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03-12-2017, 09:23 AM
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Back then, both games were on free tv. It was a given that it would eat up 1000-2000 people from going to the arena.

Since attendances are declining and majority of Jokerit fans even at Jatkoaika would now prefer for the team to return to "home", it doesn't seem there's that much appreciation. The number on casual or non-hardcore fans has increased and marketing has played a big part in that but the club or it's success nor lack of, doesn't mean that much to those people.
Even with that questionable claim about free broadcasting (semifinals at home, if you're a fan who's not financially broke, you go to the arena), the numbers are clearly lower than in KHL at a similar stage of the playoffs. And by the way, the matches were broadcast for free on delay, around midnight. Don't think it affected the attendance numbers that much.

it's mainly a vocal minority who are against the KHL. If you look at the attendance numbers from the past years, the vast majority are on board with the new league, although this season saw a slight decrease (less than 10 %) due to a fairly uninspiring team. Oh, and according to the all knowing Jatkoaika, Jokerit marketing is crap.


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03-12-2017, 12:00 PM
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Over 11k in attendance for Dynamo today. Less than a thousand short of a sellout, then again, I guess a lot of boxes weren't taken again.

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Even with that questionable claim about free broadcasting (semifinals at home, if you're a fan who's not financially broke, you go to the arena), the numbers are clearly lower than in KHL at a similar stage of the playoffs. And by the way, the matches were broadcast for free on delay, around midnight. Don't think it affected the attendance numbers that much.

it's mainly a vocal minority who are against the KHL. If you look at the attendance numbers from the past years, the vast majority are on board with the new league, although this season saw a slight decrease (less than 10 %) due to a fairly uninspiring team. Oh, and according to the all knowing Jatkoaika, Jokerit marketing is crap.
It's not questionable at all, it was evident at every arena back then. Hockeynight games on MTV3 rarely had sold out crowds (and they were live), even in playoffs, unless it was the finals. Nelonen aired the some playoff games and finals live. Finns are very stingy and lazy sports fans.

You might want to check the poll section at Jatkoaika, it was very heavily towards returning to Finnish league. A couple of weeks ago the poll (Where would you prefer to see Jokerit play) had 23% Jokerit fans playing in KHL, 77% in Liiga. For non-Jokerit fans the numbers were 37,5% and 62,5% respectively.


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It's not questionable at all, it was evident at every arena back then. Hockeynight games on MTV3 rarely had sold out crowds (and they were live), even in playoffs, unless it was the finals. Nelonen aired the some playoff games and finals live. Finns are very stingy and lazy sports fans.

You might want to check the poll section at Jatkoaika, it was very heavily towards returning to Finnish league. A couple of weeks ago the poll (Where would you prefer to see Jokerit play) had 23% Jokerit fans playing in KHL, 77% in Liiga. For non-Jokerit fans the numbers were 37,5% and 62,5% respectively.
If you really think that late night reruns have a significant effect on attendance figures, then you're clueless. Besides, even the games which were not broadcast free at late hours had significantly smaller attendance numbers than similar games at KHL. End of story.

Also, why are you looking at some random polls at Jatkoaika, when the reality, aka KHL attendance figures, clearly shows that fans prefer KHL over Liiga?

E: I checked the poll and you cannot be serious, it had less than 50 votes from Jokerit fans. Talking about an adequate sample size...


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If you really think that late night reruns have a significant effect on attendance figures, then you're clueless. Besides, even the games which were not broadcast free at late hours had significantly smaller attendance numbers than similar games at KHL. End of story.

Also, why are you looking at some random polls at Jatkoaika, when the reality, aka KHL attendance figures, clearly shows that fans prefer KHL over Liiga?

E: I checked the poll and you cannot be serious, it had less than 50 votes from Jokerit fans. Talking about an adequate sample size...
Some games were broadcast live back then.

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Some games were broadcast live back then.
We were talking about Jokerit-JYP semifinal games and those were not broadcast live on free channels, only on Nelonen Pro. I remember, because I purchased that package just for those games.

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We were talking about Jokerit-JYP semifinal games and those were not broadcast live on free channels, only on Nelonen Pro. I remember, because I purchased that package just for those games.
I was talking about earlier games.

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I was talking about earlier games.
Ok. Doesn't matter though, even the games which were not broadcast live on free tv have generally had less spectators when compared to KHL Jokerit in the playoffs.

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Ok. Doesn't matter though, even the games which were not broadcast live on free tv have generally had less spectators when compared to KHL Jokerit in the playoffs.
Jokerit first SM-Liiga playoff games at Hartwall were well attended as well...

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Jokerit first SM-Liiga playoff games at Hartwall were well attended as well...
True, and then the novelty wore off. Same might happen with KHL of course, you never know.

Looks like a packed house in Moscow.

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03-14-2017, 06:20 PM
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Over 11k in attendance for Dynamo today. Less than a thousand short of a sellout, then again, I guess a lot of boxes weren't taken again.
whats with the boxes always being empty?

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So, Kuznetskie Medvedi finished their season a week ago with the 1st sellout in their history (7533 fanz), and the 1st sellout in the city since October 2012 game against Magnitka led by Malkin



Moscow games against Krasnaya Armia gained remarkable interest as well, as the games were broadcasted in movie theaters. Overall, the Medvedi games were among the most attended in both quarterfinals and semifinals of MHL playoffs.
It's now pretty certain that the attendance for Kuznya collapsed this year for a simple reason of people being tired of losing.

