maintaining alignment, and I believe Houston is one of the best western markets left for the NHL to tap that has an arena that is NHL ready, I brought up alignment. If the Coyotes went PNW, and an eastern team moved to Houston, then Quebec could get an expansion franchise and the conferences would be balanced.

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02-12-2017, 11:18 AM
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Because any franchise movement involves considering the alignment. I like Houston as a spot for an NHL team. It's one of the few places in the southern US left that could succeed with one. It has a history with the game, corporate support, and *theoretically* an owner and arena with Alexander. Just to copy the off-topic sentiment I posted on the Coyotes thread:


So, since the NHL is paranoid about maintaining alignment, and I believe Houston is one of the best western markets left for the NHL to tap that has an arena that is NHL ready, I brought up alignment. If the Coyotes went PNW, and an eastern team moved to Houston, then Quebec could get an expansion franchise and the conferences would be balanced.
no it's not

these are the alignments we will have until the conferences are aligned at 16-16, there's nothing for Houston unless you have an owner other than Alexander willing to be worthy of adding hockey to that market, I don't see the Astros nor the Texans owners getting involved in either scenario.

Quebec is only a fallback option for an Eastern relocation, an existing relocation, but there's no possibility that the Islanders are leaving New York, Carolina could stay as well.

you also are discounting the fact that Seattle may eventually be team 32 once the arena issues are resolved, and if that bears out, there's your balanced alignment, so no need to realign.

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Okay then, maybe move Detroit into the Metro. Or get a little freaky, move both Florida teams to the Metro, and Columbus into the Atlantic.
I know you're just offering options, but I know that Detroit won't agree to being moved yet again. The NHL doesn't need to play this game every 3-5 years. Let the Rangers or Flyers move over!

The NHL isn't paranoid about alignment either, just accepting that they are extremely concentrated in the NE section of the US, and that adding even more new teams there isn't the best option. All the Eastern Time Zone teams are in the ETZ now, which really does benefit their fan-building and maintenance efforts, including TV viewing during most away games (for younger fans especially).

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How come Cleveland is never mentioned as an NHL city again, there AHL team draws better than a couple current NHL markets!

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If the Coyotes relocate within the Pacific Northwest, Houston would be the perfect place for franchise 32. Good corporate base, good arena, alignment would be perfect, decent history of the game.
Then Quebec is your relief valve for if one of NYI or Carolina have to move. All you'd have to do alignment wise is move Boston from the Atlantic to the Metro and you're golden. So, in a perfect world: Coyotes, Islanders, Team 32 turns into Houston, Quebec, and a team in the Pacific Northwest.
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sorry, Boston will never, ever, be separated from Montreal in any realignment scenario, much less, leaving the Atlantic Division.
They certainly can be.


They can also just flip pittsburgh and columbus with the florida teams.

I agree with Houston.

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How come Cleveland is never mentioned as an NHL city again, there AHL team draws better than a couple current NHL markets!
Economy essentially. Already maxed out in supporting what theyve got. That could change. Huge deposits of natural gas in the Ohio Valley however the methodology of extraction called Fracking highly controversial.... The other concern Ive heard mentioned is proximity to Columbus. Thats about 140 miles away though and I think it would actually be a big plus, natural rival. Sort of like Hamilton would be with Toronto & to a lesser extent Buffalo.

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Economy essentially. Already maxed out in supporting what theyve got. That could change. Huge deposits of natural gas in the Ohio Valley however the methodology of extraction called Fracking highly controversial.... The other concern Ive heard mentioned is proximity to Columbus. Thats about 140 miles away though and I think it would actually be a big plus, natural rival. Sort of like Hamilton would be with Toronto & to a lesser extent Buffalo.
On the one hand, Columbus could put up a fuss that a Cleveland franchise would infringe on their fan radius, or however you call it. On the other, I lived in Ohio for a few years and I can say without reservation that the Blue Jackets franchise is (astoundingly) apparently not worried about their fanbase outside of the greater Columbus area. You almost never see any Blue Jackets merchandise in stores outside of Columbus, and good luck if you're trying to watch them on TV when there's a basketball game on. Any suggestions about making the franchise more inclusive (like changing the name to the Ohio Blue Jackets) is met with scorn by the local fans, who can be a little defensive about making Columbus stand out from Cleveland and Cincinnati.

