HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The History of Hockey
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The History of Hockey Relive great moments in hockey history and discuss how the game has changed over time.

Top-40 Stanley Cup Playoff Performers - Voting Results

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-10-2017, 10:10 PM
  #26
Canadiens1958
Registered User
 
Canadiens1958's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 14,225
vCash: 500
Dynasty Teams

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle McMahon View Post
Richard and Beliveau made huge contributions outside of the 56-60 dynasty though. Plante to a lesser extent as well. The members of the 70's dynasty that are up for voting did comparably less outside of their dynasty years, especially Lafleur.
Part of the problem is the dynasty mentality. Players that contributed across dynasties or multiple teams - such as Red Kelly, Jacques Lemaire, Serge Savard, Frank Nighbor, Allan Stanley, are under appreciated.

Canadiens1958 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-10-2017, 11:37 PM
  #27
The Panther
Registered User
 
The Panther's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Country: Japan
Posts: 4,894
vCash: 500
Okay, I didn't vote on this, but I need to know who's the Einstein that voted Gretzky 9th...?

The Panther is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-11-2017, 12:18 AM
  #28
TheDevilMadeMe
Registered User
 
TheDevilMadeMe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Brooklyn
Country: United States
Posts: 45,456
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Panther View Post
Okay, I didn't vote on this, but I need to know who's the Einstein that voted Gretzky 9th...?
Same person who voted Roy 10th?

TheDevilMadeMe is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-11-2017, 12:57 AM
  #29
The Panther
Registered User
 
The Panther's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Country: Japan
Posts: 4,894
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe View Post
Same person who voted Roy 10th?
A dissenter, I guess.

I think it's well known around here that I think Roy's slightly over-rated. I wouldn't object to anyone voting him 10th on a list like this -- to put it another way, I think that opinion is at least defensible. But Gretzky at 9th...????



The Panther is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-11-2017, 01:10 AM
  #30
TheDevilMadeMe
Registered User
 
TheDevilMadeMe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Brooklyn
Country: United States
Posts: 45,456
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Panther View Post
A dissenter, I guess.

I think it's well known around here that I think Roy's slightly over-rated. I wouldn't object to anyone voting him 10th on a list like this -- to put it another way, I think that opinion is at least defensible. But Gretzky at 9th...????


Defensible if you don't think goalies belong on the list, I guess. I mean, talk of Roy being overrated in the regular season all you want (I'd disagree, but at least THAT opinion is defensible).

It's a shame that voters usually don't try to justify their votes after the full results are released.

TheDevilMadeMe is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-11-2017, 06:47 AM
  #31
MXD
Registered User
 
MXD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Hôlle
Posts: 32,812
vCash: 500
...Meanwhile, this is a somewhat small project compared to others, but is it the first time a given players ends up with 0 point in a round?

MXD is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-11-2017, 07:36 AM
  #32
quoipourquoi
Moderator
Goaltender
 
quoipourquoi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Hockeytown, MI
Country: United States
Posts: 6,092
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MXD View Post
...Meanwhile, this is a somewhat small project compared to others, but is it the first time a given players ends up with 0 point in a round?
Gennady Tsygankov in the final vote of the European project. However not all projects had ~15 names available and the option to omit a player.

quoipourquoi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-11-2017, 08:41 AM
  #33
danincanada
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,902
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MXD View Post
...Meanwhile, this is a somewhat small project compared to others, but is it the first time a given players ends up with 0 point in a round?
Overall Lidstrom was a better playoff performer than Sakic and they were contemporaries so it shouldn't be that difficult to see. He had more great runs, won twice as many Cups, and was a +61 as a shutdown defender while Sakic was a -2 as an offensive centre. It's not like Sakic didn't play for great teams during most of this playoff years either with a guy named Roy leading the way. Lidstrom was the Red Wings Patrick Roy because they didn't have a superstar goalie.


Last edited by Gardner McKay: 04-11-2017 at 08:43 AM. Reason: Yeah... No.
danincanada is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-11-2017, 11:34 AM
  #34
Bear of Bad News
Mod Supervisor
 
Bear of Bad News's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Windsor
Posts: 5,198
vCash: 663
Folks, we are colleagues.

Treat one another as colleagues if you wish to remain in the discussion.

Bear of Bad News is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-20-2017, 03:58 PM
  #35
2LeftSkates
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 907
vCash: 500
Mike Bossy's 17 goals three years in a row means zilch? Top 2 in goals per playoff game?
Nice list, not very realistic.

2LeftSkates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-20-2017, 04:05 PM
  #36
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
 
seventieslord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Regina, SK
Country: Canada
Posts: 30,299
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2LeftSkates View Post
Mike Bossy's 17 goals three years in a row means zilch? Top 2 in goals per playoff game?
Nice list, not very realistic.
There's more to being a good offensive forward than just scoring goals, there's more to being a good all-around forward than just scoring points, there are more positions than forward, and there are more decades than the 1980s.

seventieslord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-20-2017, 08:03 PM
  #37
Sentinel
Registered User
 
Sentinel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: New Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 5,500
vCash: 500
I seriously don't know what more could Bossy do in playoffs. Before 1980 the Isles were not beating the Canadians, and after 1983 they were not beating the Oilers. In fact, it's amazing players still have it in them to put on skates, having won four Cups in a row. I think he belongs in the Top 15. "80s goalscorers" or not.

Sentinel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-20-2017, 08:37 PM
  #38
Kyle McMahon
Registered User
 
Kyle McMahon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Evil Empire
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,825
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
I seriously don't know what more could Bossy do in playoffs. Before 1980 the Isles were not beating the Canadians, and after 1983 they were not beating the Oilers. In fact, it's amazing players still have it in them to put on skates, having won four Cups in a row. I think he belongs in the Top 15. "80s goalscorers" or not.
Well only 10 names have been selected, so he might be in the top 15. Every player already on the list won a minimum of 4 Cups, so it's not like less accomplished players have been listed before Bossy.

Kyle McMahon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-21-2017, 01:54 PM
  #39
MXD
Registered User
 
MXD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Hôlle
Posts: 32,812
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
I seriously don't know what more could Bossy do in playoffs. Before 1980 the Isles were not beating the Canadians, and after 1983 they were not beating the Oilers. In fact, it's amazing players still have it in them to put on skates, having won four Cups in a row. I think he belongs in the Top 15. "80s goalscorers" or not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle McMahon View Post
Well only 10 names have been selected, so he might be in the top 15. Every player already on the list won a minimum of 4 Cups, so it's not like less accomplished players have been listed before Bossy.
Well...

Bossy didn't play THAT many games in the playoffs all things considered, and his Pre and Post Islanders dynasty resume is really nothing special. He certainly wasn't going in on top of, say, his teammate Potvin and Mark Messier, let alone Maurice Richard or Wayne Gretzky,

Plus, compared to someone like Guy Lafleur, the scoring gap with his best teammate is quite similar (I don't want to go on a argument between Lafleur and Bossy as to their teammates as a whole, nor do I want to make an argument on Trottier either).

And I'm not quite sure he's better than other players who didn't play a ton of playoff games either (Mario Lemieux comes to mind).

That's mostly the reasons why he's not been voted in yet, as opposed to reasons why he WON'T be voted in this round... I think he could go either way at this point, but honestly, he isn't looking significantly better than Bernard Geoffrion... and that probably spell trouble for Top-15.

MXD is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:18 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2017 All Rights Reserved.