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So, Kuznetskie Medvedi finished their season a week ago with the 1st sellout in their history (7533 fanz), and the 1st sellout in the city since October 2012 game against Magnitka led by Malkin



Moscow games against Krasnaya Armia gained remarkable interest as well, as the games were broadcasted in movie theaters. Overall, the Medvedi games were among the most attended in both quarterfinals and semifinals of MHL playoffs.
It's now pretty certain that the attendance for Kuznya collapsed this year for a simple reason of people being tired of losing.
...And people whining about the KHL guys being loaned to the teams and whining about quality of the games. Even though the quality of the Semis is higher than most CHL games. Clearly the result is increase in competition at the junior level, increase in fan interest. Win for the players, win for the fans, win for league marketing.

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Complete regular season attendance numbers:

Using this graph, I have calculated the capacity of each arena in the KHL. This was done by taking the average fans per game divided by capacity percentage times 100. For example, for Dinamo Minsk, the average fans per game was 13,230 and the the average capacity percentage was 87.7%. Therefore, (13,230/87.7)*100=15,085. Some statistics seems strange, but most of the data seems legitimate. You can be the judge.


Vityaz Podolsk
Ice Palace Vityaz: 5,497‎

Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod
Trade Union Sport Palace: 5,499‎

Admiral Vladivostok
Fetisov Arena: 5,501‎

Yugra Khanty-Mansiysk
Arena Yugra: 5,503

Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg
KRK Uralets: 5,542‎

CSKA Moscow
LDC CSKA: 5,599

Lada Tolyatti
Lada Arena: 5,996

Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk
SKK Neftekhimik: 6,002‎

Severstal Cherepovets
Ice Palace (Cherepovets): 6,068

Medvescak Zagreb
Dom Sportova: 6,817

Amur Khabarovsk
Platinum Arena: 7,096‎

Sibir Novosibirsk
Ice Sports Palace Sibir: 7,417‎

Traktor Chelyabinsk
Traktor Arena: 7,501‎

Metallurg Novokuznetsk
Dvorets Kuznetskikh Metallurgov: 7,522‎

Metallurg Magnitogorsk
Arena Metallurg: 7,706‎

Red Star Kunlun
LeSports Center: 8,043 (seems small)

Salavat Yulaev Ufa
Ufa Arena: 8,075‎

Ak Bars Kazan
TatNeft Arena: 8,888

Spartak Moscow
Luzhniki Small Sports Palace: 9,019
Legends Arena: 10,670* (Legends Arena capacity is different between Dynamo [12,104] and Spartak [10,670] which is strange)

Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
Arena 2000: 9,074‎

Dinamo Riga
Arena Riga: 9,402

Avangard Omsk
Arena Omsk: 10,312

Slovan Bratislava
Slovnaft Arena: 10,452‎

Barys Astana
Barys Arena: 11,625‎

HK Sochi
Bolshoy Ice Dome: 11,990
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Dynamo Moscow
Legends Arena: 12,104* (Legends Arena capacity is different between Dynamo [12,104] and Spartak [10,670] which is strange)

SKA Saint Petersburg
Ice Palace (Saint Petersburg): 12,300‎
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Jokerit Helsinki
Hartwall Arena: 13,347
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Dinamo Minsk
Minsk Arena: 15,085‎

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I don't understand, isn't this a very easily found info? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._League_arenas

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KHL's moderately recent article puts the playoff attendance numbers at record 8529, which is above the previous top number of 8388 and is impressive.

Expectedly, Dinamo Minsk was the most popular team in playoffs, averaging a sellout with 15086 spectators, while CSKA was the worst with 4128. Minsk, SKA, Traktor, Salavat, Admiral and Torpedo all averaged filling the arena for 100% or more.

http://www.khl.ru/news/2017/05/11/346918.html

And one more thing. Last winter we could see an unusual occurence when KHL regular season games outdrew RFPL matches played in the same city (Moscow) at the same time. However, it seems likely that even with Kuznya cut, it won't be a regulat occasion. The football championship attendance, oppositely to the KHL, keeps growing:



I expect the gap in average attendance to keep increasing, as Zenit will play in their new giant stadium, Krasnodar will play full time in their new stadium, and it is possible (even if unlikely) that rebuilt Luzhniki will host one of the big Moscow derbies.

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KHL's moderately recent article puts the playoff attendance numbers at record 8529, which is above the previous top number of 8388 and is impressive.

Expectedly, Dinamo Minsk was the most popular team in playoffs, averaging a sellout with 15086 spectators, while CSKA was the worst with 4128. Minsk, SKA, Traktor, Salavat, Admiral and Torpedo all averaged filling the arena for 100% or more.

http://www.khl.ru/news/2017/05/11/346918.html

And one more thing. Last winter we could see an unusual occurence when KHL regular season games outdrew RFPL matches played in the same city (Moscow) at the same time. However, it seems likely that even with Kuznya cut, it won't be a regulat occasion. The football championship attendance, oppositely to the KHL, keeps growing:



I expect the gap in average attendance to keep increasing, as Zenit will play in their new giant stadium, Krasnodar will play full time in their new stadium, and it is possible (even if unlikely) that rebuilt Luzhniki will host one of the big Moscow derbies.
Regardless of what happens in football, the picture seems pretty bright! Glad to hear that. Though I didn't understand the bolded part. Do you mean that they sell more tickets than official number of seats? Reminds me of Putin's crushing victory with %140.

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Regardless of what happens in football, the picture seems pretty bright! Glad to hear that. Though I didn't understand the bolded part. Do you mean that they sell more tickets than official number of seats? Reminds me of Putin's crushing victory with %140.
I don't know, maybe they count kids who don't take a separate seat, or add press box to the total number, or count the season tickets that weren't taken and were consequently sold freely twice, or something. Though, as you have accurately said, sometimes in Russia the numbers become flexible and start following the laws and rules not discovered by earthly men yet.

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