So... I think a franchise in Cleveland *could* do well, and would fill a bit of a viewership gap for the reasons above, but I still think the existing franchise in Columbus would nix it, claiming it's too close to their back yard.

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How come Cleveland is never mentioned as an NHL city again, there AHL team draws better than a couple current NHL markets!
The Cleveland Barons of the AHL were once a candidate to be promoted as the Original Seventh team...

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The Cleveland Barons of the AHL were once a candidate to be promoted as the Original Seventh team...
Yeah, quite the interesting story that, twisted tale.... Readers Digest version.... one of the founders of the AHL in the late 30's, new state of the art building comparable to NHL arenas... very successful on & off the ice, even had their own Farm System for years well into the 60's... "invited" to join the NHL following WW2, the NHL having been destabilized somewhat, Cleveland doing extremely well so... however, ownership politely refused thinking if they bolted it would kill the AHL as they were the strongest team, anchoring the League.... by the early 50's however ownership had changed hands, new ownership applying for and conditionally being given entry, even announced by then NHL President Clarence Campbell to the press.... that however was derailed for spurious reasons by the Norris clan, who beyond hypocritically claimed "Mob Money" was behind the organization, entry revoked resulting in threats from Cleveland of anti-trust, breach of contract etc, even Challenging the NHL to a Stanley Cup Showdown vs their SC Champs.. Cleveland was that good, couldve easily been a Top 4 Club in the 6 team NHL...

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Yeah, quite the interesting story that, twisted tale.... Readers Digest version.... one of the founders of the AHL in the late 30's, new state of the art building comparable to NHL arenas... very successful on & off the ice, even had their own Farm System for years well into the 60's... "invited" to join the NHL following WW2, the NHL having been destabilized somewhat, Cleveland doing extremely well so... however, ownership politely refused thinking if they bolted it would kill the AHL as they were the strongest team, anchoring the League.... by the early 50's however ownership had changed hands, new ownership applying for and conditionally being given entry, even announced by then NHL President Clarence Campbell to the press.... that however was derailed for spurious reasons by the Norris clan, who beyond hypocritically claimed "Mob Money" was behind the organization, entry revoked resulting in threats from Cleveland of anti-trust, breach of contract etc, even Challenging the NHL to a Stanley Cup Showdown vs their SC Champs.. Cleveland was that good, couldve easily been a Top 4 Club in the 6 team NHL...
Hmm interesting.. also wasnt there a story about the Montreal Canadiens almost moved to Cleveland? If i recall right it was in the 1930s???

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Hmm interesting.. also wasnt there a story about the Montreal Canadiens almost moved to Cleveland? If i recall right it was in the 1930s???
Yes, in 1935.... http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...-cleveland-nhl ... and the the Toronto St.Pats which became the Leafs to Philadelphia in the late 20's before Conn Smythe bought them.

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Yeah, quite the interesting story that, twisted tale.... Readers Digest version.... one of the founders of the AHL in the late 30's, new state of the art building comparable to NHL arenas... very successful on & off the ice, even had their own Farm System for years well into the 60's... "invited" to join the NHL following WW2, the NHL having been destabilized somewhat, Cleveland doing extremely well so... however, ownership politely refused thinking if they bolted it would kill the AHL as they were the strongest team, anchoring the League.... by the early 50's however ownership had changed hands, new ownership applying for and conditionally being given entry, even announced by then NHL President Clarence Campbell to the press.... that however was derailed for spurious reasons by the Norris clan, who beyond hypocritically claimed "Mob Money" was behind the organization, entry revoked resulting in threats from Cleveland of anti-trust, breach of contract etc, even Challenging the NHL to a Stanley Cup Showdown vs their SC Champs.. Cleveland was that good, couldve easily been a Top 4 Club in the 6 team NHL...
OMG that's hysterical: The Norrises complaining about "mob money"......I just spit my coffee reading that

