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02-22-2017, 11:11 PM
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“We won’t make it before the trade deadline. The documentation is unbelievable. I have documentation with the league on a franchise agreement. I have documentation on a loan we are taking out with CitiBank. I’ve got my personal stuff, which all has to get in and get approved. If you saw the stack of documents you’d say it’s not a pretty picture,” Foley said on-air
Gonna guess most of it is paper, not paperless/electronic too.

How many trees will have died for this?

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Generally the NHL does not permit trades which involve future movement of players.
C & P from an old "can a team loan a player to another NHL team" thread:

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It is illegal to loan a player to another NHL team or make any player transaction dictating any future transactions concerning that player.

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9.4 A Member Club shall not loan a player to another Member Club. All transfers between Member Clubs (including transfers resulting from draft claims or purchase persuant to Section 16A or the Expansion Draft Regulations or as an equalization payment for a free agent resulting from negotiation or arbitration under Section 9A) shall be absolute and shall not contain any provision:
(a) for the return or other disposition of the rights to the services of that player at any future time; or

(b) restricting in any way the transferability of that player at any future time.

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C & P from an old "can a team loan a player to another NHL team" thread:
The hypothetical proposal in this case wouldn't perfectly fall under that rule as it's not trading and later returning the same player. Rather it's a transfer of a different player at a future time after the trade date. MLB for example allows conditions like that in trades, at least where the future undetermined player could be one of multiple prospects.

Hence my choice of the word "generally". I'm confident the NHL wouldn't allow a trade like that, but I haven't seen explicit language barring it.

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The hypothetical proposal in this case wouldn't perfectly fall under that rule as it's not trading and later returning the same player. Rather it's a transfer of a different player at a future time after the trade date. MLB for example allows conditions like that in trades, at least where the future undetermined player could be one of multiple prospects.

Hence my choice of the word "generally". I'm confident the NHL wouldn't allow a trade like that, but I haven't seen explicit language barring it.
The wording "other disposition of the rights to the services of that player at any future time" would appear to prevent teams from signing a binding agreement on transfer of an identified player on a later date so the matter is settled.

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FWIW, it's real close to making the payment and GMGM is expected to participate in March GM meeting.

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FWIW, it's real close to making the payment and GMGM is expected to participate in March GM meeting.
I know it's not happening. But could you imagine the mess if the Vegas Group keeps delaying and delaying the payment to the NHL even longer then they currently are, and it turns out they actually don't have enough money and this is another ''John Spano tries to buy the Islanders'' situation?

Hahahaha!

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The wording "other disposition of the rights to the services of that player at any future time" would appear to prevent teams from signing a binding agreement on transfer of an identified player on a later date so the matter is settled.
I wouldn't read it that way due to the use of the term "that player". Implying it's referencing the opening section that "A member club shall not loan a player" since that's the only preceding place where player is mentioned. If instead of "that player" the sentence had said "a player" then I'd agree it likely covers futures trades.

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Initially, the plan was to give Las Vegas 48 hours with the protected list before the expansion draft. That is being increased to 72. At the GM meetings, the Golden Knights’ George McPhee let everyone know that once the lists are handed to him, it’s an auction for any unprotected player another team might want. This has outstanding potential.
Sounds like teams will have to protect their future not only from Vegas, but other teams with their exposed players.

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Sounds like teams will have to protect their future not only from Vegas, but other teams with their exposed players.
So if Team A wants a player off team B's available list McPhee will grab him and trade him to Team A?

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When this gets started it's going to be wonderfully chaotic.


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So if Team A wants a player off team B's available list McPhee will grab him and trade him to Team A?

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When this gets started it's going to be wonderfully chaotic.
Yes.

YMMV.

Future consideration trade.


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http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/05/03/...pansion-draft/

NHL, NHLPA agree on list of 12 veteran players exempt from draft (due to missing significant time from injury)

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On an additional note, Kovalchuk cannot sign with NJ until July 1st. Only players who fit into one of three exception categories are allowed to sign deal that don't include the current league year.

a) Contract Extensions
b) Unsigned Draft Picks
c) Draft-Related UFA's. Essentially players who were not drafted and never played in the NHL, e.g. Shipachyov.

Kovalchuk doesn't fit into any of those categories, so he has to wait till July 1st.

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The recent report by LeBrun that VGK can sign RFA's without having to tender an offer sheet is pretty interesting.

I had thought that an unprotected RFA could just be selected by Vegas, who would then be able to tender a QO and match any offer sheet.. but now it seems like only players with valid contracts can be selected. This likely hurts Vegas more than it helps as teams can talk to their RFAs during the negotiation window as well. I would presume if they were about to lose an RFA to Vegas, they would likely offer that RFA a similar deal to stay. It basically affords them additional protection slots by leaving RFAs who are not looking to leave unprotected.

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Correct. During their "window" of the expansion draft, they can negotiate and sign any RFA (or UFA) as if they guy were on their team. Now an RFA may balk at signing with VGK, but many might have more opportunities than with their current team.

Offer sheets don't start until 7/1.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-up...165130036.html

Updated timeline.

Including 6/12 (non SCF participants) for deadline to get players to waive NMC to be exposed.

(Hard to cut/paste from phone)

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Expansion NMC Question

If a player waives his NMC for the expansion draft, is it considered waived for the remainder of his contract even if he's not taken?

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If a player waives his NMC for the expansion draft, is it considered waived for the remainder of his contract even if he's not taken?
No. Anytime a player waives their NMC/NTC it is a one-time event for the specific action. For example team asks player to waive their NMC for the expansion draft, player agrees. Team cannot now trade the player--they would have to ask the player separately to waive to be traded. Likewise if that player were claimed in the expansion draft then their NMC remains in full effect in Vegas.

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Correct. During their "window" of the expansion draft, they can negotiate and sign any RFA (or UFA) as if they guy were on their team. Now an RFA may balk at signing with VGK, but many might have more opportunities than with their current team.

Offer sheets don't start until 7/1.
When can Vegas trade the players they have obtained this way? Should we expect third party GMs trying "Vegas-sheeting" interesting FAs by asking Vegas to sign one up for future trade to the third party team?

Is McPhee allowed to tell a prospective FA in the negotiations that there is a trade in the works to that third party team in trying to goard him to sign, or would that be considered tampering on the third party team GM's part?

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When can Vegas trade the players they have obtained this way? Should we expect third party GMs trying "Vegas-sheeting" interesting FAs by asking Vegas to sign one up for future trade to the third party team?

Is McPhee allowed to tell a prospective FA in the negotiations that there is a trade in the works to that third party team in trying to goard him to sign, or would that be considered tampering on the third party team GM's part?
They can trade those players on the 21st.

The NHL hasn't clarified that rule, however I would guess it would be considered tampering as the 3rd teams are not allowed to communicate with pending FA's yet. Using another party as a go-between could still be considered tampering.

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