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Slovak National Team- The start over again edition

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12-21-2016, 07:51 PM
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That's comparing a country with a self-sustaining system to a country without one. The Slovak senior league and the Junior League are terrible, that's why their worst years are far worse than the worst Czech years. The worst Czech years 08 and 09 produced 3 picks each, last year only produced 4 and the year before that they produced over 10 so there wasn't ever really a sustained dip in Czech performance. The Slovak Senior league needs to be raised to a level at or above the DEL, the Junior League to a level at or above the Czech U20, in order to be competitive with the top 6. A few new academies aren't going to do that. It may produce a few more higher end prospects, but until the Slovak system is ready to sustain itself again it's not going to be top 6.

But there's way more organizational infrastructure in the Slovak system, with Czech ties, Slovan, and a wider base of agents, so they should be able to get back on their feet and clear countries like Latvia which are kinda riding a high wave which doubles as a precipice.

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12-22-2016, 02:28 AM
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I'm not much of a fan of comparing Czech republic and Slovakia. If we want to be honest, we have to admit that Slovakia was never as good as the Czechs when it comes to the overall hockey resources. Hockey was already a developed sport in CZE when it first came to Slovakia, Slovak leagues were never as good as the Czech ones and even in Czechoslovakia days you had only few Slovak teams in the top league. The infrastructure isn't quiet as developed and the numbers of hockey players were always much lower in Slovakia (although those official numbers for the Czechs are definitely somewhat removed from reality due to "ghost players"). Even during the best years at the junior level finishing better than 7-9th worldwide was more of an exception than a rule.

Mentioning just the few new academies is taking things out of context as the hockey academies are just one of several new planned polices the current leadership of the federation is planning. Also since wings5 was asking about the Czechs, one of the things that they have done over the past few years is establishing hockey acadmies. So it definitely helps. Although it has to be said that there are still people in Czech hockey who feel like they're not doing enough.

I think that establishing 10 hockey academies, especially if they really work, will be much more helpful to Slovak hockey than Slovan is. Nothing personal against Slovan, but what kind of assets are they currently bringing to Slovak hockey. Their departure from the Slovak league further depleted the league's quality, they are relying on foreign players more and more, so they're not a base for the national team as they were hailed to be before they joined the league.

As for the Czech ties, a common league isn't happening anytime soon, so there is more of a connection through Slovak players finding their place in Czech leagues, but again that's another thing that might be good for the development of those players but is depleting the level of talent in the Slovak leagues.

With so few players how can Slovakia have a competitive junior league when you have an exodus of those players abroad and then on top of that the u20 national team that plays in the men's league?

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12-22-2016, 03:14 AM
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Czechs have also issues. Father of Pavel Zacha has his own website where he says openly, what are the issues. And that the ice hockey government doesnt have very much interest to change it. They somehow produce good players. Its not 10 every year, but with the few examples, they use as argument for "good and working system". This guy mentioned few weeks ago, he was contacted by Martin Kohut and he was amazed, what they showed him.

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I'm not much of a fan of comparing Czech republic and Slovakia. If we want to be honest, we have to admit that Slovakia was never as good as the Czechs when it comes to the overall hockey resources. Hockey was already a developed sport in CZE when it first came to Slovakia, Slovak leagues were never as good as the Czech ones and even in Czechoslovakia days you had only few Slovak teams in the top league. The infrastructure isn't quiet as developed and the numbers of hockey players were always much lower in Slovakia (although those official numbers for the Czechs are definitely somewhat removed from reality due to "ghost players"). Even during the best years at the junior level finishing better than 7-9th worldwide was more of an exception than a rule.

Mentioning just the few new academies is taking things out of context as the hockey academies are just one of several new planned polices the current leadership of the federation is planning. Also since wings5 was asking about the Czechs, one of the things that they have done over the past few years is establishing hockey acadmies. So it definitely helps. Although it has to be said that there are still people in Czech hockey who feel like they're not doing enough.

