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03-01-2008, 12:32 PM
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his concussion and his sickness really put him back this year.....if he hadnt had those he wouldve most likely had more points this year than last

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Liking Cherepanov...

06-07: 47 GP - 18 G - 11 A - 29 P - +14 - 45 PIM
07-08: 46 GP - 15 G - 13 A - 28 P - + 7 - 12 PIM

I remember over the summer when we drafted him people were saying his rookie season could've just been a fluke. Seems they were wrong.

Now lets see if he can follow this with a strong playoffs.
Nice, back to back 15 goal seasons!

While I still don't know much about the RSL or why it's so hard to score, I will state that Ovechkin never scored more than 13 goals in a season while playing in the RSL

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2001-02 Moscow Dynamo Russia 21 2 2 4 4
2002-03 Moscow Dynamo Russia 40 8 7 15 28 5 0 0 0 2
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Ilya did have 19 goals in his 2nd year, fwiw. I think Alexei has a lot of upside, but i dont think he should be mentioned in the same breath as those guys, just because i dont see the explosiveness those guys have, at least not in the half dozen games of his that i have seen.

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Nice, back to back 15 goal seasons!

While I still don't know much about the RSL or why it's so hard to score, I will state that Ovechkin never scored more than 13 goals in a season while playing in the RSL

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=63735
Cuz RSL is like slowest league in the world. Talent pool is second to only NHL but game tempo . You think these russians play in all attack no defense hockey but in reality even 2-1 type game in NHL more open than 6-5 game in RSL. Boring boring hockey. RSL is last bastion of 90's hockey.

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Ilya did have 19 goals in his 2nd year, fwiw. I think Alexei has a lot of upside, but i dont think he should be mentioned in the same breath as those guys, just because i dont see the explosiveness those guys have, at least not in the half dozen games of his that i have seen.
Ilya scored 19 in Russian equivalent of AHL - Vyshaya League, not in RSL.

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Ilya did have 19 goals in his 2nd year, fwiw. I think Alexei has a lot of upside, but i dont think he should be mentioned in the same breath as those guys, just because i dont see the explosiveness those guys have, at least not in the half dozen games of his that i have seen.
Even a level below those 2 is pretty special. I see it as Ovechkin on his own level, then Kovalchuk, then other high end scorers below. Overall, it's good to see Chere finish strong and put up excellent numbers once again.

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Ilya scored 19 in Russian equivalent of AHL - Vyshaya League, not in RSL.
ahh, i didnt know that.

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ahh, i didnt know that.
This is why i was so pissed after Sutter hit. I want to see Cherepanov on smaller surface in a game with at least relatively close to NHL intensity. RSL=anti-nhl, everything faster in NHL even PP plays. There is no literally fast transition from D to O in RSL. Gomez can just grab the puck and skate across the whole rink simple using his wheels, i want to see him doing this thing in RSL with annoying neutral zone pressing. You know how many coast-to-coast goals i seen in last 30 RSL games? 0, and it's not because RSL full of Lidstrom's.

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Cherepanov garbage goal in last game of RSL regular season.

http://video.hawk.ru/080301_ao_lada_2_0.wmv

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OHL scoring record for a D is 155 points (Bryan Fogarty in 1988-89), so Bobby better pick up the pace in his last few games... he needs 92 more points!

Seriously though, great season by Sangs. Can't wait to see him make the jump to the pro ranks next season.
Damn that's one sad story...
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Cherepanov garbage goal in last game of RSL regular season.

http://video.hawk.ru/080301_ao_lada_2_0.wmv
I wouldn't describe that as a garbage goal.

He roofed it over the goaltender.

How many times have we seen guys on the Rangers stuff the puck into the goaltender's pads on that play?

Cherepanov has awesome skill.

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Cherepanov looks creative sometimes when he has the puck, like he knows where it would do the most damage. I think he'll be good in the assists department in the NHL and not just a one dimensional fisherman of the puck.

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Darin Olver is tearing up the 2 bundesliga!

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so i'm watching cbc and they are saying filitov is going to drop to low first round or early second round because of the new russian league and people dont know if he will come over.....would the rangers use their first on him?

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so i'm watching cbc and they are saying filitov is going to drop to low first round or early second round because of the new russian league and people dont know if he will come over.....would the rangers use their first on him?
i would

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i think i would too.....nut i would want to make sure he would be ok to come over to the nhl to play hockey

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Cherepanov looks creative sometimes when he has the puck, like he knows where it would do the most damage. I think he'll be good in the assists department in the NHL and not just a one dimensional fisherman of the puck.
Agreed. He's got 11 and 13 A in his two seasons, not terribly lower then his goal totals. It seems the RSL is somewhat stingy about assists too so to be having a decent number is telling IMO. Plus I remember hearing about some games where he could've had multiple assists had his teammates not sucked.

