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03-16-2008, 02:57 AM
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No, it's nothing like that. You just don't understand how that move works. Even if the goalie goes accross Koivu still has a huge opening to score. Which is why it works so well and so many players do that exact move.
while I agree it is a nice move, (and I haven't said anything bad about it.) I'm just saying he does it all the time and that it has become predictable.

That move is nice, but does it work all the time? no...

All I was saying is that a player's shootouts success was not enough (meanning that, alone) to say that he was a RELIABLE hockey player...

that move isn't like a glitch at nhl09 ... lol while its a nice deke, if goalies are prepared, his rate of success will drop a bit.

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03-16-2008, 02:59 AM
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while I agree it is a nice move, (and I haven't said anything bad about it.) I'm just saying he does it all the time and that it has become predictable.

That move is nice, but does it work all the time? no...

All I was saying is that a player's shootouts success was not enough (meanning that, alone) to say that he was a RELIABLE hockey player...

that move isn't like a glitch at nhl09 ... lol while its a nice deke, if goalies are prepared, his rate of success will drop a bit.
Are you saying Koivu isn't?

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03-16-2008, 03:04 AM
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Are you saying Koivu isn't?
I'm just saying..... is being a good shootout scorer means that you are a reliable hockey player with good hands? no.

am I saying koivu isn't reliable.... mmmmaahhh he hasn't been the most reliable this year... meaning that other players are doing better than him in almost every aspects of the game.

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03-16-2008, 03:05 AM
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Wow, since when has Koivu never been reliable?

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03-16-2008, 03:07 AM
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I've seen Koivu make some very nice passes the last little while, his linemates just haven't finished off the plays.

No one in their right mind would ever say Koivu isn't reliable...

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03-16-2008, 03:09 AM
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I'm just saying..... is being a good shootout scorer means that you are a reliable hockey player with good hands? no.

am I saying koivu isn't reliable.... mmmmaahhh he hasn't been the most reliable this year... meaning that other players are doing better than him in almost every aspects of the game.
How is Koivu not reliable? year after year he is putting up 60ish points and consistantly being one of our top penalty killers. The guy has really never had much to work with in Montreal on his wings and he has never complained about it. With the rapid development of Plekanec he was asked to take a slightly smaller role on the team and not once did he complain, he just did it.

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03-16-2008, 03:10 AM
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I'm just saying..... is being a good shootout scorer means that you are a reliable hockey player with good hands? no.

am I saying koivu isn't reliable.... mmmmaahhh he hasn't been the most reliable this year... meaning that other players are doing better than him in almost every aspects of the game.
So Koivu isn't reliable according to you, ok that's your opinion. Just wanna ask you if you think Kovalev is?

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03-16-2008, 03:10 AM
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I'm just saying..... is being a good shootout scorer means that you are a reliable hockey player with good hands? no.

am I saying koivu isn't reliable.... mmmmaahhh he hasn't been the most reliable this year... meaning that other players are doing better than him in almost every aspects of the game.
Hallelujah about time others are picking up the slack.

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03-16-2008, 03:11 AM
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I've seen Koivu make some very nice passes the last little while, his linemates just haven't finished off the plays.

No one in their right mind would ever say Koivu isn't reliable...
just read the post... a 2nd time if you need...

there is an underlined word in it... with an explanation right after ...

that's all I can do for you

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03-16-2008, 03:13 AM
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So Koivu isn't reliable according to you, ok that's your opinion. Just wanna ask you if you think Kovalev is?
can you read... ?

tell me kovalev isn't more reliable than koivu this year...

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03-16-2008, 03:15 AM
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Ok, I take it English isn't your strong suit or native tongue (neither is it mine)...all you had to do was say 'koivu has been playing a supporting role this year' and less feathers would have been ruffled.

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03-16-2008, 03:16 AM
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can you read... ?

tell me kovalev isn't more reliable than koivu this year...
So a player being reliable comes down 1 season for you?

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03-16-2008, 03:22 AM
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Mark streit has 52 points. (Koivu 53)

and this is hardly irrelevant, Streit has more points then Naslund, Modano, Elias..

And top players like Jagr, Nash, Hossa have 3-6 points more then Streit.
All bums then!

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03-16-2008, 03:23 AM
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So a player being reliable comes down 1 season for you?
this season... kovalev has been more reliable than koivu.

last year ... koivu has been more reliable than kovalev...


yeah a season... why? what's the big deal here... ?


