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03-24-2017, 06:02 AM
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I don't think anyone needs to "excuse" the 1st overall team that won the Cup. We're just providing some context.
You are right, no one would make excuses or say that one or two players missing on a squad like the 84 Oilers would cause a massive collapse against an eventual 28-42-10 team.

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Gretzky wasn't in the lineup that night. It was the season of his 51 game point streak, but during the 6 games he missed after his injury.
Oh, wait.

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03-24-2017, 06:14 AM
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You are right, no one would make excuses or say that one or two players missing on a squad like the 84 Oilers would cause a massive collapse against an eventual 28-42-10 team.
You might be missing the point here. This game was 100% meaningless. Now, if it was a game for 1st place, or a playoff game, and they lost 11-0, we'd have to search for excuses. But we don't need excuses for a 1st-place team that won the Cup, now do we? Aberrations happen.

Having said that, it likely wouldn't have been 11-0 if Gretz and Kurri were in the line-up. Maybe 11-2.

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Yeah, a weird game. Imagine having tickets to that game and you figure that you as a Whalers fan are going to be happy just to see the Whalers keep it close. Wrong.

These things happen. Sometimes the eventual champs get blown out at some point in the season and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Somehow the 1977 Habs lost 7-2 in St. Louis one night. The 1967 Leafs lost 10 games in a row in the middle of the season. The 1980 Isles were a .500 team before the late season trade for Butch Goring. The 2009 Pens lost 6-1 to the Panthers in the game that Crosby fought Booth(?) right off of the face off late in the game. Was it the 2009 or 2008 Wings that lost 8-0 to Nashville on night?
Except we're not talking about one bad night, but a series of really, really bad nights. The 1977 Habs never had a futility streak resembling anything like the 1984 Oilers did during this stretch.

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The answer to the trivia question "What team gave the Gretzky-led Edmonton Oilers their worst defeat of all time?" is....the Hartford Whalers.

Did you know that? It's true.

On February 12th, 1984, the Hartford Whalers dominated Gretzky and the mighty Oilers 11-0. Their worst defeat (playoffs or regular season) of all time.

Pretty cool, eh?
Yep. Most oiler fans know it. Luckily it was not on TV. It was the moment the 'oilers suck in the afternoon'

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The answer to the trivia question "What team gave the Gretzky-led Edmonton Oilers their worst defeat of all time?" is....the Hartford Whalers.

Did you know that? It's true.

On February 12th, 1984, the Hartford Whalers dominated Gretzky and the mighty Oilers 11-0. Their worst defeat (playoffs or regular season) of all time.

Pretty cool, eh?
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You are right, no one would make excuses or say that one or two players missing on a squad like the 84 Oilers would cause a massive collapse against an eventual 28-42-10 team.



Oh, wait.
Maybe it isn't about excuses. Maybe it is about correcting the false information you started the thread with. Gretzky was not playing so it was not actually the "Gretzky-led Oilers" and "the Hartford Whalers dominated Gretzky and the mighty Oilers 11-0" is factually incorrect.

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I'm pretty sure the Miracle on Manchester and the 1986 Steve Smith goal loss to the Flames rank *well* above this Hartford blowout in terms of worst Oilers losses.

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god bless you Hartford.


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You might be missing the point here. This game was 100% meaningless. Now, if it was a game for 1st place, or a playoff game, and they lost 11-0, we'd have to search for excuses. But we don't need excuses for a 1st-place team that won the Cup, now do we? Aberrations happen.

Having said that, it likely wouldn't have been 11-0 if Gretz and Kurri were in the line-up. Maybe 11-2.
Agreed.

I just think it's a cool fact that they lost 11-0 to the Whalers. No excuses needed, really. The 84 Oilers are one of the all-time greats.

No need for people to be like "Yeah well Gretzky wasn't playing!" as if

I will then say "You are right, sir. I retract my entire thread. 11-0 without Gretzky and Kurri is perfectly understandable."

People need to chill.

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You are right, no one would make excuses or say that one or two players missing on a squad like the 84 Oilers would cause a massive collapse against an eventual 28-42-10 team.



Oh, wait.
Perhaps I just didn't give enough context, but I think you totally missed the point of what I was saying. I don't think calling it the worst defeat of the Gretzky-led Edmonton Oilers when Gretzky wasn't even playing in the game is a little misleading. As others have mentioned, I figured it would be about either the Miracle in Manchester or the Steve Smith own-team goal. That being said, it was a terrible stretch of games, highlighted by this defeat worse than any other.

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Maybe it isn't about excuses. Maybe it is about correcting the false information you started the thread with. Gretzky was not playing so it was not actually the "Gretzky-led Oilers" and "the Hartford Whalers dominated Gretzky and the mighty Oilers 11-0" is factually incorrect.
Thank you. That was exactly my point.

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Perhaps I just didn't give enough context, but I think you totally missed the point of what I was saying. I don't think calling it the worst defeat of the Gretzky-led Edmonton Oilers when Gretzky wasn't even playing in the game is a little misleading.
Gretzky stops being the leader of the team when he's out of the lineup?

I'd say the 1984 Oilers were led by Wayne Gretzky. No need to qualify it and say "except when he wasn't in the lineup." My statement just referred to the fact that the Oilers in 1984 were led by Wayne Gretzky in the general sense.

Is there really a need to nitpick everything? I know this is the internet, but still.