Btw, does he looks like he's got better endurance? I remember hearing earlier he could barely take a shift. Maybe that partly why his numbers have gone up?

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Cherepanov garbage goal in last game of RSL regular season.

http://video.hawk.ru/080301_ao_lada_2_0.wmv
these videos from this site, do they have all the cherepanovs goals from say last year too

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Damn that's one sad story...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Fogarty
enlarged heart=steroids

mental problems=steroids

mental problems& steriods=disaster

steroids=NHL's fault

It stinks liability......

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While I still don't know much about the RSL or why it's so hard to score, I will state that Ovechkin never scored more than 13 goals in a season while playing in the RSL
First of all there is the assist aspect. Like everyone remember Gomez goal against Atlanta. A Atlanta player shot a slap shot on Shanny, the puck bounced to Gomez who scored. Fedor Tyutin got a assist on that goal. In europe thats probably zero assist on that play.

In Europe you don't get 2 assist after a rebound nor a give and go. If a defending player just touches the puck there is often not a single assist given out. The reffs give out the assists they see. Its not looked at on tv afterwards. So if the reffs didn't see any pass leading to a goal -- there are no assists given out. If they see a pass, but didn't see who it was, they often asks the players though. So Chere probably would have had like 10 more assists if the NA system was used. 10 assists is a number I pulled out of thin air, could be 3 or 15 just as well. Really hard to speculate on.

Second, the Russian league is a really tough place to have individual success in. I do think the RSL is the best in Europe -- but by a pretty small margin. But its without any doubt the hardest place to have success in as a player. There is allot of money in the RSL, and there have been several several of the best career AHLers for example who have had big contracts in Russia but who have been sacked after about a month for not producing at all. The same applys to several Swedes and finns, and russians too.

First of all, its a very individual league. There is allot of rushing the puck type of offense. There is room for that. There is allot of 1 on 1's. A defense got his winger and very little support. A winger got 1 D that he goes up against. The results are often pretty interesting though; its not the most individually skilled players who got the most success. Its often thoose who can break away from the individual game, and use their linemates, who got success. In the NHL/AHL their is allot more "caos" on the ice. Its allot easier to get real use of your speed and raw skills in NA. That natrually fits the older vets allot more then it fits the young and hungry players. Even in the NHL, AO scores very very few goals after beating a D 1 on 1 clean. Most of his goals comes after there is a flurry and AO just steps into the puck and drives it home. In Russia there are less flurrys.

Its basically like this in all of europe. Especially in the RSL and SEL. There are very few 19-20 y/o's who put up solid numbers. There are allot more old broken down vets who scores allot more then in NA.

Outside the ice conditions are very testing too. You basically travel from western europe to the chinese border. I recon that all teams don't got luxjets either. Players are forced to sleep at team complexes (often old military buildings) the day before every game. They see their family less then 10 days a month.

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these videos from this site, do they have all the cherepanovs goals from say last year too
No they just trow sometimes goals and press-confs from Avangard home wins.

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these videos from this site, do they have all the cherepanovs goals from say last year too
Like Avy said, not all, but some more. Between the Omsk web site and Sportbox.ru most of them are covered. These are the ones I have posted at various points along the way. With some searching more can probably be found (in fact, I know there are more WJC videos out there) but it's a good enough start:

03/01/2008 Avangard vs. Lada 4:2
http://video.hawk.ru/080301_ao_lada_2_0.wmv

02/28/2008 Traktor vs. Avangard 2:6
http://video.hawk.ru/080228_traktor_ao_0_3.wmv (goal)
http://video.hawk.ru/080228_traktor_ao_0_4.wmv (goal)

02/21/2008 Avangard - Metallurg (NK) 8:2
http://video.hawk.ru/080221_ao_mnk_5_0.wmv (goal)

02/16/2008 Vityaz - Avangard 1:2
http://video.hawk.ru/080216_vityz_ao_0_2.wmv (primary assist)

02/02/2008 Avangard - SKA 4:1
http://video.hawk.ru/080202_ao_ska_3_0.wmv (goal)

01/23/2008 Avangard - AK Bars 4:6
http://video.hawk.ru/080123_ao_bars_1_1.wmv (goal)

01/20/2008 Dynamo - Avangard 3:4
http://video.hawk.ru/080120_dinamo_ao_0_1.wmv (primary assist)

01/18/2008 Khimik - Avangard 3:4
http://video.hawk.ru/080118_himik_ao_3_4.wmv (goal)

01/08/2008 Avangard - HK MVD 3:5
http://video.hawk.ru/080108_ao_mvd_2_1.wmv (goal - deflection)

12/29/2007 WJC: Russia vs. USA
http://www.russian-hockey.ru/video/mchm/Cherepanov.avi
Anisimov (#12) carries the puck in, feeds Filatov (#21) who gets the initial shot, Cherepanov (#7) puts home the rebound.

