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Kharlamov - Petrov - Mikhailov

We all know about the KLM-line, but how good was this line?

Could all 3 of them play in NHL? What where their styles?

Who was the Fetisov, Kasatonov and Tretiak on this line?


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No question that not only could they play in NHL, but star also.

You can make a case that individually they were better then KLM, but didn't benefit from having great support from blueline like the Green Unit.

Tretiak played with them for a number of years so it's the same as Green Unit, but less of continuity with defense.

I believe defender that they played the most with is Lutchenko, as he was a regular both at CSKA and NT. Gusev was also CSKA and NT. Vasiliev was the top defender during their time, but he only played with them on the NT, as he was Dinamo player.

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We all know about the KLM-line, but how good was this line?
Considering that Mikhailov, Kharlamov and Petrov are the 1st, 2nd and 4th best scorers, respectively, in the World Championship history, I'd say they were pretty darn good. Petrov and Mikhailov are also among the top 3 scorers in the Soviet league history (with Makarov), I think.

Unfortunately, they didn't play together as a forward line in the 1972 Summit Series and none of them played in the 1976 Canada Cup, and that probably hurts their reputation, so to speak, in North America a bit.

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Well, duh, of course. Just like any Soviet star of the 1970s. Or any regular on the Soviet national team in the 1970s.

I'd say that Mikhailov was the goal-scorer AND, although skilled, the grinder of the line. He would battle with defencemen in front of the net, often scoring with rebounds or deflections. Battled also in the corners/along the boards, trying to win the puck back to his team(s). Was good at many things.
Petrov was a big and strong centerman and I'd say defensively the most responsible of the three (also because of his position). He had a big slapshot, so he was a scoring threat also, and from the blueline too (unlike Mikhailov). Usually, rather than trying to make great solo plays, he would be looking for to set up his wingers. A very good passer. And while not a virtuoso by any means, he was a terrific stickhandler also.
Kharlamov was the magician and easily the most exciting player of the three. When you watch some old clips, you often see Petrov (and sometimes Mikhailov) making those long passes to Kharlamov who - in full flight - would try and often succeed in beating a defenceman 1-on-1 and so getting a great scoring chance. Was a very good playmaker too. Until 1976 (when he had his first bad car accident), I think he was definitely the best player of the line.


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Who was the Fetisov, Kasatonov and Tretiak on this line?
I don't quite understand this question, but on the national team, Tretiak was mostly (from the 1971-72 season on) the goalie behind them (before that it was Konovalenko), and Vasiliev and Gusev, or Vasiliev and Lutchenko were mostly their defencemen. But in the 1978 World Championship, for example, their dmen were young Fetisov and Tsygankov.

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Did they play with Konovalenko as a line? Individually, sure, but I think by the time they were formed Konovalenko was no longer NT #1.

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Did they play with Konovalenko as a line? Individually, sure, but I think by the time they were formed Konovalenko was no longer NT #1.
The line was formed (by Tarasov) already in 1968/69, so the answer is: most definitely.

Konovalenko was the starting goalie on the national team until the 1971 Izvestia tournament, I think. (The 2-4 loss to Finland in the tournament is often mentioned as the moment when Tretiak finally replaced him. At least so the story goes in Finland.)

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Although this had been 'in the works' for some time, I was eventually inspired by the "The greatest goals scored by the Green Unit" thread by Batis to present some of the nicest goals scored by the Mikhailov-Petrov-Kharlamov* line, all the way from 1969 to 1980. Unfortunately, there is much e.g. World Championship footage missing especially in 1971-75, but decent amount anyway from many other years. I wanted to include goals where there is some great passing/plays also before the goal, so there are no total solo goals here. You can watch some of great Kharlamov solo efforts/highlights here, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fandqIP_19E.

Some of the goals below are scored by slightly different lineups, like Mikhailov-Petrov-Blinov (1972 Summit Series) and Mikhailov-Maltsev-Kharlamov (various games).

* This is how they are usually called in Finland for some reason, rather than K-P-M, i.e. LW-C-RW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28mLLsfVM8E&t=33m42s
Petrov scores vs Sweden at the 1969 WHC. Absolutely terrific rush and setup by Mikhailov; all Petrov has to do is to tip the puck in. Mikhailov arguably became a more complete player later on, but maybe there were less and less these kinds of brilliant individual efforts, as time went by?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D6CCIadRn8&t=83m8s
First, nice passing between Starshinov and Mikhailov in the neutral zone, then a great move (again) by Mikhailov at the blue line, and a pass to Kharlamov, who scores vs Sweden at the 1970 WHC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGYCI_VEU1Q&t=70m55s
At the end of a dominating shift, Petrov scores on “Honken” Holmqvist, with help from Mikhailov (and bad passing by Sweden).

