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05-02-2004, 11:13 AM
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Stafford's medical status

Anybody have anupdate on Stafford's condition?

In the zany world of hockey, a player's suspension is largely determined by how badly hurt his victim is...

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Anybody have anupdate on Stafford's condition?

In the zany world of hockey, a player's suspension is largely determined by how badly hurt his victim is...
He was out of the hospital yesterday ALREADY... The guy had a grade 3 concussion (small one), he lost teeths (like every professionnal players), but I don't know if he has other injuries.

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Actually, he was released on Friday night.

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He was out of the hospital yesterday ALREADY... The guy had a grade 3 concussion (small one), he lost teeths (like every professionnal players), but I don't know if he has other injuries.
There's a link...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=82347

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The guy had a grade 3 concussion (small one)
Actually, grade 3 concussions are the most severe...

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Grade 3 concussion, severe facial lacerations and was released from hospital and back in cleveland. A guy on the San Jose board also said that he tried to convince the team to let him play tonight, which I find hard to believe, but the team of coarse wouldn't let him.

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Grade 3 concussion, severe facial lacerations and was released from hospital and back in cleveland. A guy on the San Jose board also said that he tried to convince the team to let him play tonight, which I find hard to believe, but the team of coarse wouldn't let him.
Glad too see its not as serious as I thought... The guy's career will not be ended because of that shot....

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Glad too see its not as serious as I thought... The guy's career will not be ended because of that shot....
agreed his career will not be ended but he has some serious injury because of that Perez will get like 20-25 games of suspension !

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agreed his career will not be ended but he has some serious injury because of that Perez will get like 20-25 games of suspension !
Well because the injuries are less serious than everybody thought, he will get a smaller suspension in my opinion... its shouldn't work like that... but hey! its American Hockey!

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agreed his career will not be ended but he has some serious injury because of that Perez will get like 20-25 games of suspension !
I think Perez is gonna get a suspension for the rest of the playoffs... and he deserve it... however i think he'll be able to play from the beginning of next season...

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Good news, I hope he'll be ok.

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Something tells me it'll be the rest of the playoffs + 25 games next year.

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I think Perez is gonna get a suspension for the rest of the playoffs... and he deserve it... however i think he'll be able to play from the beginning of next season...
That wouldn't be enough to determine until after the Cleveland series. 2 games would serve no purpose.

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That wouldn't be enough to determine until after the Cleveland series. 2 games would serve no purpose.
You're right, it'll probably be a stipulation regarding the outcome of the series. If they were to be eliminated then they would add onto the following season's suspension.

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A guy on the San Jose board also said that he tried to convince the team to let him play tonight, which I find hard to believe, but the team of coarse wouldn't let him.
Once a concusion is reported to the league a player cannot play for a week. So highly doubt he asked to play or even if the team would consider it.

Plus even if he was allowed would he be coming back with the right intentions? Especially if say Hamilton is winning by a large margain in the 3rd period? I don't think so, actually I look at this game to be quite dirty with those two out of line up anyway.

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Actually, grade 3 concussions are the most severe...
You are right!

Taken from http://www.fpnotebook.com/SPO39.htm

Grading
Grade 1 Concussion
Confusion
Concussion symptoms resolve within 15 minutes
No Loss of Consciousness
Grade 2 Concussion
Confusion
Concussion symptoms persist beyond 15 minutes
No Loss of Consciousness
Grade 3 Concussion
Confusion
Concussion symptoms persist beyond 15 minutes
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Question. If Alex goes for the remainder of the playoffs, and say an additional 15 games for next regular season if the team is eliminated in the first 2 rounds, would it be possible for Alex to play on the nhl club while under suspension?

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Question. If Alex goes for the remainder of the playoffs, and say an additional 15 games for next regular season if the team is eliminated in the first 2 rounds, would it be possible for Alex to play on the nhl club while under suspension?
Bob McKenzie has said that any suspension made by the AHL would not effect his status of playing in the NHL, unless the NHL honours the AHL's suspension. Both governing bodies do not effect each other in matters of suspension.

So he could play in Montreal, but with the class of this organization I think they would honour the suspension themselves.

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Bob McKenzie has said that any suspension made by the AHL would not effect his status of playing in the NHL, unless the NHL honours the AHL's suspension. Both governing bodies do not effect each other in matters of suspension.

