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03-15-2017, 01:11 PM
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And to think some Preds fans thought Calgary had to add to Backlund to get Smith...
Who, did? \

I thought your trade was Smith, Jarnkrok and a 1st for Backlund. Which I'd agree is an overpayment.

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03-15-2017, 01:20 PM
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Who, did? \

I thought your trade was Smith, Jarnkrok and a 1st for Backlund. Which I'd agree is an overpayment.
A one dimensional winger who is on pace for 20ish points, a good defensive center who can play RW that is on pace for 32 points, and a mid round 1st in a weak draft for an elite defensive forward who is better offensively than every piece? Yeah no that is absolutely not even close to an overpayment.

I kinda overexaggerated there. A few weeks ago in my proposal no one actually did, but the only piece they were willing to offer was Smith from what I knew because of expansion draft for Backlund, and they also wanted other pieces from the Flames (Probably not just for Smith alone, but you get my point).

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03-15-2017, 01:33 PM
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Meh, maybe this is Backlund's breakout year, or maybe it's an anomaly and he's really just a 20 goal, ~45 point 2-way center. Either way, I'm not at all interested in him given what it would cost to acquire him, plus he's a UFA after next year. This thread is about the expansion draft anyway, and acquiring any forward before the expansion draft isn't an option unless a D is traded for them, so this talk belongs elsewhere.

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Just curious for both handedness balance, and more or less Jarnkrok is gone to expansion, what realistically from the Flames do you want for Jarnkrok? I'd like to try Jarnkrok as our top line RW with Gaudreau and Monahan.
You're going to have to try another team's board for their Swedes, it's pretty clear nobody here is interested in giving you ours.

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You're going to have to try another team's board for their Swedes, it's pretty clear nobody here is interested in giving you ours.
Swedish House Mafia, ya'll

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03-16-2017, 04:31 PM
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I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that one of these four forwards will be selected by Vegas in the Preds portion of the draft:
AUSTIN WATSON, COLTON SISSONS, PONTUS ABERG or FREDDIE GAUDREAU.

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03-16-2017, 04:37 PM
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What did the preds have to trade to make that happen?

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03-16-2017, 04:44 PM
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I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that one of these four forwards will be selected by Vegas in the Preds portion of the draft:
AUSTIN WATSON, COLTON SISSONS, PONTUS ABERG or FREDDIE GAUDREAU.
Aberg and Freddie show to be on EL contracts according to CApFriendly so I was under the impression they are inelgible.

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03-16-2017, 04:58 PM
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Isn't Watson UFA?

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03-16-2017, 05:02 PM
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Isn't Watson UFA?
No, RFA

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03-16-2017, 05:12 PM
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I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that one of these four forwards will be selected by Vegas in the Preds portion of the draft:
AUSTIN WATSON, COLTON SISSONS, PONTUS ABERG or FREDDIE GAUDREAU.
The only way any of those guys are in Vegas is if we trade them to select Smith instead of Wilson/Jarnkrok, IMO.

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03-16-2017, 07:15 PM
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Aberg and Freddie show to be on EL contracts according to CApFriendly so I was under the impression they are inelgible.
Freddie is exempt, Aberg is not.

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03-22-2017, 01:23 PM
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Which Pred will Vegas Choose??

We will almost definitely protect 4D and 4F + 1 Goalie. That means our Top 4 D (PK, Josi, Ellis, Eck), forwards Forsberg, Neal, Arvy, and Joey, and Peks.

So the candidates are:
Smith ($4.25mm) signed for 3 more years after this year
Willie ($3.94mm) signed for 2 more years
Callie (($2.00mm) signed for 5 more years

Stats:
Smith 9G 11A 20Pts -2
Willie 12G 17A 29Pts +3
Callie 14G 14A 28Pts -4

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Willie is the strongest on paper. High draft pick, power forward, playoff success, perennial upside, decent contract. Downside is staying healthy, inconsistency, and least contract remaining of the group.

Callie comes in a strong 2nd. Versatility is his biggest attribute. Smartest hockey player of the 3. Would fill many roles on an expansion team. Outstanding contract with longest contract life.

Smith has the best goal scoring resume of the 3, until this year. Fastest of the bunch. Has upside. Contract is on the high end for this year's production, but not for his history.

The Preds would prefer losing Smith. That probably won't happen. It'll be one of the others. Losing Callie would hurt the most considering everything he does and 5 more years of it at $2mm per year.

Another alternative is to leave Neal unprotected. He has a No Trade Clause in his contract, as opposed to a No Movement Clause. You don't have to protect NTC guys so Preds do have the option to leave him unprotected. He's got a relatively cheap contract ($5mm) but only one year left. If I were Poile, I'd try to sign Neal to more years before the expansion draft. If I couldn't, I'd leave him unprotected and protect Callie. If you can't sign him now, you won't sign him as a UFA the following year (learn from Suter). If Neal signs for more years, then be prepared to lose Callie or Willie.

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03-22-2017, 02:07 PM
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I've had the same thoughts on Neal.

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No way in hell we leave a guy who's one of the 6 guys in the league to score 20+ goals in the last 9 seasons exposed instead of 20-30p tweener.

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No way in hell we leave a guy who's one of the 6 guys in the league to score 20+ goals in the last 9 seasons exposed instead of 20-30p tweener.
Then he walks next year and we are out 2 guys.

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No way in hell we leave a guy who's one of the 6 guys in the league to score 20+ goals in the last 9 seasons exposed instead of 20-30p tweener.
Depends on his willingness to return here beyond next season.

Just for fun though.


Since Jan 1.

Neal has 7 goals 11 assist

Jarnkrok has 9 goals 11 assist.

Jarnkrok is our top pker, Jarnkrok is a good defensive center.

Now is he as good offensively as Neal? No, it's not close but there's other valuable things hockey players can do, and most of those things, Jarnkrok is better at

Is one more year of Neal worth 5 years of Jarnkrok? I don't know....

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We can always expose Jarny and offer picks/prospects to get them to take Smith.

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Why he'd walk? We're good team with a bright future. He's not going to a better team.

E: if the team has some info of him not signing then of course expose him. But they must have a pretty good picture of his situation (don't use Suter as a counter-argument)

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We can always expose Jarny and offer picks/prospects to get them to take Smith.
Most likely scenario.

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Why he'd walk? We're good team with a bright future. He's not going to a better team.
If he can get paid more elsewhere, I could see him walking. If he refuses to work on an extension this summer, I can see him walking unless this team wins it all this year or next.

Another thing to note, I don't think he can actually sign an extension before July 1, but that doesn't stop them from working on an extension and agreeing to it, then signing on July 1.

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E: if the team has some info of him not signing then of course expose him. But they must have a pretty good picture of his situation (don't use Suter as a counter-argument)
You also have to evaluate whether 1 year of Neal is better than 5 more of Jarnkrok.

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Why he'd walk?
Yeah, right. Has no reasons to walk, none at all. Will re-sign with 100% certainty.

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My $ says Preds make a deal where a prospect is sent to pick Smith.

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Yeah, right. Has no reasons to walk, none at all. Will re-sign with 100% certainty.
Why did Sumter walk? Why did Hutton walk (they wanted to re-sign him)? Why do any free agents walk?

Answer: Location, Money, internal conflicts with the team/management, or a better chance to win. The reason can be any of these or any combination of them. If Nashville gets bounced in round 1 this year and next, Neal may think he has a better chance elsewhere. It doesn't matter who we have on the roster if we aren't getting results.

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