A few goals from the 1972 Summit Series…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z34w_w6pHUg&t=43m0s
A classic shorthanded goal by Mikhailov and Petrov (scorer) vs GAG line in game 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYnveEDunfQ&t=63m40s
Another great shorthanded goal in game 3. Kharlamov breaks away and scores, really clinical finishing there. Notice also Mikhailov’s brilliantly-timed pass off the boards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_8lXXF5xj0&t=26m30s
Mikhailov and Petrov with Kharlamov on PP in game 4, a rare occasion in this series. Mikhailov directs a Lutchenko shot into the net after some pretty passing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_8lXXF5xj0&t=58m55s
After good work by Mikhailov in his own zone right after a faceoff, Petrov and Blinov have a 2-on-1; a neat pass from Petrov to Blinov who scores in game 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYrt292cNcU&t=26m38s
In game 5, there’s a fairly similar goal to the one above. A terrific pass by Mikhailov to Petrov starts the offense, Petrov then passes to Blinov at the blue line and Blinov scores after a nice move. Tony Esposito does not play it very well, though, and look what Cournoyer does to Stapleton (I mean, what the hell?).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHHBjcoG-0g&t=40m52s
MPK playing vs Czechoslovakia at the 1973 WHC (I think?). There are a few great goals (2 by Mikhailov, 1 by Kharlamov) there for sure, but unfortunately it's only 'alternative footage', and you get to see only flashes of the goals (and Boris Kulagin babbling ), which is a bit frustrating.