So he could play in Montreal, but with the class of this organization I think they would honour the suspension themselves.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that the NHL could suspend Perezhogin from the NHL for something he did in the AHL.

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Good thing that he is already out of the hospital. Hope that this won't affect him mid to long term.

As for Perezhogin, when I saw the shot (and the news pass it SO OFTEN... do they want this violence to continue ? Seems so...), I was utterly shocked... But at the same time, as Bob McKenzie said, it is explainable (although not excusable) as Stafford clearly swung his stick at the head of Perez...

Perez should get suspended for the remainder of the playoffs, plus a couple of game next season, like 15-20... Even though I don't really want him suspended, he has to 'pay' for what he did. He has to learn control, and that's probably what he will do the next few weeks, or months... hopefully

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A similar incident in the NHL about 50 years ago

It happened on November 12 1953 and it involved Bernard "Boum Boum" Geoffrion of the Montreal Canadiens and Ron Murphy of the New York Rangers.

excerpt from The Life and Times of Bernard Geoffrion by Stan Fishler

"There was no Christmas spirit around Madison Square Garden on that night. We had been feuding on and off with the Rangers ever since I started playing for the Canadiens and tempers seemed to be building as this season progressed. Not surprisingly this was a mean game and growing meaner in the second period as the Rangers took a 2-0 lead. There was a scramble along the right boards that seemed like an ordinary high-sticking duel. Ranger defenseman Bob Crystal and Paul Masnick, who was playing on my line that night, began the scuffle. Another New York defenseman big Leo Reise moved in to help and then I came to help Paul.

The fuss would have ended right then and there except that Ron Murphy, a 21-year-old Ranger right winger, butted in and began massaging my head with his stick. I dropped my stick figuring he wanted to fight with his fists. Instead he speared me. My blood was boiling. I roared at him, “If you want to fight drop your stick!” Instead he whacked me on the head and I could feel the blood running down my face. That’s when I flipped out. I picked up my stick and fenced for a minute. Murphy backtracked to center ice and now I was even madder. I lost it. I drew my stick back like a baseball bat and swung at his head. He ducked just in time and I missed but Murphy was frozen with fear. When I swung the second time just as hard as the first, I connected. My stick caught him flush on the jaw and he went down like he had been shot. A pool of blood surrounded his head and the entire rink went silent. I thought I had killed the guy!

Once I saw Murphy on the ice I began to feel a little guilty. After all I could have killed him. But I was bleeding as well - I had a four-inch gash on the side of my head - but I stood my ground in case any of the Rangers went after me. Meantime the Rangers trainer Frank Paice and the club doctor Vincent Nardiello came out to take care of Murphy. They eventually got him back to consciousness and carried him off to the hospital.

The referee Red Storey gave us both match penalties and as I moved toward our dressing room a fan tossed a bottle at me. Now it was getting hairy. At the old Madison Square Garden the visiting benches were surrounded by fans with no protection. When I started off the ice a spectator took a punch at me and others charged our bench. My teammates raised their sticks like fixed bayonets and kept them at bay until I could get to the passageway that led to our dressing room. Meanwhile the public address announcer kept blaring that Murphy was in critical condition. He was. He had a fractured jaw and a concussion. I had two headaches: one from the bop I had taken on my head and the other from thinking about what Clarence Campbell would do to me now.

Campbell took his time conducting the investigation. He talked to Red Storey and the linesmen. He talked to eyewitnesses and he watched movies of the game. His decision was that I was suspended for eight games involving the Canadiens and Rangers. Murphy was given a five-game suspension beginning from the date of the incident, December 20. My suspension was to officially begin with the December 27 game between our clubs in Montreal. Campbell claimed that he was worried that too many players were using their sticks as “lethal weapons” and wanted to put an end to the stick swinging."


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our sympathies to stafford... i wish him a speedy recovery, and no lasting damage from the incident.

at the same time, you've got to wonder how the leagues are going to get this kind of **** under control? something in the way the game is called is failing if two guys can get SO angry that they attempt to play tee-ball with the other guys head. Is there a way that calls can be made differently so that this type of incident doesn't occur?

personally, if both players swing sticks, both should be suspended at least as long as injuries keep the other player out of the game, then league mandated suspensions should take hold. I'd bet Perezhogin gets some serious legal trouble from this, and that he is out for 15-25games in the AHL/NHL next year.

that being said, do you penalize one guy less because he swung and missed??

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