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KHL Expansion Part VII

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04-15-2017, 05:51 AM
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Per team?
Ah crap... Its meant to say 4 million, not one. But in the grand scheme of things its only roughly 285k per team per year for the next 4 years with an option of four more years...Not exactly a lot of money...

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04-15-2017, 06:45 AM
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Ah crap... Its meant to say 4 million, not one. But in the grand scheme of things its only roughly 285k per team per year for the next 4 years with an option of four more years...Not exactly a lot of money...
Yeah, not a lot compared to for example the Finnish and especially Swedish ones. The current Finnish one guarantees teams about 900K each year but since the rights holder has been losing a lot of money on it because sports pay tv is not very popular here, the next tv deal is expected to be smaller. The new Swedish one guarantees each team 4,7 million euros per year.

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04-15-2017, 06:58 PM
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With that attitude then every hockey league outside of Finland, Czech, Lativa, Russia and Canada should probably just give up shouldn't it? Because 'oh no! soccer is a popular sport as well!'

DEL teams seem to have no issue getting money in such a football mad country already
Maybe their next step shouldn't be to join KHL.

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04-15-2017, 07:48 PM
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Maybe their next step shouldn't be to join KHL.
I agree and don't think we'd see it happen unless a new team was formed just for the KHL

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06-05-2017, 04:21 AM
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"The optimal size of the KHL is 24 clubs"

AND

"In a season or two the League might expand eastward and westward”

Both from:

http://en.khl.ru/news/2017/05/17/347292.html

How can these statement co-work?

Is there any news about any new club for the 2018-19 season?

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06-05-2017, 04:46 AM
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"The optimal size of the KHL is 24 clubs"

AND

"In a season or two the League might expand eastward and westward”

Both from:

http://en.khl.ru/news/2017/05/17/347292.html

How can these statement co-work?

Is there any news about any new club for the 2018-19 season?
The KHL adopted new strategic plan on May 24. The league had 29 teams in current season, two clubs were cut to have 27 teams next season. As you can see, three more clubs to be cut after 2017/18, the league will have 24 teams. Before 19/20 two more teams will be cut but two more foreign teams will replace them, so the league will keep at 24. The same will happen following season. Of course non-russian teams like Slovan, Riga etc can be cut too, but there is a general opinion that Russian teams will be excluded (because there is not so many good enough Russian players for so many R teams, some R teams dont have economical potential for future & the league needs new developed markets - selling TV rights)

There is a mechanism of the clubs rotation

red - how many teams will be cut
blue - how many teams will be in the KHL for respective season
green - how many & when new foreign clubs plan to join



There are not any news on potential expansion. Just in general it will be Asia (China, Japan, S.Korea) or Europe. Germany, GB, Switzerland were named as possible locations by Timchenko at SPIEF last week, he added: "we are not against Sweden, we are open to negotiations." It is top secret if newcomers will be classic clubs or brand new like Lev.

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06-05-2017, 06:19 AM
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The KHL adopted new strategic plan on May 24. The league had 29 teams in current season, two clubs were cut to have 27 teams next season. As you can see, three more clubs to be cut after 2017/18, the league will have 24 teams. Before 19/20 two more teams will be cut but two more foreign teams will replace them, so the league will keep at 24. The same will happen following season. Of course non-russian teams like Slovan, Riga etc can be cut too, but there is a general opinion that Russian teams will be excluded (because there is not so many good enough Russian players for so many R teams, some R teams dont have economical potential for future & the league needs new developed markets - selling TV rights)

There is a mechanism of the clubs rotation

red - how many teams will be cut
blue - how many teams will be in the KHL for respective season
green - how many & when new foreign clubs plan to join



There are not any news on potential expansion. Just in general it will be Asia (China, Japan, S.Korea) or Europe. Germany, GB, Switzerland were named as possible locations by Timchenko at SPIEF last week, he added: "we are not against Sweden, we are open to negotiations." It is top secret if newcomers will be classic clubs or brand new like Lev.
Thanks for your response.