Then a few goals from the 1974 Summit Series…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wef1RyI-vY&t=32m56s
Petrov scores on a nice tic-tac-toe play in game 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txb8UvTxdZo&t=26m24s
On PP, after some neat passing and a shot, Mikhailov scores in game 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OleQwqDQWvU&t=23m15s
Gusev’s GWG in game 5, with setup by Mikhailov and Kharlamov. Look at Kharlamov’s move between two Canadians. Brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Xdkdps9bk&t=13m34s
Closely after the start of game 6, Rick Ley coughs up the puck to Kharlamov, who passes it to Mikhailov, who scores from the high slot with a hard wrister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxpFqTg8Gpw&t=17m54s
Gusev’s PP goal in game 7, after a setup by Kharlamov and Petrov.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxpFqTg8Gpw&t=19m8s
A classic Team USSR goal by MPK line in game 7. This is what we call a ‘klap-klap-goal’ in Finland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzRgC9SeQcM&t=70m10s
A great goal by Mikhailov vs NY Rangers in the 1975-76 Super Series. Look at Kharlamov’s setup. And it looks like Ron Greschner had already given up at this stage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_isWRurrGPw&t=64m9s
A classic goal by Kharlamov vs Montreal Canadiens, with a brilliant effort from Petrov in setting it up. Look at their patience, and then the sudden change of tempo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Txy4u_b8ds&t=60m8s
Kharlamov’s 2nd goal in the game vs the Bruins. Mikhailov starts the play, as he wins a race for the puck vs Dallas Smith and then very cheekily runs into Gilles Gilbert in the crease, hindering him. Anyway, a beautiful pass from Maltsev to Kharlamov, who scores with a high, hard wrist shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrMss9voDv4&t=61m0s
I don’t know if this goal by Petrov vs CSSR at the 1976 Olympics is so pretty, but there is definitely good cooperation by MPK there, this time around the net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEIQOfrOHNs&t=101m35s
Kharlamov scores a consolation goal in the infamous game vs Poland at the 1976 WHC, assisted by Maltsev.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm77u3pfjg0&t=16m46s
Mikhailov makes a nice drop pass to Petrov, who takes a big slap shot; Kharlamov, for once, pokes in the rebound (off the glass) vs Canada at the 1977 WHC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm77u3pfjg0&t=44m20s
On PP vs Canada, Petrov scores from the blue line after some nice passing. Mikhailov, as usual, is there near the crease with his stick, but whether he deflects it in is hard to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNk28wrw2s&t=45m8s
A great goal by Kharlamov vs Czechoslovakia at the 1977 WHC. Beautiful passing all the way by MPK and Tsygankov.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNk28wrw2s&t=49m14s
In the same game vs CSSR, Tsygankov, playing behind his own net, makes a long pass, and somewhat luckily Petrov and Mikhailov are suddenly on a 2-on-0 vs Dzurilla. Of course a goal follows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwEteGcKPWw&t=13m48s
On PP vs Canada, Petrov makes good moves at the blue line, passes the puck to Mikhailov, who passes it to Tsygankov who scores.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwEteGcKPWw&t=75m4s
First, Petrov makes a good defensive play and then sends Mikhailov and Kharlamov on a 2-on-1. Kharlamov scores a beautiful goal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYGGP1nDzfI&t=0m0s
Right after the opening faceoff, Mikhailov scores from the side of the net vs Canada at the 1978 WHC. A nice setup by the young Fetisov plus good forechecking by Kharlamov there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buodkxyrKwI&t=58m22s
A classic shorthanded goal by Mikhailov and Petrov (scorer) vs CSSR at the 1978 WHC, with help from Fetisov. The most impressive thing is Mikhailov’s patience when knocking the puck down in front of the net and passing it to Petrov.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZbBBPFIr8Y&t=66m12s
One of Mikhailov's three goals in the 1979 Challenge Cup (game 2). Not sure that the goal itself is that awesome, but there's definitely some good passing and cooperation between Mikhailov and Petrov (and the rest) on Soviet PP here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaSY4rTuiz0&t=64m28s
While shorthanded vs CSSR at the 1979 WHC, Mikhailov steals the puck and gives a breakaway pass to Petrov who scores easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaSY4rTuiz0&t=73m10s
Absolutely terrific shift by MPK vs CSSR. They have the puck on a string throughout, and it looks like a power play, even though it isn’t. Kharlamov scores by directing a low Petrov shot into the net.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ACzSWmGQqo&t=17m20s
By the 1979-80 season, MPK line had clearly lost a step, and they were becoming more inconsistent. However, they still played some great games occasionally, and the game vs the Quebec Nordiques in the 1979-80 Super Series is one of them. Here Petrov scores with his big slap shot after some beautiful passing from his linemates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ACzSWmGQqo&t=80m0s
A good steal by Kharlamov at his own blue line leads to a beautiful GWG by Mikhailov. A Nice setup by Petrov.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ACzSWmGQqo&t=91m5s
Babinov’s good defensive play vs Marc Tardif helps Mikhailov and Kharlamov to get a 2-on-1 (or basically 3-on-1) and Kharlamov scores with hard, accurate slap shot from the slot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdWHxHdzHNo&t=54m42s
After brilliant passing, Petrov scores from the slot vs USA in the 1980 pre-Olympics exhibition game at the MSG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdWHxHdzHNo&t=61m18s
A classic Soviet power play goal vs USA. Mikhailov, who else, scores from the side of the net after Petrov’s terrific pass between the defencemen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZoTFk4Fc9M&t=1m0s
This game vs Sweden at the 1980 Olympics is the last game by MPK line together (Fetisov and Kasatonov on defence there!) in big international tournaments, and they go out with a bang. Here they get a quick goal, as Kharlamov makes a great play and Petrov bangs the puck in out of the air. Had they played this well against the USA, I don’t think the Miracle would have happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZoTFk4Fc9M&t=26m5s
After good forechecking and passing, Mikhailov scores from his usual place in front of the net. His shot isn’t perfect, but it gets the job done.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxpFqTg8Gpw&t=19m8s
A classic Team USSR goal by MPK line in game 7. This is what we call a ‘klap-klap-goal’ in Finland.
This goal is truly spectacular. One of the greatest passing goals of all time in my opinion.

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Between the two threads, there is a ton of watching material.

Great job guys.

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This might be slightly trivial, but one interesting little feature I've noticed is the use of the boards in their (i.e. MPK's) passing plays. I'm not saying that it was somehow a trademark of the MPK line, nor all-Soviet thing, but seemingly they made use of the boards more than others. Of course this had been a part of hockey's 'geometry' forever, and later on Gretzky basically made it to an artform.

Among the clips in the previous post, there is Mikhailov's long pass to Kharlamov in game 3 of the 1972 Summit Series, which leads to a SH goal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYnveEDunfQ&t=63m40s

There are quite a few examples from the 1974 Summit Series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq2ngE7EYtg&t=24m58s
Petrov's pass off the boards to Mikhailov that allows Mikhailov to go neatly by 2 Canadian players in game 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txb8UvTxdZo&t=16m50s
Again Petrov, this time a pass to Kharlamov, who gets Marty Howe's elbow for his pains right after he receives the pass in game 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWRAQPj4RuY&t=3m42s
Here both Petrov and Kharlamov do it (back to back) in game 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Xdkdps9bk&t=22m31s
Petrov makes a good defensive play and gets the puck past 2 Canadian players to Kharlamov with help from the boards in game 6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Xdkdps9bk&t=29m28s
Again Petrov in game 6, a little drop pass off the boards to Mikhailov.