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OMG that's hysterical: The Norrises complaining about "mob money"......I just spit my coffee reading that
...yeah. Figured you might get a kick out of that one. The Cleveland bid in the 50's was being headed up by a guy named James Hendy, member of the HHOF & AHL HOF actually, inducted in the Builders Category, began as a sportswriter in Vancouver back in the late 20's early 30's. In 1933 he began collecting & collating stats on all players & teams, the first to do so, publishing James Hendys' Hockey Guide until 1951 (thereafter the NHL took over that job) when his career lead him to Cleveland where he became the Barons General Manager.... Long story short, but yes, James D. Norris who owned Chicago while still sitting on the Board of the Red Wings which his Sister & Brother owned & operated while also controlling MSG & the Rangers with the Bruins in his back pocket having lent them $$$ to stay afloat... Chairman of the IBC, fight fixing, managing boxers "against their will"... associate & friend to the likes of Mayer Lansky & Blinky Palermo... Jimmy 'D' there on the FBI's Organized Crime Watch List.... accuses happy-go-lucky sports reporter & stats guy Jim Hendy of being in reality a front man for the Cleveland Mob and that being the paragons of virtue that he, James D. Norris & the NHL were, simply cant allow it. Invitation to join, come play... rescinded.... Norris leaving his hand picked Stooge of a Yes Man, NHL President Clarence Campbell to clean up his mess.... Jimmy busy. Having drinks at the Ambassador East Hotel with Jersey Joe Walcott, Bobo Olson & Kid Gallivan, Jimmy The Monk Allegretti, Fifi Bucieri, Sam Giancanna.... or "Momo" to his friends like Jimmy Eat World there.... Ha?... you talkin to me?.... youse talkin to me?... I said.... youuuu talkin to me?... ha?... you tal..... no no, wait, wait, I'll get it right... youse talk.... you get the picture. DeNiro on steroids.... strapped to the undercarriage of a Jeep Wagoneer. Taxi Driver hitching an uninvited ride out to Cape Fear. Absolute insanity. That'd be your NHL then & littles changed really.


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...yeah. Figured you might get a kick out of that one. The Cleveland bid in the 50's was being headed up by a guy named James Hendy, member of the HHOF & AHL HOF actually, inducted in the Builders Category, began as a sportswriter in Vancouver back in the late 20's early 30's. In 1933 he began collecting & collating stats on all players & teams, the first to do so, publishing James Hendys' Hockey Guide until 1951 (thereafter the NHL took over that job) when his career lead him to Cleveland where he became the Barons General Manager.... Long story short, but yes, James D. Norris who owned Chicago while still sitting on the Board of the Red Wings which his Sister & Brother owned & operated while also controlling MSG & the Rangers with the Bruins in his back pocket having lent them $$$ to stay afloat... Chairman of the IBC, fight fixing, managing boxers "against their will"... associate & friend to the likes of Mayer Lansky & Blinky Palermo... Jimmy 'D' there on the FBI's Organized Crime Watch List.... accuses happy-go-lucky sports reporter & stats guy Jim Hendy of being in reality a front man for the Cleveland Mob and that being the paragons of virtue that he, James D. Norris & the NHL were, simply cant allow it. Invitation to join, come play... rescinded.... Norris leaving his hand picked Stooge of a Yes Man, NHL President Clarence Campbell to clean up his mess.... Jimmy busy. Having drinks at the Ambassador East Hotel with Jersey Joe Walcott, Bobo Olson & Kid Gallivan, Jimmy The Monk Allegretti, Fifi Bucieri, Sam Giancanna.... or "Momo" to his friends like Jimmy Eat World there.... Ha?... you talkin to me?.... youse talkin to me?... I said.... youuuu talkin to me?... ha?... you tal..... no no, wait, wait, I'll get it right... youse talk.... you get the picture. DeNiro on steroids.... strapped to the undercarriage of a Jeep Wagoneer. Taxi Driver hitching an uninvited ride out to Cape Fear. Absolute insanity. That'd be your NHL then & littles changed really.
Ha ha yeah Wally Carbo's frontman complaining about Mob Money.....just too damn funny and right out of the Twilight Zone LMAO

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