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03-07-2008, 09:06 AM
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http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/app?form...it_0=Get+Stats

I think that 217-219 figures includes shootout goals. Not that it matters, as it only makes Montreal's lead bigger.

Tuggy: if you discount empty-net goals, Montreal has as many "real" goals as Ottawa, in one fewer game.
No, it doesn't include shootout goals. If you tally the game-by-game counts which don't include SO goals, it ends up the same, if I remember well.

Anyway, if we look at the Goals-Per-Game average, Montreal IS first in the league. Ottawa is shown with the same average, but anyone good in maths knows that 217 in 68 is better than 219 in 69 :

http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/app?fetc...ewName=summary

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Clearly according to many here, our #1 need is for an "impact offensive forward" since the ruffians we have can't make any kind of impact in this league on their own.




BTW, we are something like 17th on defence. I submit that our real need is for a true, IMPACT defensive centreman - a guy whose IMPACT will be to reduce our goals against by 20 or more per year, and at the same time provide no less offence than Lapierre, Smolinski or Begin.

Does anyone think such an animal exists?

Let's get Phillipe Boucher this summer

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03-07-2008, 09:12 AM
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I know a guy... his name is Chris Higgins... I think he can make the job.
Oh, that was your point. Yeah, I just kind of supposed that he's on the 2nd line with Koivu and S.Kosti/Ryder/UFA... But yeah, he could make a good checking line with Chipchura and somebody.

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03-07-2008, 09:18 AM
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This may be brief, but after the Ottawa shutout, Montreal becomes first in goals-for-per-game.

MTL: 213 goals in 68 games = 3.132
OTT: 216 goals in 69 games = 3.130

Ladies and gentlemen, it is March, and your Montreal Canadiens are the highest-scoring team in the league.

The supposedly defensively-minded, Carbonneau-coached, four fourth-lines, popgun-offense Canadiens score more goals per game than anyone in the NHL, including Ottawa and Detroit.

Who would have thought?
Whoa

I think nobody would have bet on that at the beginning of the season...

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03-07-2008, 09:24 AM
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This may be brief, but after the Ottawa shutout, Montreal becomes first in goals-for-per-game.

MTL: 213 goals in 68 games = 3.132
OTT: 216 goals in 69 games = 3.130

Ladies and gentlemen, it is March, and your Montreal Canadiens are the highest-scoring team in the league.

The supposedly defensively-minded, Carbonneau-coached, four fourth-lines, popgun-offense Canadiens score more goals per game than anyone in the NHL, including Ottawa and Detroit.

Who would have thought?
You mean the Highest Average Scoring team right???? With a name like mathman, you've slipped up on this one.... oh well.

Great to see us having that much success in the offensive department. WOuld still be more impressed if we'd improve our penatly killing... then i'd be SUPPPPEEEEERRRRR happy...

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03-07-2008, 09:25 AM
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Let's get Phillipe Boucher this summer
What!!???

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03-07-2008, 09:30 AM
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What!!???

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Well..... if we get rid of Dandy and Bouillon, it would make sense.... he'd be 4th Dman.... OByrne, rightside 3rd pairing.

We ARE missing a righthanded Dman, whether for the 2nd or 3rd pairing, depending on where you want to put O'Byrne.

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Well..... if we get rid of Dandy and Bouillon, it would make sense.... he'd be 4th Dman.... OByrne, rightside 3rd pairing.

We ARE missing a righthanded Dman, whether for the 2nd or 3rd pairing, depending on where you want to put O'Byrne.

Russel
He also has a hell of a slapshot.... he could replace Streit if we can't resign him... or be a point man on the 2nd unit PP if we do sign streit (my hope)

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03-07-2008, 09:39 AM
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Clearly according to many here, our #1 need is for an "impact offensive forward" since the ruffians we have can't make any kind of impact in this league on their own.
That's a bit of an oversimplification. Offense flows into defense and vice-versa. An impact offensive forward, especially at even strength, means: Montreal has the puck more -> opponent has the puck less -> fewer goals against. Besides a guy like Hossa is a very competent defensive forward as well.

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Does anyone think such an animal exists?
They're a lot easier to find than impact scorers. Chipchura may be that guy soon enough.

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Gainey
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Kovalev

But until we've scored the most goals, I don't consider us the highest scoring

you forgot..

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03-07-2008, 09:53 AM
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we have 80 PP goals so how does 217-80= 122?
Because there's a lot of figures that you can get everywhere and don't quite mean the same thing.

Montreal has 213 real goals scored. 4 shootout wins lead to the 217 figure that is seen in the standings, but those aren't "real" goals.