A couple of others:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPacuJ-H5mw&t=91m47s
Both Vasiliev and Petrov make use of the boards when clearing the puck out of their zone vs The Habs in 1975.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9avpHsr_Lw&t=121m28s
Kharlamov gets neatly by Börje Salming at the blue line, as he makes a little pass to himself off the boards in game 1 of the 1979 Challenge Cup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aiNm_ljjyc&t=52m13s
Here the Soviets make use of the boards both in their defensive zone (Babinov) and (neutral/)offensive zone (Mikhailov) in game 3 of the Challenge Cup. Nice passing indeed in this sequence.

There are numerous other examples, and probably much better ones among them, but those came to mind right now...


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Now, some solo goals from Kharlamov, Petrov and Mikhailov. There were already a few in post #6 that could be also called solo goals, even though they also had some nice setups/passes:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYnveEDunfQ&t=63m40s
Another great shorthanded goal in game 3. Kharlamov breaks away and scores, really clinical finishing there. Notice also Mikhailov’s brilliantly-timed pass off the boards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_isWRurrGPw&t=64m9s
A classic goal by Kharlamov vs Montreal Canadiens, with a brilliant effort from Petrov in setting it up. Look at their patience, and then the sudden change of tempo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaSY4rTuiz0&t=64m28s
While shorthanded vs CSSR at the 1979 WHC, Mikhailov steals the puck and gives a breakaway pass to Petrov who scores easily.
So, it's more of the same below. Not surprisingly, it is easiest to find footage with Kharlamov scoring these kind of goals, and Petrov the hardest. I wouldn't simply say that Petrov was the least capable of scoring dazzling goals, but it was his role also to set up his wingers. So I decided to give Petrov a little break, and thus there are also a couple of 'could-have-been-solo-goals' in his case.

Valeri Kharlamov

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z34w_w6pHUg&t=52m0s
His first great goal vs Canada in best-on-best competition in game 1 of the 1972 Series. A shocker. Poor Don Awrey (and Dryden).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z34w_w6pHUg&t=64m38s
K's second goal in game 1 of the 1972 SS. He could shoot too, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbIZcLfs_s8&t=29m34s
A solo goal if there ever was one in game 1 of the 1974 Summit Series, and imo Kharlamov's greatest at that, showing his uncanny ability to change direction at full speed. Against J.C. Tremblay and Pat Stapleton, no less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ82ZVOuPAU&t=23m48s
Kharlamov's goal in game 6 of the 1974 SS. Actually, Vladimir Vikulov's set up and 'Martinec-esque' moves in the neutral zone might be even more impressive here than Kharlamov's goal, but this again shows how hard it was to handle K inside the blue line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzRgC9SeQcM&t=43m8s
Kharlamov's great goal vs the Rangers in 1975. I think John Davidson later referred to it as a shot that he never saw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYGGP1nDzfI&t=103m33s
Kharlamov's goal vs Canada at the 1978 WHC. It's also Bouchard's goal definitely a bit, but a nice rush and move anyway by K.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdWHxHdzHNo&t=25m30s
Kharlamov scoring vs USA in the pre-Olympics game in 1980. Somewhat similar goal to the one above. Certainly Jim Craig can take some blame for it, but good moves and an accurate shot by Kharlamov.

Boris Mikhailov

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28mLLsfVM8E&t=45m53s
Mikhailov breaks away and scores a nice goal vs Sweden at the 1969 WHC. A good setup by Firsov too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEIQOfrOHNs&t=33m0s
Mikhailov scoring a total solo goal vs Poland at the 1976 WHC, showing a glimpse of the difference between the two hockey nations, despite the final score.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXHe0dJ-CTc&t=71m15s
Mikhailov (="Aleksander Golikov" in the announcer's world) showing his decent breakaway speed and, er, fairly original skating, as he scores vs Sweden at the 1978 WHC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aiNm_ljjyc&t=45m51s
Mikhailov scores the GWG on Cheevers in game 3 of the 1979 Challenge Cup. A good interception by Alexander Golikov to start the play, but it's pretty much a solo goal; not that M has to make any great moves, though, as Barry Beck plays it far too cautiously. Anyway, very clinical finishing by M.

