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05-13-2017, 11:18 AM
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I'd love this, especially if they try to integrate line matching and last change into the game.

A big problem with EA games is the politics of overalls. Because of how overalls are determined, a lot of offensive players who are mediocre at best physically and defensively get huge boosts in those categories. To avoid this and allow players to be more realistically tweaked, they should just split up overalls into offensive overall and defensive overall.

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It's called consistency 0.
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I'd love this, especially if they try to integrate line matching and last change into the game.

A big problem with EA games is the politics of overalls. Because of how overalls are determined, a lot of offensive players who are mediocre at best physically and defensively get huge boosts in those categories. To avoid this and allow players to be more realistically tweaked, they should just split up overalls into offensive overall and defensive overall.
It's not that difficult to be honest. The way they calculated overalls back in NHL 12 and previous editions did just this. The overall formula heavily weighted the attributes related to a player's role. So you could have a sniper who was rated 90 overall with terrible defensive attributes.

The only thing wrong with the previous way overall was calculated was in how much weight they attributed to the poise attribute.

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It's not that difficult to be honest. The way they calculated overalls back in NHL 12 and previous editions did just this. The overall formula heavily weighted the attributes related to a player's role. So you could have a sniper who was rated 90 overall with terrible defensive attributes.

The only thing wrong with the previous way overall was calculated was in how much weight they attributed to the poise attribute.
Poise is just "clutch" right? How good they are in the playoffs?

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Andrighetto (82) - MacKinnon (88) - Rantanen (85)
Landeskog (86) - Duchene (86) - Compher (82)
Nieto (80) - Jost (79) - Comeau (79)
Grimaldi (77) - Soderberg (81) - Grigorenko (80)

Barberio (80) - Johnson (87)
Zadorov (82) - Barrie (86)
Beauchemin (79) - Lindholm (77)

Varlamov (85)
Pickard (83)

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05-15-2017, 05:11 PM
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Jets:

Ehlers(89) Scheifele(92) Laine(90)
Perrault(85) Little(86) Wheeler(91)
Petan(80) Lowry(83) Armia(82)
Thorbern(73) Copp(81) Tanev(78)


Morrisey(84) Trouba(90)
Enstrom(81) Byfuglien(87)
Stuart(76) Myers(84 or 86 with a very low injury tolerance)

Hellebuyck(81)
Hutchinson(77)

Top 5 Prospect Pool:

- Player Ovr Tier

- Connor(81) Elite, M
- Roslovic(77) Top 6, H
- Comrie(75) Elite, L
- Stanley(72) Top 4, H
- Harkins(73) Top 9, H

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05-15-2017, 05:27 PM
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Leafs:

Hyman(80) Matthews(90) Nylander(86)
Van Reimsdyk(87) Bozak(85) Marner(89)
Komarov(81) Kadri(86) Brown(77)
Martin(78) Boyle(79) Smith(76)

Rielly(87) Carrick(81)
Gardiner(87) Zaitsev(84)
Hunwick(82) Polak(81)

Anderson(89)
McElhinney(79)

Top 5 Prospects:

Player Ovr Tier

Kapanen(81) Elite, L
Nielsen(78) Top 4, M
Brooks(72) Top 6, H
Grundstrom(69) Top 6, L
Bracco(66) Top 9, M

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Jets:

Ehlers(89) Scheifele(91) Laine(90)
Perrault(84) Little(86) Wheeler(89)
Petan(80) Lowry(84) Armia(82)
Thorbern(79) Copp(81) Tanev(79)


Morrisey(83) Trouba(88)
Enstrom(83) Byfuglien(88)
Stuart(81) Myers(85)

Hellebuyck(83)
Hutchinson(80)

Top 5 Prospect Pool:

- Player Ovr Tier

- Connor(81) Elite low
- Roslovic(78) Top 6 med
- Comrie(75) Starter low
- Stanley(72) Top 6 med
- Harkins(74) Top 9, Med
Here's mine for the Jets based on how I think EA will rank them.

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05-15-2017, 06:27 PM
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Leafs:

Hyman(82) Matthews(91) Nylander(87)
Van Reimsdyk(87) Bozak(85) Marner(88)
Komarov(83) Kadri(87) Brown(83)
Martin(81) Boyle(83) Smith(79)

Rielly(87) Carrick(82)
Gardiner(87) Zaitsev(84)
Hunwick(81) Polak(82)

Anderson(88)
McElhinney(79)

Top 5 Prospects:

Player Ovr Tier

Kapanen(82) Top 6 med
Nielsen(78) Top 4 low
Brooks(70) Top 9 low
Grundstrom(71) Top 9 med
Bracco(66) Top 9 low
Mine for the Leafs, again, how I think EA will rate them.

