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In Year Three - Rogers could finally cash in with HNIC

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04-18-2017, 09:47 AM
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Does anyone know why CBC is still being used for the HNIC platform and not a rogers channel?
When the deal was signed, Rogers agreed to have the first four years of HNiC continue to be broadcast on the CBC (it was recently extended to a fifth year). It's a basic package channel, and it allowed for continuity. And in the early going, you needed a road map to figure out which game was on where, so it was nice to have the CBC constant.

It's not like it's a bad thing for Rogers though. They get to keep all advertising revenue, and it maintains a load of goodwill by keeping an institutional product on a channel everyone is used to than putting it on some random Rogers channel.

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04-18-2017, 10:08 AM
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Wouldn't be surprised to see CBC buy back into the game and produce a few of their own games soon.

Seems alot more likely than Bell ever getting them again

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When the deal was signed, Rogers agreed to have the first four years of HNiC continue to be broadcast on the CBC (it was recently extended to a fifth year). It's a basic package channel, and it allowed for continuity. And in the early going, you needed a road map to figure out which game was on where, so it was nice to have the CBC constant.

It's not like it's a bad thing for Rogers though. They get to keep all advertising revenue, and it maintains a load of goodwill by keeping an institutional product on a channel everyone is used to than putting it on some random Rogers channel.
Hey i'm not complaining. Get to watch the playoffs on my bunny ears!

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Wouldn't be surprised to see CBC buy back into the game and produce a few of their own games soon.

Seems alot more likely than Bell ever getting them again
Nah. CBC is done for hockey. They've had to give up all the internal resources that would allow them to produce hockey games - the cameramen, the producers, hosts, audio - all of that.

Bell/TSN however, continues to produce hockey games. The have the Sens, Jets, and some Leafs games. They put on the World Juniors. When the time comes they could definitely bid again on a hockey package.

This, by the way, if why I think the league was short-sighted when they signed the Rogers deal. They took a lot of money now, but by cutting out CBC it ended them as a bidder in the future.

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Cable TV will be dead by the time the next contract comes around so not a big deal.

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I miss TSN game coverage of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

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Rogers is smart to keep the games rolling on CBC, afterall it's a free channel for them since they get all the ad money. Probably make a little more for the ads as well, CBC has a wider audience than any single cable channel can hope for.

As long as there isn't too much whining from cable customers it may never change. However if cable subscribers start voicing displeasure that they could be watching playoff games for free on CBC, not requiring a special cable sports package or even a cable subscription, things may change.

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Rogers is smart to keep the games rolling on CBC, afterall it's a free channel for them since they get all the ad money. Probably make a little more for the ads as well, CBC has a wider audience than any single cable channel can hope for.

As long as there isn't too much whining from cable customers it may never change. However if cable subscribers start voicing displeasure that they could be watching playoff games for free on CBC, not requiring a special cable sports package or even a cable subscription, things may change.
That's why Rogers throws some of these games on SN instead of CBC. They did it with the Sunday night Canadiens-Rangers game already, and also a few Saturday night Canadiens games in the last month. I think they did that with a Saturday night Leafs game too, not 100% sure.

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That's why Rogers throws some of these games on SN instead of CBC. They did it with the Sunday night Canadiens-Rangers game already, and also a few Saturday night Canadiens games in the last month. I think they did that with a Saturday night Leafs game too, not 100% sure.
This Saturday night they have the Oilers game on SN, and Sunday night the Leafs game is also on SN. CBC asked Rogers not to put games on their network for the first 4 Sundays of the playoffs so they can show their documentary series We Are Canada.

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That's why Rogers throws some of these games on SN instead of CBC. They did it with the Sunday night Canadiens-Rangers game already, and also a few Saturday night Canadiens games in the last month. I think they did that with a Saturday night Leafs game too, not 100% sure.
Never tried it with the Leafs

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With a weekend like this it a good thing you can't open any windows out of the Rogers Building... Rogers just lost the Habs, Leafs and Bruins in under 24 hours. I guess cashing in will have to wait another year.

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With a weekend like this it a good thing you can't open any windows out of the Rogers Building... Rogers just lost the Habs, Leafs and Bruins in under 24 hours. I guess cashing in will have to wait another year.
Well, they still have Ottawa and Edmonton along with what could be a dynamic Pens-Caps series in this round. They may still cash in, but not like they could have.

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Ottawa moving on to the second round is better for Rogers then Boston.

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Why is st louis vs nashville on cbc and the oilers game on sports net?

