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03-14-2008, 11:20 AM
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Ideas of why we cant beat Ottawa.

I know we played a pretty good game vs. Ottawa, Gerber played well and for once in the last 6 games we didnt get outshot, but what I keep noticing is we just aren't playing gritty enough against Ottawa's top line, I saw ample opportunities in the first period for players to Hit Spezza or Heatly when they went into the corners, instead we collapsed back towards the net. I think the collapsing D works well against most teams but when we play teams with bonifide snipers and playmakers I think we have to play stonger 1 on 1.
I don't know I can handle Spezza scoring on us every night a lot better if were at least roughing him up a bit.
What do you think, more grit?


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The main reason is that they normally score more goals than our team does.

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dont hate them enough
to much respect for their stars, which means we give them to much time and space and when you give a good player time and space, your cooked!

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I know we played a pretty good game vs. Ottawa, Gerber played well and for once in the last 6 games we didnt get outshot, but what I keep noticing is we just aren't playing gritty enough against Ottawa's top line, I saw ample opportunities in the first period for players to Hit Spezza or Heatly when they went into the corners, instead we collapsed back towards the net. I think the collapsing D works well against most teams but when we play teams with bonifide snipers and playmakers I think we have to play stonger 1 on 1.
I don't know I can handle Spezza scoring on us every night a lot better if were at least roughing him up a bit.
What do you think, more grit?
We respect them too much and give them too much space to operate. They are basically a 1 line offense so play mean and nasty against that line instead of backing into our goalie.

If we had played like Tuesday we beat them easy.

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We are simply not ready to fight to win the game.Everytime we play them we just seem scared to play against them.Too much respect perhaps..

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The main reason is that they normally score more goals than our team does.
Wow, that was insightful, I'm so glad you read my thread.

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#1 - The Habs show too much respect to the Sens

#2 - They're best players outplay our best players

#3 - The Sens are alot more battle tested then the Habs

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They probably realize that if they try to cheapshot them, they will themselves be cheapshotted, likely in a worse manner

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Maybe they are just the superior team

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As the original poster said we simply haven't been gritty enough. Komisarek should be laying their top line out and our only guy throwing hits for forwards shouldn't be Andrei Kostitsyn. It was terrible having to see Koivu almost having to fight Schubert because of the little heart that was shown by our team all game.

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I think the coaching philosophy has to change against the Sens. Carbonneau has his men withdraw and pull back to much and to fast. Playing a waiting game against this team will only get you beat. The games I've seen Ottawa struggle (ie against Washington) is when the opponent puts as much offensive pressure as possible on their D, with relentless & aggressive fore-check. It worked for a while at the beginning of the 2nd period but didn't last long enough.

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As the original poster said we simply haven't been gritty enough. Komisarek should be laying their top line out and our only guy throwing hits for forwards shouldn't be Andrei Kostitsyn. It was terrible having to see Koivu almost having to fight Schubert because of the little heart that was shown by our team all game.
Agreed.
There were at least 10 chances to hit an already fragile Alfredsson last night where our player would just stop or skate by him. We should have been all over this guy and make him pay for not staying out of the lineup long enough!

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dont hate them enough
to much respect for their stars, which means we give them to much time and space and when you give a good player time and space, your cooked!
Indeed, just like it was reported Carbo said in news conference, not enough hate. Come on, have to give her ****, and go all out, then I think we can give Ottawa a good scare, or actually win!!

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Yesterday was just a wierd game...Habs didn't play so bad and Ottawa wasn't daminating IMO.

Next game will be a win

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Indeed, just like it was reported Carbo said in news conference, not enough hate. Come on, have to give her ****, and go all out, then I think we can give Ottawa a good scare, or actually win!!
I agree with that analysis.If we can beat Brodeur and the Devils, we can beat Ottawa. Our kids will learn that its all in their heads and surpass themselves one day soon.

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#1 - The Habs show too much respect to the Sens

#2 - Their best players outplay our best players

#3 - The Sens are alot more battle tested than the Habs
This sums it up, imo.