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Gaudreau(90)-Monahan(88)-Ferland(82)
Tkachuk(85)-Backlund(85)-Frolik(84)
Versteeg(82)-Bennett(84)-Lazar(81)
Bouma(80)-Stajan(80)-Brouwer(82)
F.Hamilton(77)

Gio(89)-Hamilton(88)
Brodie(88)-Stone(84)
Bartkowski(79)-Engelland(80)
Wideman(81)

Elliot(84)-Johnson(83)
I'm bored so I'm doing a bunch of these. Sorry guys lol, ranked how EA would rank them

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If it's like this, I'll be stoked. We've had little to no separation between stars and 4th liners for way too long.

Montreal Canadiens

Max Pacioretty (86) - Alex Galchenyuk (85) - Alexander Radulov (87)
Artturi Lehkonen (80) - Tomas Plekanec (80) - Brendan Gallagher (82)
Paul Byron (79) - Phil Danault (79) - Andrew Shaw (79)
Dwight King (75) - Torrey Mitchell (76) - Steve Ott (70)

Brian Flynn (72)
Andreas Martinsen (69)

Andrei Markov (84) - Shea Weber (89)
Brandon Davidson (77) - Jeff Petry (82)
Alexei Emelin (79) - Nathan Beaulieu (79)

Jordie Benn (79)
Nikita Nesterov (74)

Carey Price (92)
Al Montoya (76)

With the new ratings (How I believe it should be)

Canadiens have 1 franchise player (Carey Price)

Four 1st line/pair players (Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Radulov, Weber)

Five 2nd line/pair players (Markov, Petry, Plekanec, Gallagher, Lehkonen)

Nine bottom 6 caliber players (Danault, Shaw, Byron, Mitchell, Benn, Beaulieu, Emelin, Davidson, Montoya)

Four fringe NHL players (Ott, Martinsen, King, Flynn, Nesterov)

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05-19-2017, 06:23 AM
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Some Finns, how it should be:

Rinne: 91-92
Laine 90 (shot, hand eye and playmaking values so high they boost him to 90)
Aho 89 (strenghts in pass, skating, speed, agility, strenght, both awareness, solid shot)
Barkov: 89 (Yes, aho seems to already be on Barkov level overall)
Granlund: 88-89 (70 point season)
Koivu: 88 (his two way is great, +27 last season, lots of points, PK key role)
Ristolainen: 88
Armia: 86 (deserves a huge raise, 85 at least)
Filppula: 86
Rantanen 86
Vatanen: 86

Not listing under 86

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05-19-2017, 12:57 PM
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Some Finns, how it should be:

Rinne: 91-92
Laine 90 (shot, hand eye and playmaking values so high they boost him to 90)
Aho 89 (strenghts in pass, skating, speed, agility, strenght, both awareness, solid shot)
Barkov: 89 (Yes, aho seems to already be on Barkov level overall)
Granlund: 88-89 (70 point season)
Koivu: 88 (his two way is great, +27 last season, lots of points, PK key role)
Ristolainen: 88
Armia: 86 (deserves a huge raise, 85 at least)
Filppula: 86
Rantanen 86
Vatanen: 86

Not listing under 86
Pushing it whit these but other than that I agree.

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I'd love this, especially if they try to integrate line matching and last change into the game.

A big problem with EA games is the politics of overalls. Because of how overalls are determined, a lot of offensive players who are mediocre at best physically and defensively get huge boosts in those categories. To avoid this and allow players to be more realistically tweaked, they should just split up overalls into offensive overall and defensive overall.
A finnish NHL youtuber Remo Christian found out that after 93 overall on a stat, it doesn't change the overall. So if you have a guy with 93 in all categories It's not going to make a difference to the rating if you lift those. 93-99 is all the same calculating a rating. That's why they need to bump for example Kane's rating with a ridiculously good def. awareness. It's very stupid and the devs were surprised when he showed it to them

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No one has taken a stab at the Washington Capitals yet . I'm basing this on who I hope we re-sign during the off-season.