Doesnt make sense to me

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With a weekend like this it a good thing you can't open any windows out of the Rogers Building... Rogers just lost the Habs, Leafs and Bruins in under 24 hours. I guess cashing in will have to wait another year.
6 Leaf playoff games, Rogers probably made out alright. Every Leaf game would have been a new gold mine.

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The fact that Scott Moore is not talking about blowout ratings for this year's playoffs speaks volumes. Another thread stated that the Blue Jays playoffs did better on SN than the Leafs. I know the BJs are the only Canadian MLB team but, forever, the Leafs had existed on another, unattainable, level. It would seem to me that, with all the nonsense that was done to change HNIC, they may have killed the golden goose. Even Ron MacLean and more of Coach's Corner couldn't put Humpty together again. If so, it looks good on Rogers.

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Why is st louis vs nashville on cbc and the oilers game on sports net?

Doesnt make sense to me
Sportsnet (Rogers) owns the canadian rights and leases out to CBC. So it makes sense FOR THEM to put the big games on Sportsnet to grow the brand. I believe after 2019-2020 season HNIC will be shut-down or devalued.

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I believe after 2019-2020 season HNIC will be shut-down or devalued.
And perhaps, by the way they are operating, so will Sportsnet.

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The fact that Scott Moore is not talking about blowout ratings for this year's playoffs speaks volumes. Another thread stated that the Blue Jays playoffs did better on SN than the Leafs. I know the BJs are the only Canadian MLB team but, forever, the Leafs had existed on another, unattainable, level. It would seem to me that, with all the nonsense that was done to change HNIC, they may have killed the golden goose. Even Ron MacLean and more of Coach's Corner couldn't put Humpty together again. If so, it looks good on Rogers.
Considering the Leafs were on CBC and showed only 1 game on SN, somehow that's not hard to believe

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Cable TV will be dead by the time the next contract comes around so not a big deal.
That's based on? Can't be company financials because Rodgers and bell are at an all time high in that regard. Where are these cord cutters going to go? Oh that's right they will use bell and rogers internet to watch the shows they watched on cable.

Cable tv evolves.

The whole end of cable is such a stupid theory it's amazing how many people bring it up.

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That's based on? Can't be company financials because Rodgers and bell are at an all time high in that regard. Where are these cord cutters going to go? Oh that's right they will use bell and rogers internet to watch the shows they watched on cable.

Cable tv evolves.

The whole end of cable is such a stupid theory it's amazing how many people bring it up.
I don't consider the internet arm of Rogers the same as their cable tv arm. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogers internet business generates more money than their cable tv business. I would think their mobile cellular business generates more cash than both their cable and internet arms combined. I'd agree cable tv is dying.

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The current method of distributing programming via cable is (or will soon be) an anachronism. It just doesn't make sense as Internet access gets faster and becomes the de facto way of distributing video. The cable companies will still run their coax cable or fibre to everyone's homes but all it will provide is a fat Internet pipe and you will subscribe to programming like you subscribe to Netflix today. It might be bundled with the cable Internet and it probably won't be as cheap as Netflix but you'll probably be subscribing directly with the content producers (including Rogers and Bell). In the end it probably won't save you much money though, it will just be distributed differently. Kind of like if you had a time machine and went back to the 1970's and told people that long distance phone charges would be a thing of the past. They'd be thrilled, but they also wouldn't know that they would be spending the money on cell phones and a thing called Internet instead.

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That's based on? Can't be company financials because Rodgers and bell are at an all time high in that regard. Where are these cord cutters going to go? Oh that's right they will use bell and rogers internet to watch the shows they watched on cable.
Well Rogers & Bells financials don't actually break down the different margins on ISP vs Cable TV businesses so we don't know but one has to assume a TV subscription is more profitable than just an internet subscription because the ISP business is much more commodified and the CRTC has forced them to allow 3rd party ISP competitors to buy up their capacity wholesale and resell it which basically acts as a mechanism to keep Bell/Rogers pricing honest.

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Considering the Leafs were on CBC and showed only 1 game on SN, somehow that's not hard to believe
I respectfully disagree. That is a very bad number for the first Leaf playoff appearance in a long time. Rogers would be very disappointed.

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The fact that Scott Moore is not talking about blowout ratings for this year's playoffs speaks volumes.
Moore talks about it.

http://media.sportsnet.ca/2017/04/st...uper-saturday/
https://twitter.com/SportsnetPR/stat...15852199915521

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