Vladimir Petrov

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYnveEDunfQ&t=21m21s
On Canadian PP, Petrov intercepts a weak pass at the blue line and scores with his big slapper in game 3 of the 1972 Summit Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkVIOdEMfQ&t=35m35s
Petrov breaks away from the Canadian defence and scores a PP goal in game 7 of the 1972 SS. A good setup by Vikulov.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaZy4dyFRaM&t=5m42s
Petrov scores on his own rebound in game 2 of the 1974 Summit Series. Except that he doesn't score, according to the ref.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrMss9voDv4&t=5m37s
Petrov nearly scoring on a breakaway vs CSSR at the 1976 Olympics. Unfortunately, the whole play is truly visible only in the replay. Anyway, a good burst of speed by Petrov & a great save by Holecek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNk28wrw2s&t=34m22s
Again, Petrov nearly scoring on a breakaway (of sorts) after a great maneuver by him and Kharlamov in the neutral zone vs CSSR at the 1977 WHC.

There you go. I added also some footage to post #6; it's not much, but it's something:
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MPK playing vs Czechoslovakia at the 1973 WHC (I think?). There are a few great goals there for sure (2 by Mikhailov, 1 by Kharlamov), but unfortunately it's only 'alternative footage', and you get to see only flashes of the goals (and Boris Kulagin babbling ), which is a bit frustrating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZbBBPFIr8Y&t=66m12s
One of Mikhailov's three goals in the 1979 Challenge Cup (game 2). Not sure that the goal itself is that awesome, but there's definitely some good passing and cooperation between Mikhailov and Petrov (and the rest) on Soviet PP there.


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Was it better than Lehtinen-Koivu-Selänne?

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Yes, by far. Petrov alone was much better defensively than Koivu with a much better shot.

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I think all three could have played in the NHL and done well, for sure!


On D back in the 70s some top Russians (from a NA perspective!): Gusev, Lutchenko, Ragulin, Vasiliev, Tsygankov (and I suspect I'm missing one or more HaHa)

I think for me Vasiliev probably stands out the most among those noted...


In goal it was Tretiak for KPM just like the KLM line

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In the movie about Charlamov, there was mentioned, he received a 1 million dollar offer. Yeah, man could say, it is a movie, but such talent like him would be something special in NHL. Especially on that times, when there was lack of pure hockey skills.

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A quote from the book "Tretiak" (by memory)

Canadians offered Kharlamov one million dollars to play in the NHL.
"Without Petrov and Mikhailov I cannot agree to the transfer," Kharlamov jokingly replied. Canadians, however, thought he was being serious:
"Of course! They will be paid the same!"

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Mikhailov's Soviet League goal totals are comical. It was like 1995 Peter Bondra, but for an entire career. I believe 420 something goals in 570 games or something like that.
102 goals in 120 games in international play. Absolutely ridiculous.

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Mikhailov's Soviet League goal totals are comical. It was like 1995 Peter Bondra, but for an entire career. I believe 420 something goals in 570 games or something like that.
102 goals in 120 games in international play. Absolutely ridiculous.
Yep, that's pretty good from a player who couldn't even shoot! (I'm talking about slapshots.) Nor was he big or particularly strong; but he was tenacious and he knew how to be in the right place at the right time.

Along with Vyacheslav Starshinov, Mikhailov is the only player to have scored over 400 goals in the Soviet league, right? I think Sergei Makarov and Vladimir Petrov have slightly more points, though (both somewhat over 700 pts, Mikhailov around 650 pts).

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Mikhailov's Soviet League goal totals are comical. It was like 1995 Peter Bondra, but for an entire career. I believe 420 something goals in 570 games or something like that.
102 goals in 120 games in international play. Absolutely ridiculous.
Mikhailov scored 428 goals in 572 Soviet League games, 0,75 goal per game. That's an absolute record for Soviet League goals total.
He also holds a record for goals on WC + OG - 120 games 109 goals, 0,91 goal per game. Second place - 126 games, 94 goals.
He scored 706 goals in all events. Only Makarov scored more (723 goals). The third place holds Petrov, who scored 616 goals.
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Mikhailov scored 428 goals in 572 Soviet League games, 0,75 goal per game. That's an absolute record for Soviet League goals total.
He also holds a record for goals on WC + OG - 120 games 109 goals, 0,91 goal per game. Second place - 126 games, 94 goals.
He scored 706 goals in all events. Only Makarov scored more (723 goals). The third place holds Petrov, who scored 616 goals.
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In total Mikhailov donned the national team sweater 377 times, scoring 279 goals, adding 161 assists for a total of 440 points.
This includes unofficial games.