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Gretzky stops being the leader of the team when he's out of the lineup?

I'd say the 1984 Oilers were led by Wayne Gretzky. No need to qualify it and say "except when he wasn't in the lineup." My statement just referred to the fact that the Oilers in 1984 were led by Wayne Gretzky in the general sense.

Is there really a need to nitpick everything? I know this is the internet, but still.
Calling it Gretzky-led is a tad misleading.

As an example, if Al Montoya got blasted for a 10-0 loss, I wouldn't call it the worst loss by the Price-led Habs, even if Price was dressed.

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Calling it Gretzky-led is a tad misleading.

As an example, if Al Montoya got blasted for a 10-0 loss, I wouldn't call it the worst loss by the Price-led Habs, even if Price was dressed.
I guess...

It's still a pretty amazing score though, even with the Oilers missing a couple superstars.

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03-26-2017, 11:35 AM
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This note about Gretzky missing the game leads me wonder what was the most lopsided defeat the Oilers had with Gretzky in the lineup?

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This note about Gretzky missing the game leads me wonder what was the most lopsided defeat the Oilers had with Gretzky in the lineup?
These are all the games the Gretzky-Oilers lost by 6 goals or more:

WHA:
Dec. 3 1978 @ Edmonton: 7-0 loss to New England Whalers (Gretzky no points)

NHL:
Oct.24 1979 @ New York: 10-2 loss to New York Rangers (Gretzky no points)
Dec.22 1979 @ Los Angeles: 9-3 loss to L.A. Kings (Gretzky 2 goals, 1 assist)
Jan.17 1980 @ Boston: 7-1 loss to Boston Bruins (Gretzky no points)
Nov.13 1980 @ Philadelphia: 8-1 loss to Philadelphia Flyers (Gretzky no points)
Feb. 8 1981 @ Edmonton: 10-4 loss to Calgary Flames (Gretzky 1 goal, 2 assists)
Apr.16 1981 @ Long Island, NY: 8-2 loss to New York Islanders (Gretzky 1 goal)
Jan.14 1982 @ Philadelphia: 8-2 loss to Philadelphia Flyers (Gretzky 1 goal)
Jan. 16 1982 @ Toronto: 7-1 loss to Toronto Maple Leafs (Gretzky 1 goal)
Mar. 24 1984 @ Edmonton: 7-1 loss to St.Louis Blues (Gretzky 1 goal)
Oct. 23 1985 @ Winnipeg: 9-3 loss to Winnipeg Jets (Gretzky 1 assist)
Apr. 4 1986 @ Calgary: 9-3 loss to Calgary Flames (Gretzky 3 assists)

NOTE: On February 5th, 1984 (2nd game without Gretzky), they lost 9-2 in Washington. A week later, the Hartford 11-0 loss occurred.
NOTE 2: The only playoff game listed, above, is the April 16, 1981 loss to the Islanders.


The largest margin of victory in the Gretzky-Edmonton years is:
Nov. 8 1985 @ Edmonton: 13-0 win over Vancouver Canucks (Gretzky 4 assists)


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I was a little young at the time to remember this one, but I remember a few years later also laying an egg in Hartford (IIRC they put up 7 or 8) and I remember 2 things from the game - I hate the goal horn in Hartford and I hate Ray Ferraro's moustache.

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These are all the games the Gretzky-Oilers lost by 6 goals or more:

Oct.24 1979 @ New York: 10-2 loss to New York Rangers (Gretzky no points)
So Gretzky's greatest loss as an Oiler was his seventh career NHL game. Interesting to see it that way.

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WHA:
Nov. 3 1978 @ Edmonton: 7-0 loss to New England Whalers (Gretzky no points)
We got them in the WHA days as well! lol

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I was a little young at the time to remember this one, but I remember a few years later also laying an egg in Hartford (IIRC they put up 7 or 8) and I remember 2 things from the game - I hate the goal horn in Hartford and I hate Ray Ferraro's moustache.
Ray Ferraro's moustache should've had its own stat line. It was that epic.

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We got them in the WHA days as well! lol
That game (November 3, 1978) would have been Gretzky's Oilers debut, as he was traded the day before from the Racers.

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For what it's worth, the Whalers also played Edmonton pretty decently in the 2 other games that year. At Northlands, they lost twice but by a respectable 5-3 score.

Gretzky also got to 50 goals in fewer than 50 games against Hartford in one of those games:


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That game (November 3, 1978) would have been Gretzky's Oilers debut, as he was traded the day before from the Racers.
Sorry, I made a typo (now corrected, above). The 7-0 loss to New England was on December (not November) 3rd, 1978 -- it was Gretzky's 13th game with the WHA Oilers.

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Speaking of the Oilers at Hartford, here's a clip of their rematch at Hartford a year after 11-0 in 1985

This game was a more Edmonton-like on the scoreboard:



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Dec.22 1979 @ Los Angeles: 9-3 loss to L.A. Kings (Gretzky 2 goals, 1 assist)
Feb. 8 1981 @ Edmonton: 10-4 loss to Calgary Flames (Gretzky 1 goal, 2 assists)
Apr. 4 1986 @ Calgary: 9-3 loss to Calgary Flames (Gretzky 3 assists)
This sort of thing just makes me laugh. The Oilers as a team playing the kind of hockey that gets you beat 6-0, meanwhile Gretzky's out there with 3 points on his own.

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