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I've seen Koivu make some very nice passes the last little while, his linemates just haven't finished off the plays.

No one in their right mind would ever say Koivu isn't reliable...
Very few would notice, but his pass on Lats goal was genious. He clearly banked it on purpose.

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03-16-2008, 03:30 AM
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Can you define first line player please? Let's see...

Kostitsyn - 46pts 24th best scoring left winger
Kovalev - 74pts 4th best scoring right winger
Plekanec - 64pts 19th best scoring center

Maybe I am retarded but the first line is usually consisted of the best forwards of a team (somewhat). Considering that there are 30 teams, well it seems like our three first line forwards are in the top 30 in points at their respective positions. If that is not a real first line, well tell me what is?!
It's not you who is retarded.

Some people won't be satisfied unless their team's first line consists of
Wayne Gretzky at C
Mario Lemieux at RW
Alex Ovechkin at LW

and even then, they would complain because the line doesn't win enough faceoffs.


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this season... kovalev has been more reliable than koivu.

last year ... koivu has been more reliable than kovalev...


yeah a season... why? what's the big deal here... ?
maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word reliable

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03-16-2008, 03:49 AM
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It's very rare to observe a Koivu topic discussion who doesn't go downhill unfortunately.

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03-16-2008, 06:10 AM
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Its funny how people will whine and moan about Koivu not having the linemates, but those same people will point out time and time again that Ryder has had 2 30+ goal years. People need to make up their minds.

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03-16-2008, 08:34 AM
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Higgins, ryder, lats and s.kos are no more 3rd liners than koivu this year.

so if saku is a 3rd liner who is our second line center?

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I don't buy the argument that Koivu is forced to play with inexperienced or lesser wingers. He had his chance on the top line with Kovalev and he simply couldn't deliver as well as Pleks. Everybody has played with Koivu and just isn't a top line center. He honestly doesn't deserve to play on the top line.

I think the main problem is he is paid to be a top line center. He acts like he is the focal point of the team. If he accepted his role as the second line center and spent his energy trying to mentor the younger players instead of complaining, then he might increase his level of respect.
guess we wont be reading any of his post anymore on HF.


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03-16-2008, 09:02 AM
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so if saku is a 3rd liner who is our second line center?
Obviously, Grabovski, Lapierre, Begin or even Chipchura or Locke, assuming Smolinski is our 4th centreman.

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03-16-2008, 09:18 AM
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Like everybody else I like Koivu...but its been a tough year for him. With his cancer and all other injuries may have taken toll on his body early. Thought he looked all right on third line thou...less pressure on him...impressed with the way Grabs has came around...4 months ago I all but wrote him off. Grabs, Kost and Higgins has speed to burn...could be a good 2nd line

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It's very rare to observe a Koivu topic discussion who doesn't go downhill unfortunately.
Dont say that!

You'll give bad ideas to people reading this. This being said, i think Koivu should really learn hot to spea...oh never mind.

I'll sit down and shut up now.

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03-16-2008, 09:32 AM
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Okay... first of all, koivu was once labeled as our BEST player. as Our BEST player, he should have taken charge of the offense, which he did 3 or 4 (max) out of 12 years with the habs.

A REAL 1rst LINE? Last time I checked, Koivu-higgins-ryder was supposed to be our 1rst line this year... and didn't deliver... not only higgins, ryder... but also koivu.

Higgins, ryder, lats and s.kos are no more 3rd liners than koivu this year.

He's a PLAYMAKER ? well nice... his wingers should have an easy time getting plenty of chances... which is not the case. NO SHOTS ON GOAL vs senators... for his line.

You've seen his great hands in the shootouts? You mean that thing he does EVERY time? pretty nice! But ... I remember dagenais being a hero in shootout too ...

He's not a baddddd player... but he is not 1rst line material either....

you're judging Koivu using double standards...
you know, Tim taylor is a fourth liner, and he'S hurt since last year, but he's still captain

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03-16-2008, 10:23 AM
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Koivu always seems to make those he plays with better...last night Tender gets a goal on Saku's line, is it just me, or does it seem like everytime Tender and Koivu play together, Saku sets him up? If Tender can pot them, Saku definitely can set him up, this could be a combo that benefits Koivu,Tender, and Ryder...giving Koivu a winger with size, and ability to score...

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