Montreal has 80 power play goals, so they have 133 non-PP goals. And they have seven shorties for a grand total of 126 goals.

The NHL goals-for stats page lists empty netters separately, of which Montreal has five. This results in a total of 122 even-strength goals (including 117 5-on-5, 4 at 4-on-4, and one at 3-on-3), 79 power play goals (69 5-on-4, 8 5-on-3, 2 4-on-3), and 6 shorties, leading to a total of 207 non-empty-net, normal-play goals. They also have one penalty shot goal (hello, Sergei!). 207 basic goals + 5 empty-netters + 1 penalty shot goal = 213 goals + 4 shootout wins = 217.

For the curious, this means that montreal has 1 short-handed empty-netter and 4 even-strength empty-netters. None on the power play -- but their one penalty shot goal was a PPG.

By the by, Montreal's PP is truly the best in the league -- most goals, best conversion percentage... and fewest shorthanded goals against.

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You overreact dude, stop using smilies!

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You overreact dude, stop using smilies!

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hey hey nothing wrong to be happy for our team

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He also has a hell of a slapshot.... he could replace Streit if we can't resign him... or be a point man on the 2nd unit PP if we do sign streit (my hope)
It would make a great D....

Markov(6'0)-Komisarek(6'4)
Hamrlik(6'2)-Boucher(6'3)
Gorges(6'1)-O'Byrne(6'5)
Valentenko(6'2)

Opposing players would be heffin scared to enter on the right side.

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We also have the least regulation time losses in the entire EC.

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I still believe Guy Lafleur stands by his statement that the habs problem is they have 4-4th lines, he's just admended it to 'the habs problem is they have 4-4th lines....that can score!!!'

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Gainey
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But until we've scored the most goals, I don't consider us the highest scoring
Fire Carbo - he doesn't communicate well with his players.

I heard that often last December.

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Our team is weird.

Management=Selke, faceoffs, penalty killers,

Team=Offense, suck at faceoffs, powerplay masters who have a crappy PK.

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That's a bit of an oversimplification. Offense flows into defense and vice-versa. An impact offensive forward, especially at even strength, means: Montreal has the puck more -> opponent has the puck less -> fewer goals against. Besides a guy like Hossa is a very competent defensive forward as well.



They're a lot easier to find than impact scorers. Chipchura may be that guy soon enough.
Also, a guy like Kovalev could drop off any time, he is already 35 so you need guys to take 1st line duty once Kovy and Koivu are no longer able to carry the load.

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That's kind of like saying the Devils would suck without Martin Brodeur. While true, it's not particularly meaningful.
And so it is when you remove empty net goals from Ottawa. Balance it both ways, not just in your favour.

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Our team is weird.

Management=Selke, faceoffs, penalty killers,

Team=Offense, suck at faceoffs, powerplay masters who have a crappy PK.
That's it, you are right! I'm seriously disappointed...
Carbo
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03-07-2008, 10:54 AM
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And so it is when you remove empty net goals from Ottawa. Balance it both ways, not just in your favour.
Forgive me for thinking that there's a rather sizable difference between discounting empty-net goals and discounting power play goals when comparing two teams' total scoring. Ottawa's mastery of empty-net goal-scoring is hardly a major component of their offense.

Not that it matters much -- MTL's goals-per-games is still better than Ottawa's when including empty-netters.

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03-07-2008, 11:20 AM
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It would make a great D....

Markov(6'0)-Komisarek(6'4)
Hamrlik(6'2)-Boucher(6'3)
Gorges(6'1)-O'Byrne(6'5)
Valentenko(6'2)

Opposing players would be heffin scared to enter on the right side.
Please, boucher is like a cone out there so are Komi and O'Byrne if they're not carefull... Small, skill and fast forwards would pass them easily... haven't you learn nothing from last year Philly's defense?

I prefer smaller stronger d-men like Bouillon or meaner like Emelin.... to complement the bigger d-men.

...and I still don't get why you want to get rid of Bouillon, since december he has been very solid... he just has to play 16min or less, that's it...

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the habs have done it with 2 scoring lines.

But since grabovski got called up, dare I say that we now have 3 good offensive lines? Ryder and Streit seem to work well with him. Assuming that grabo is a full time player ( I know he sat versus phx), I think the habs can take their level of offensive punch from good to scary.

You could see that montreal only had 2 threatning lines without grabo last night. Ryder looked terrible and streit was a non factor 5 on 5 without grabo.
If Ryder and Latendresse finally open up ..........

the Habs will be surely be scary.

The question is whether they can contain the amazing talents of Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, Alfredson...

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