I think that establishing 10 hockey academies, especially if they really work, will be much more helpful to Slovak hockey than Slovan is. Nothing personal against Slovan, but what kind of assets are they currently bringing to Slovak hockey. Their departure from the Slovak league further depleted the league's quality, they are relying on foreign players more and more, so they're not a base for the national team as they were hailed to be before they joined the league.

As for the Czech ties, a common league isn't happening anytime soon, so there is more of a connection through Slovak players finding their place in Czech leagues, but again that's another thing that might be good for the development of those players but is depleting the level of talent in the Slovak leagues.

With so few players how can Slovakia have a competitive junior league when you have an exodus of those players abroad and then on top of that the u20 national team that plays in the men's league?
Does Slovan get much fan fare? If they generate more interest in hockey and get more kids joining than surely they have a positive impact even if they have few Slovak players.

Do you think the Orange u20 team has been a good influence?

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12-23-2016, 02:18 AM
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Does Slovan get much fan fare? If they generate more interest in hockey and get more kids joining than surely they have a positive impact even if they have few Slovak players.

Do you think the Orange u20 team has been a good influence?
I would expect that Slovan's impact in regards to creating more interest in getting kids to play is fringe at best.

As for the u20 team it's not a solution but a temporary fix that is aimed at achieving results (not getting relegated at the WJC) rather than developing players. The current president would like to replace the team with those 10 hockey academies for players aged 10-18 that were mentioned here earlier.

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Eventually in hockey you get to a stage where the people who have potential to be successful in the future are whittled out from the pack. A club like slovan, and ties to Czech clubs which allow players to play with domestic licenses I think, those are important for the Erik Cernaks of the world. People place a lot of importance on the 10-18 range and they should but having club ties so that players in the 19-23 range can play in competitive leagues where they can transition to senior hockey is absolutely vital. Otherwise, even with a system that increases the amount of youth channeling good hockey education and ups the potential for a good prospect there will still be immense drop-off once they pass the final junior level.

All national U20 systems that aren't Belarus run into the same problem, too many players playing abroad.

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12-23-2016, 10:48 AM
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A bit strange to bring up Cernak who has never played in Europe outside of Slovakia before going to NA as an 18 year old.

But I get the point is different here. However in regards to prevent players stopping with hockey after juniors, having a good structure of home leagues is more important, although the ties with foreign leagues are a plus for the to players. In theory the EUHL, university hockey league might also be somewhat helpful in this regard. Though it is hard to foresee university sports having as much success in Europe as it does in the US.

Of course, all countries have players who play abroad at the u20 level, but in Slovakia's case this creates more of a strain on the home leagues because of the low numbers of registered players and then taking the best of the rest u20 players into the u20 team and the top home u18 players into the u18 national team (although theose still play in the league).

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The following players have been named to the first training camp of the national team prior to the IHWC.

The list also includes players from the Olympic selection team who will play two games against Poland.

Julius Hudacek Orebro/SWE
Jaroslav Janus Verva Litvinov/CZE

Michal Cajkovsky Avtomobilist Jekaterinburg/KHL
Ivan Svarny Karpat Oulu/FIN
Lubodmir Dinda HK SKO Poprad/SVK
Marek Daloga HC Slovan Bratislava/KHL
Peter Ceresnak HC Skoda Plzen/CZE
Samuel Fereta HC Slovan Bratislava/SVK U20
Patrik Maier HC Nové Zámky/SVK

Martin Bakos Kchun-lun Red Stars/KHL
Michael Vandas HC Vitkovice/CZE
Andreas Strauch HK Poprad/SVK
Peter Lichanec HK Poprad/SVK
Adam Lapsansky Ravnsburg Towerstar/KHL
Samuel Takac LHC Lyons/FRA
Stanislav Horansky SC Lagenthal/SUI
Vladimir Dravecky Ocelari Trinec/CE
Libor Hudacek Orebro/SWE
Tomas Hrnka HC Skoda Plzen/CZE
Matej Paulovic HC Nové Zámky/SVK
Miroslav Preisinger HC Plzen/CZE

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