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In total Mikhailov donned the national team sweater 377 times, scoring 279 goals, adding 161 assists for a total of 440 points.
This includes unofficial games.
Would it be possible to get these total career stats for other international (star) players as well?

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Would it be possible to get these total career stats for other international (star) players as well?
I have only done this for the Soviet players so far (up until 1991).
It is very time consuming as I am going through every game, many of them are quite obscure with minimal coverage.
Eventually I am going to do this for all the major countries, but it will take quite a while to compile.

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I have only done this for the Soviet players so far (up until 1991).
It is very time consuming as I am going through every game, many of them are quite obscure with minimal coverage.
Eventually I am going to do this for all the major countries, but it will take quite a while to compile.
Okay.

How about for Petrov and Kharlamov? It would be interesting to compare. (Probably no huge differences, though.)

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Rank Player Position YearsGames Goals Assists PointsPPG Avg.
1Aleksander MaltsevC1968-1984410288193
481
1.173
2Vladimir PetrovC1967-1981366268190
458
1.251
3Valeri KharlamovLW1968-1981377251206
457
1.212
4Boris MikhailovRW1967-1980377279161
440
1.167
5Sergei MakarovRW1977-1991335212175
387
1.155
6Veniamin AleksandrovLW1956-1968257220104
324
1.260
7Vladimir KrutovLW1980-1989270164150
314
1.162
8Aleksandr YakushevLW1965-197929620782
289
0.976
9Anatoli FirsovLW1962-197222819093
283
1.241
10Vyacheslav StarshinovC1960-197228121460
274
0.975


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Interesting Cluster

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Here is a top 10 list

Rank Player Position YearsGames Goals Assists Points
1Aleksandr MaltsevC1968-1984410288193
481
2Vladimir PetrovC1967-1981366268190
458
3Valeri KharlamovLW1968-1981377251206
457
4Boris MikhailovRW1967-1980377279161
440
5Sergei MakarovRW1977-1991335212175
387
6Veniamin AleksandrovLW1956-1968257220104
324
7Vladimir KrutovLW1980-1989270164150
314
8Aleksandr YakushevLW1965-197929620782
289
9Anatoli FirsovLW1962-197222819093
283
10Vyacheslav StarshinovC1960-197228121460
274
Well done. Top 4 produces an interesting cluster. Games played, goals, points are very close given the different abilities, styles and roles of each.

Seems that finding the right linemates and roles was critical to the Soviet hockey philosophy.

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Rank Player Position YearsGames Goals Assists PointsPPG Avg.
1Aleksander MaltsevC1968-1984410288193
481
1.173
2Vladimir PetrovC1967-1981366268190
458
1.251
3Valeri KharlamovLW1968-1981377251206
457
1.212
4Boris MikhailovRW1967-1980377279161
440
1.167
5Sergei MakarovRW1977-1991335212175
387
1.155
6Veniamin AleksandrovLW1956-1968257220104
324
1.260
7Vladimir KrutovLW1980-1989270164150
314
1.162
8Aleksandr YakushevLW1965-197929620782
289
0.976
9Anatoli FirsovLW1962-197222819093
283
1.241
10Vyacheslav StarshinovC1960-197228121460
274
0.975
Terrific.

I'm a little surprised about Petrov's goal total; basically on the same level with Mikhailov. Furthermore, this was a guy who outscored his linemates both internationally and domestically, and imo he was also the defensively most responsible of them. Yet he was the least heralded of the players and his SPOTY voting record is clearly the worst.* I'm not saying that he should be regarded as good as especially Kharlamov, but maybe he should get more credit, I don't know.

I reckon that the assist data has been impossible to find sometimes; namely, every player has more goals than assists here, even those players who have clearly more assists than goals in just big international tournaments (WHC, OG, CC).

Veniamin Aleksandrov is quite a suprise; he looks very good in this.

* Petrov's SPOTY record would look a little better, though, if there had been the usual voting in 1979 (i.e. they just handed the Soviet player of the year honor to Mikhailov that year); he would most certainly have been in the top 5 in 1979, arguably top 3 (My educated guess is 3rd after Mikhailov and Makarov, Kharlamov would have received some votes probably too.) Petrov's difficult temperament also hindered his career sometimes; for example, he was dropped off the national team in 1976 prior to the World Championship, not because of injury but because of some ill-timed comments.


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