11/16/2007 SKA St. Petersburg vs. Avangard
http://video.sportbox.ru//VideoStora...hempionat_ro-2
Cherepanov is #7 in white and scores the third goal of the game on a 2-on-1. SKA, featuring our old friend Darius Kasparitis, win 4-3.

11/14/2007 Khimik vs. Avangard
http://video.sportbox.ru//VideoStora...hempionat_ro-3
Cherepanov (#7 in white) with the assist on the first goal on a pass out in front from the corner.

10/26/2007 Lokomotiv v. Avangard
http://video.sportbox.ru//VideoStora...sport_hokkej_a
Cherepanov is #7 in white. He scores the second goal from just inside the blue line in a 4-2 win.

10/11/2007 AK Bars v. Avangard
http://video.sportbox.ru/VideoStorag..._superliga_ava
Cherepanov is #7 in white. He picks up the assist on the 2nd goal and scores the final goal of the 4-2 win from an extremely sharp angle.

10/02/2007 Avangard v. Lada
http://video.sportbox.ru//VideoStora...j_superliga_av
Cherepanov is #7 in white. He scored the 3rd goal on a nice move around the defenseman in a 4-1 win.

09/20/2007 Avangard v. Vityaz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmfTor2FXuw

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Like Avy said, not all, but some more. Between the Omsk web site and Sportbox.ru most of them are covered. These are the ones I have posted at various points along the way. With some searching more can probably be found (in fact, I know there are more WJC videos out there) but it's a good enough start:

03/01/2008 Avangard vs. Lada 4:2
http://video.hawk.ru/080301_ao_lada_2_0.wmv

02/28/2008 Traktor vs. Avangard 2:6
http://video.hawk.ru/080228_traktor_ao_0_3.wmv (goal)
http://video.hawk.ru/080228_traktor_ao_0_4.wmv (goal)

02/21/2008 Avangard - Metallurg (NK) 8:2
http://video.hawk.ru/080221_ao_mnk_5_0.wmv (goal)

02/16/2008 Vityaz - Avangard 1:2
http://video.hawk.ru/080216_vityz_ao_0_2.wmv (primary assist)

02/02/2008 Avangard - SKA 4:1
http://video.hawk.ru/080202_ao_ska_3_0.wmv (goal)

01/23/2008 Avangard - AK Bars 4:6
http://video.hawk.ru/080123_ao_bars_1_1.wmv (goal)

01/20/2008 Dynamo - Avangard 3:4
http://video.hawk.ru/080120_dinamo_ao_0_1.wmv (primary assist)

01/18/2008 Khimik - Avangard 3:4
http://video.hawk.ru/080118_himik_ao_3_4.wmv (goal)

01/08/2008 Avangard - HK MVD 3:5
http://video.hawk.ru/080108_ao_mvd_2_1.wmv (goal - deflection)

12/29/2007 WJC: Russia vs. USA
http://www.russian-hockey.ru/video/mchm/Cherepanov.avi
Anisimov (#12) carries the puck in, feeds Filatov (#21) who gets the initial shot, Cherepanov (#7) puts home the rebound.

11/16/2007 SKA St. Petersburg vs. Avangard
http://video.sportbox.ru//VideoStora...hempionat_ro-2
Cherepanov is #7 in white and scores the third goal of the game on a 2-on-1. SKA, featuring our old friend Darius Kasparitis, win 4-3.

11/14/2007 Khimik vs. Avangard
http://video.sportbox.ru//VideoStora...hempionat_ro-3
Cherepanov (#7 in white) with the assist on the first goal on a pass out in front from the corner.

10/26/2007 Lokomotiv v. Avangard
http://video.sportbox.ru//VideoStora...sport_hokkej_a
Cherepanov is #7 in white. He scores the second goal from just inside the blue line in a 4-2 win.

10/11/2007 AK Bars v. Avangard
http://video.sportbox.ru/VideoStorag..._superliga_ava
Cherepanov is #7 in white. He picks up the assist on the 2nd goal and scores the final goal of the 4-2 win from an extremely sharp angle.

10/02/2007 Avangard v. Lada
http://video.sportbox.ru//VideoStora...j_superliga_av
Cherepanov is #7 in white. He scored the 3rd goal on a nice move around the defenseman in a 4-1 win.

09/20/2007 Avangard v. Vityaz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmfTor2FXuw
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