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Leif R Carlsson stil think it's possible that his Crowns plays in KHL the 18-19 season, see:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportblade...ar-pa-khl-2018

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08-07-2017, 06:45 AM
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Leif R Carlsson stil think it's possible that his Crowns plays in KHL the 18-19 season, see:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportblade...ar-pa-khl-2018
This was even more interesting:

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– Putin har sagt att KHL måste vara självbärande inom sju år. Det vill säga marknadsekonomi i balans ska råda.
Translation: Putin has said that KHL must be self sufficient within 7 years. Meaning they will have to come by on market economy.

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This was even more interesting:



Translation: Putin has said that KHL must be self sufficient within 7 years. Meaning they will have to come by on market economy.
Thats too easy! 7 years? So Team A funded by Steel factory. Steel factory now sets up 1 fake TV station and buys TV rights in huge amounts. Factory also sets up lots of fake businesses and buys sponsorship at inflated prices!

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Thats too easy! 7 years? So Team A funded by Steel factory. Steel factory now sets up 1 fake TV station and buys TV rights in huge amounts. Factory also sets up lots of fake businesses and buys sponsorship at inflated prices!
Result: government seizes control of steel factory and funds for violating laws and regulations = profit!


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please no bs teams residing in non-hockey markets....

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Thats too easy! 7 years? So Team A funded by Steel factory. Steel factory now sets up 1 fake TV station and buys TV rights in huge amounts. Factory also sets up lots of fake businesses and buys sponsorship at inflated prices!
I would like to see an article where Putin said it.

As I know, Putin said just one thesis - professional sport must be able to make money, because a government will decrease the level of state funding of pro sport. And "saved" money will be used for amateur sport instead. But it does not mean the government will not fund professional sport anymore.

Btw, the KHL as league is self sufficient now, clubs are not.

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This was even more interesting:



Translation: Putin has said that KHL must be self sufficient within 7 years. Meaning they will have to come by on market economy.
If he said it and he was pointed to teams, i cant imagine this. It is not realistic in Europe.

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If he said it and he was pointed to teams, i cant imagine this. It is not realistic in Europe.
It would mean that the salaries have to come down a lot (by the 25-50% Rotenberg wants) and the ticket prices will have to go up while the sponsorship goes down to a "normal" level.

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You don't need to have a degree in economics to understand that KHL as a whole with all teams won't be self-sufficient in near future. Lower wages, increase ticket prices... LOL. Good luck with that. Russian people don't have enough money to keep this thing going - you always need some other sources to keep KHL at the level where it is now. As a self-sufficient league, KHL at best can be maybe as good as Czech league, not any better.

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You don't need to have a degree in economics to understand that KHL as a whole with all teams won't be self-sufficient in near future. Lower wages, increase ticket prices... LOL. Good luck with that. Russian people don't have enough money to keep this thing going - you always need some other sources to keep KHL at the level where it is now. As a self-sufficient league, KHL at best can be maybe as good as Czech league, not any better.
Jussi dreams that European hockey leagues, especially the KHL, to be as poor (players salaries) as possible & to give prospects to NHL clubs for free.

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You don't need to have a degree in economics to understand that KHL as a whole with all teams won't be self-sufficient in near future. Lower wages, increase ticket prices... LOL. Good luck with that. Russian people don't have enough money to keep this thing going - you always need some other sources to keep KHL at the level where it is now. As a self-sufficient league, KHL at best can be maybe as good as Czech league, not any better.
It is in every league in Europe. Not only KHL. Ice-hockey is a burning place for money. Its a hobby. Expensive hobby.

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It is in every league in Europe. Not only KHL. Ice-hockey is a burning place for money. Its a hobby. Expensive hobby.
Probably not so much in Sweden and Switzerland. Swedes now have the best tv contract in Europe that guarantees each team almost 5 million euros, much more than the teams player budgets.

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And if we read between the lines. The issue seems to be around Government funding of teams. I don't see why the government would care if the Magnikta steel plant continues to fund their team, or Servertal ect.

Plus the poorer teams seem to end up asking the local gov for money so maybe its an easy way to get rid of them for the master plan

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