Ovechkin 89 - Backstrom 92 - Oshie 88
Johansen 88 - Kuznetsov 88 - Burakovsky 84
Vrana 78 - Eller 82 - Wilson 82
Winnik 81 - Beagle 80 - Connolly 80

Orlov 85 - Niskanen 88
Schmidt 83 - Carlson 86
Bowey 78 - Shattenkirk 85

Scratched: Orpik 80, Barber 78, Stephenson/Galiev 77

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Some Finns, how it should be:

Rinne: 91-92
Laine 90 (shot, hand eye and playmaking values so high they boost him to 90)
Aho 89 (strenghts in pass, skating, speed, agility, strenght, both awareness, solid shot)
Barkov: 89 (Yes, aho seems to already be on Barkov level overall)
Granlund: 88-89 (70 point season)
Koivu: 88 (his two way is great, +27 last season, lots of points, PK key role)
Ristolainen: 88
Armia: 86 (deserves a huge raise, 85 at least)
Filppula: 86
Rantanen 86
Vatanen: 86

Not listing under 86
Very questionable list, Aho as good as Barkov? Rinne 91-92??? Good playoffs but that's about it, Filp+Armia should not be 86's. Homer bias very strong here

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Very questionable list, Aho as good as Barkov? Rinne 91-92??? Good playoffs but that's about it, Filp+Armia should not be 86's. Homer bias very strong here
Disagree, zero bias.

You just seem not to know aho at all as a player. Common mistake to underrate him if you dont really follow at all. And if rinne is notthe 90 goalie wow, hes been stellar for 10 years.

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Guys, that new rating scale is bullcrap, because that's what they're using for HUT!

My thread is on the real ratings, NOT THE HUT RATINGS!

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Disagree, zero bias.

You just seem not to know aho at all as a player. Common mistake to underrate him if you dont really follow at all. And if rinne is notthe 90 goalie wow, hes been stellar for 10 years.
Actually, the Canes are one of the only teams I closely follow after my Rangers due to my favorite non Ranger being Jeff Skinner. I watch a lot of Canes games and I can say that he wouldn't be an 89 yet compared to other players, he's especially not as good as Barkov, not even in the same tier

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Disagree, zero bias.

You just seem not to know aho at all as a player. Common mistake to underrate him if you dont really follow at all. And if rinne is notthe 90 goalie wow, hes been stellar for 10 years.
Saying you have no bias when talking about yourself is just kind of biased in itself.

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Saying you have no bias when talking about yourself is just kind of biased in itself.
Calling me bias could be done just because anti-aho bias itself, too. Calling any one who calls aho that great biased, because you're biased against him. I think you're biased too. Bias bias bias. ****ing bias all over. Get over it, that is how I value this player and I respect that you think differently.

And Aho not in same tier than barkov.. bs. He's going to be better than Barkov in next season or one after it, but as right now, he is equaling him already - Specially on EA logics, in real life it's way more sophisticated when you value player than one number. This is how I see it. It's not bias for Aho, both are finns ffs and Im full root Savo, not Oulu. And for the record, no I'm not only one seeing it. It took Barkov way longer to get on Level that Aho is now.


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Gaudreau(89)-Monahan(88)-Ferland(82)
Tkachuk(85)-Backlund(85)-Frolik(84)
Versteeg(83)-Bennett(82)-Chiasson(81)
Bouma(80)-Stajan(81)-Brouwer(82)
F.Hamilton(78), Lazar(80)

Giordano(89)-D.Hamilton(88)
Brodie(88)-Stone(84)
Bartkowski(78)-Engelland(79)
Wideman(78)

Elliott(83)
Johnson(82)

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They'll all be 80-90 with no real separation between 4th line and 1st.

Then they'll gradually release a 99 overall card of almost every player in the league in HUT. Trashing two modes at once.

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How I view they will do nashville this year.

Forsberg (89) - Johansen (90) - Arvidsson (87)
Fiala (84) - Jarnkrok (83) - Neal (86)
Wilson (85) - Fisher (83) - Watson (82)
McLeod (79) - Sissons (81) - Smith (84)
x: Parenteau (80), Zolnierczyk (79), Aberg (80)

Josi (92) - Ellis (88)
Ekholm (88) - Subban (92)
Irwin (82) - Weber (81)
x: Bitetto (80)

Rinne (89)
Saros (82)

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Canucks EA Ratings

D.Sedin (86) H.Sedin (86) Goldobin (80)
Baerstchi (83) Horvat (85) Boeser (80)
Granlund (82) Sutter (83) Eriksson (84)
Boucher (80) Gaunce (78) Dorsett (80)

Edler (87) Stetcher (83)
Hutton (84) Tanev (88)
Sbisa (81) Gudbranson (83)

Miller (85)
Markstrom (84)

What it should be

D.Sedin (86) H.Sedin (86) Goldobin (79)
Baerstchi (83) Horvat (85) Boeser (80)
Granlund (81) Sutter (82) Erkisson (83)
Boucher (77) Gaunce (75) Dorsett (78)

Edler (86) Stetcher (82)
Hutton (82) Tanev (88)
Sbisa (78) Gudbranson (80)

Miller (83)
Markstrom (83)

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