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Agreed.
There were at least 10 chances to hit an already fragile Alfredsson last night where our player would just stop or skate by him. We should have been all over this guy and make him pay for not staying out of the lineup long enough!
Chris Nilan would have came out in the first two minutes, nailed Alfy, Ottawa would have got all flustered and the Habs would have won the game.
Alfy+Spezza =

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They probably realize that if they try to cheapshot them, they will themselves be cheapshotted, likely in a worse manner
Fail?

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The Habs are too soft. They cannot play a hate filled game against any team or they will get beat on.

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I think the coaching philosophy has to change against the Sens. Carbonneau has his men withdraw and pull back to much and to fast. Playing a waiting game against this team will only get you beat. The games I've seen Ottawa struggle (ie against Washington) is when the opponent puts as much offensive pressure as possible on their D, with relentless & aggressive fore-check. It worked for a while at the beginning of the 2nd period but didn't last long enough.
See, for example, 2007 Stanley Cup Finals: Ducks vs. Senators.

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I think the coaching philosophy has to change against the Sens. Carbonneau has his men withdraw and pull back to much and to fast. Playing a waiting game against this team will only get you beat. The games I've seen Ottawa struggle (ie against Washington) is when the opponent puts as much offensive pressure as possible on their D, with relentless & aggressive fore-check. It worked for a while at the beginning of the 2nd period but didn't last long enough.
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As the original poster said we simply haven't been gritty enough. Komisarek should be laying their top line out and our only guy throwing hits for forwards shouldn't be Andrei Kostitsyn. It was terrible having to see Koivu almost having to fight Schubert because of the little heart that was shown by our team all game
Experience is key in these match up. some people forget how much more experience the sens have as a group. This is really the first year that the habs are introducing the young talent to there everyday line up. The habs have had a awsome year and have past expectations but still have alot to learn as a group. The sens did not become this dominant force overnight. It took some time for them to be able to play at this level. I think when are young players will gain a bit more experience they will not back down to anyone. A couple of playoff rounds would help. The talent is there for the habs but they still need to grow as a group and when that happens they will be more agresive vs teams like ottawa and the good teams out west.

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Experience is key in these match up. some people forget how much more experience the sens have as a group. This is really the first year that the habs are introducing the young talent to there everyday line up. The habs have had a awsome year and have past expectations but still have alot to learn as a group. The sens did not become this dominant force overnight. It took some time for them to be able to play at this level. I think when are young players will gain a bit more experience they will not back down to anyone. A couple of playoff rounds would help. The talent is there for the habs but they still need to grow as a group and when that happens they will be more agresive vs teams like ottawa and the good teams out west.
I think you're right... Pittsburgh played Ottawa very evenly in the regular season last year, but got decimated in the first round. The Sens had to go through their growing pains before they became intimidating like that... the Habs are VERY young and with experience, they will be more of a force.

Personally, I think you guys could stand to add some size up front. Unfortunately, by the new rules, the Habs should excel... but in the playoffs, they don't call the game like that anymore (see Sabres '07 and even again the Sens in the finals).

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Maybe they are just the superior team

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What?

Better offensive players - check
Better offensive depth - check
Better overall experience - check
Better grit- check....

I don't know what you guys think, but when the sens step up their game (which they fricking do every time they play us), they are the better team. Of course when our young guys become more experienced, that will change, but for now, I think it's a given that the sens have a better overall team than us...

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I know we played a pretty good game vs. Ottawa, Gerber played well and for once in the last 6 games we didnt get outshot, but what I keep noticing is we just aren't playing gritty enough against Ottawa's top line, I saw ample opportunities in the first period for players to Hit Spezza or Heatly when they went into the corners, instead we collapsed back towards the net. I think the collapsing D works well against most teams but when we play teams with bonifide snipers and playmakers I think we have to play stonger 1 on 1.
I don't know I can handle Spezza scoring on us every night a lot better if were at least roughing him up a bit.
What do you think, more grit?

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